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[Sarah1281]

And it also bugged me how just about any dialogue choices you choose with him when he is drunk result in an approval loss. First off, he ends most of his incoherent drunken monologues by passing out, so would he even remember what we're talking about? And second, why is he so touchy when it comes to approval hits? You try and joke with him and its like "Oghren disapproves -5". Really?

Isn't that the point? You gave him a purpose again in Origins but once the Blight ended and everyone went their own seperate ways that purpose disappeared. He tried to settle down with Felsi and start again but he just couldn't do it and ended up abandoning her and your namesake. He's sick of being mocked, his life is falling apart again despite the second chance he was given, and he just watns to be taken seriously.

[Galagraphia]

My biggest disappointments were Wynne and Leliana. At first I liked them. But then Leliana started to be really annoying after I told her that I love shoes (Why not? Mages love good outfit!) and she somehow desided that in Ferelden "I love shoes" means "I love you! Marry me!" And after that she started making scenes "OMG, you love Alistair! How could you tell me all that words about you and me together-forever?!!!"



And Wynne... I really loved her until the Landsmeet where I desided to spare Loghain because he made puppy face. Then Anora asked for Alistair's head and I said: "OK, let's be evil today" - and executed my boy. And Wynne who was always acting like his mother said nothing! I was shocked! I was expecting my companions to say something, to start a fight, but they silently agreed! Wynne died for me that moment. Really. She attacks if you ****** into some antient urn full of dust and says OK if you kill her favourite bastard prince! I've lost my faith in her.



And of course I hate Loghain. Because he makes puppy face 'spare me plz' and then acts like a complete bastard: 'I'm a hero, I'm 100% right, I don't regret anything, you're a fool, go play in your sandbox, kid!' He dares to be so proud of himself after he screwed up in everything! And he tries to steal my doggy's love with his old and smelly cheese! That's just intolerable!

[Brockololly]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And it also bugged me how just about any dialogue choices you choose with him when he is drunk result in an approval loss. First off, he ends most of his incoherent drunken monologues by passing out, so would he even remember what we're talking about? And second, why is he so touchy when it comes to approval hits? You try and joke with him and its like "Oghren disapproves -5". Really?

Isn't that the point? You gave him a purpose again in Origins but once the Blight ended and everyone went their own seperate ways that purpose disappeared. He tried to settle down with Felsi and start again but he just couldn't do it and ended up abandoning her and your namesake. He's sick of being mocked, his life is falling apart again despite the second chance he was given, and he just watns to be taken seriously.

Its been a while since I've played Awakening, but I just seem to recall that almost any dialogue choice I'd try with Oghren often gave me a disapproval. There was no pleasing the guy. And even when trying the joking responses, I don't know how serious you can take a guy when he's a walking brewery that only talks about fart jokes and sexxing up any female party member.  Its not like the joking responses were grave insults to his manhood- hell, the guy practically blacks out at the end of every conversation and you're supposed to be taking him seriously?

I get that his life was falling apart again and that he sought the Wardens as a means to escape it all, but nothing about his character in Awakening made me even want to help him. And even if I did, the bugs with his quest and approval kill any chance of that! Buggy games make me sad:(

[Sarah1281]

Brockololly wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And it also bugged me how just about any dialogue choices you choose with him when he is drunk result in an approval loss. First off, he ends most of his incoherent drunken monologues by passing out, so would he even remember what we're talking about? And second, why is he so touchy when it comes to approval hits? You try and joke with him and its like "Oghren disapproves -5". Really?

Isn't that the point? You gave him a purpose again in Origins but once the Blight ended and everyone went their own seperate ways that purpose disappeared. He tried to settle down with Felsi and start again but he just couldn't do it and ended up abandoning her and your namesake. He's sick of being mocked, his life is falling apart again despite the second chance he was given, and he just watns to be taken seriously.

Its been a while since I've played Awakening, but I just seem to recall that almost any dialogue choice I'd try with Oghren often gave me a disapproval. There was no pleasing the guy. And even when trying the joking responses, I don't know how serious you can take a guy when he's a walking brewery that only talks about fart jokes and sexxing up any female party member.  Its not like the joking responses were grave insults to his manhood- hell, the guy practically blacks out at the end of every conversation and you're supposed to be taking him seriously?

I get that his life was falling apart again and that he sought the Wardens as a means to escape it all, but nothing about his character in Awakening made me even want to help him. And even if I did, the bugs with his quest and approval kill any chance of that! Buggy games make me sad:(

 I know it's really hard to take him seriously and in the first game it was more fun to joke around with him but he's going to get u pset about it and lose you approval. I had to save and reload a few times talking to him to figure out how to get his approval high enough and if you're really looking to get his quest then choose all the supportive options even if you'd rather try to joke around because you know he won't handle it well.

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And it also bugged me how just about any dialogue choices you choose with him when he is drunk result in an approval loss. First off, he ends most of his incoherent drunken monologues by passing out, so would he even remember what we're talking about? And second, why is he so touchy when it comes to approval hits? You try and joke with him and its like "Oghren disapproves -5". Really?

Isn't that the point? You gave him a purpose again in Origins but once the Blight ended and everyone went their own seperate ways that purpose disappeared. He tried to settle down with Felsi and start again but he just couldn't do it and ended up abandoning her and your namesake. He's sick of being mocked, his life is falling apart again despite the second chance he was given, and he just watns to be taken seriously.

Its been a while since I've played Awakening, but I just seem to recall that almost any dialogue choice I'd try with Oghren often gave me a disapproval. There was no pleasing the guy. And even when trying the joking responses, I don't know how serious you can take a guy when he's a walking brewery that only talks about fart jokes and sexxing up any female party member.  Its not like the joking responses were grave insults to his manhood- hell, the guy practically blacks out at the end of every conversation and you're supposed to be taking him seriously?

I get that his life was falling apart again and that he sought the Wardens as a means to escape it all, but nothing about his character in Awakening made me even want to help him. And even if I did, the bugs with his quest and approval kill any chance of that! Buggy games make me sad:(

'Luckily' I didn't have that problem as all my companions went up to 100 everytime I gave them a gift. I think the Dwarf maxxed his loyalty three times over when I gave him a pony.

[Xandurpein]

Galagraphia wrote...

And Wynne... I really loved her until the Landsmeet where I desided to spare Loghain because he made puppy face. Then Anora asked for Alistair's head and I said: "OK, let's be evil today" - and executed my boy. And Wynne who was always acting like his mother said nothing! I was shocked! I was expecting my companions to say something, to start a fight, but they silently agreed! Wynne died for me that moment. Really. She attacks if you ****** into some antient urn full of dust and says OK if you kill her favourite bastard prince! I've lost my faith in her.

Actually, I have to agree with you. I can see planety of reasons for a player to kill or to spare Loghain. But I really think your companions should have had some comment about the outcome of the Landsmeet. It's such a climactic event and it's like they have no personal opinion on it at all. Even if they only say "All that politics is over my head, but I hope you know what you are doing". The only comment I could ever got out of anyone is if you are romancing Leliana or Morrigan and then have your HNM marry Anora.

[Sarah1281]

A romanced Zevran has the same concerns.

[Finiffa]

Galagraphia wrote...
And Wynne... I really loved her until the Landsmeet where I desided to spare Loghain because he made puppy face. Then Anora asked for Alistair's head and I said: "OK, let's be evil today" - and executed my boy. And Wynne who was always acting like his mother said nothing! I was shocked! I was expecting my companions to say something, to start a fight, but they silently agreed! Wynne died for me that moment. Really. She attacks if you ****** into some antient urn full of dust and says OK if you kill her favourite bastard prince! I've lost my faith in her.

I had the same after I let Alistair sacrifice himself on the Archdemon. Nobody seemed to care at all. And Wynne, who always seemed to act like he was her lost son, makes stupid remarks about dead heroes...

Lately I dont even bother to get her into my team most of the time. I take Morrigan with me to the tower and have Wynne throw a fit about that and kill her off......

[Gilsa]

I try not to dwell on Landsmeet too much. Even though in the game, it's such a pivotal event, the toolset seems to tell a different story. When I look in the dialogues in Orzammar, there were allowances for if Alistair was ALREADY king by the time you went there for the treaty. Someone was supposed to introduce Alistair as the king to Bhelen at one point. And when Bhelen would ask you to hunt down Jarvia, you'd be able to retort to him that he'd dare to ask the King of Ferelden to do his dirty work? (Not that exact line, but you get the idea.) I forget where else I've seen references to King Alistair before Landsmeet, but it gives me the impression that a lot of things got moved around to make Landsmeet happen when it did and some things probably slipped through the cracks. The lack of response from anyone, even Eamon, when Alistair is executed is ... just wow. Probably a major oversight than anything else.

[Sarah1281]

I thought Eamon at least comments when you click on him after arriving back at Redcliffe?
And you know that Bhelen would totally dare.

[Carmen_Willow]

Least favorite companion is Oghren. I don't want to have to deal with alcoholism in real life or in a game, so he gets parked in camp and in the keep unless I just have to use him for some reason.



And I've never executed Alistair, but I hated the fact that he didn't even get a darned funeral when he does the US and no one talks about him. Heck, when my character did the US, I got a darned funeral. It was so wrong. The guy who kills the darned archdemon to save the country doesn't even get a hero's send off. In my universe, I guess I take him back to Redcliffe, put him on a boat and give him an Arthurian/Viking acquatic bonfire. I did as much for Cailan, I'd do it for my brother in arms.

[Sarah1281]

Okay, there's no way Alistair didn't get a funeral. They just showed the post-coronation on-screen instead and yes people did seem to forget him awfully quickly so maybe not as many people came or Anora didn't preside over it all teary-eyed (especially if she's only on the throne by default since he die d) but we can assume that since we had the body and were no longer fugitives we had time to make sure he had a funeral.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I thought Eamon at least comments when you click on him after arriving back at Redcliffe?
And you know that Bhelen would totally dare.

I haven't tried it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Eammon's comments are the same if you put Anora on the throne alone, regardless of what happens to Alistair.  I never had the impression he cared much about Alistair as a person.  
 

[sylvanaerie]

I don't dislike any of the companions. I don't recruit Loghain so I don't count him. I guess if I did, he would be the one I hate. Barring that, Sten fits the category of least favorite and I don't even dislike him. It has more to do with the fact that my favorite class/combo is female/mage and as far as Sten is concerned thats two strikes against my PC. Even he changes his mind once I get Asala for him.

So technically I have none i dislike though I have varying levels of "like" with them.

[Carmen_Willow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Okay, there's no way Alistair didn't get a funeral. They just showed the post-coronation on-screen instead and yes people did seem to forget him awfully quickly so maybe not as many people came or Anora didn't preside over it all teary-eyed (especially if she's only on the throne by default since he die d) but we can assume that since we had the body and were no longer fugitives we had time to make sure he had a funeral.

Given the way Anora treats Alistair while he is alive, I don't think she gave him a funeral. She wants Ferelden to forget he ever existed. I understood why Anora wouldn't care; it was his so called friends and companions who didn't seem to care.

[Giggles_Manically]

My all time least favourite charachter is the evil PC. I mean come on the guy is just so mean and rude how can anyone stand that guy.

[Sarah1281]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Okay, there's no way Alistair didn't get a funeral. They just showed the post-coronation on-screen instead and yes people did seem to forget him awfully quickly so maybe not as many people came or Anora didn't preside over it all teary-eyed (especially if she's only on the throne by default since he die d) but we can assume that since we had the body and were no longer fugitives we had time to make sure he had a funeral.

Given the way Anora treats Alistair while he is alive, I don't think she gave him a funeral. She wants Ferelden to forget he ever existed. I understood why Anora wouldn't care; it was his so called friends and companions who didn't seem to care.

So maybe Anora didn't if she really wants the negative PR (which I don't believe she's stupid enough to do) but that doesn't mean that he never got a funeral at all. If nothing else, the Chantry would give him one. Important people just don't go around not having funerals because no one cares about/liked them. Do you think Howe's body or Loghain's was just thrown into a ditch somewhere? It may not have been an epic state occasion like the PC got but having a funeral is hardly some rare luxury.

[Carmen_Willow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Okay, there's no way Alistair didn't get a funeral. They just showed the post-coronation on-screen instead and yes people did seem to forget him awfully quickly so maybe not as many people came or Anora didn't preside over it all teary-eyed (especially if she's only on the throne by default since he die d) but we can assume that since we had the body and were no longer fugitives we had time to make sure he had a funeral.

Given the way Anora treats Alistair while he is alive, I don't think she gave him a funeral. She wants Ferelden to forget he ever existed. I understood why Anora wouldn't care; it was his so called friends and companions who didn't seem to care.

So maybe Anora didn't if she really wants the negative PR (which I don't believe she's stupid enough to do) but that doesn't mean that he never got a funeral at all. If nothing else, the Chantry would give him one. Important people just don't go around not having funerals because no one cares about/liked them. Do you think Howe's body or Loghain's was just thrown into a ditch somewhere? It may not have been an epic state occasion like the PC got but having a funeral is hardly some rare luxury.

What I am protesting is that in the game....Alistair's funeral was never mentioned, never covered.  I realize that we, as the PC are the "hero" and the ending is supposed to be about us....but hey, Alistair (in my playthroughs) was either my best buddy-brother in arms who US'd for his country OR he was the man I loved most in the entire world.  And it's like he drops off the planet. 

Sure--he probably got a funeral, but given the fact that it is not mentioned at all, (at least by the writers) it must have been a pretty "private" funeral.   And, I honestly do not believe that Anora would have been the one to give him one.  She would have done what we saw -- played up the PC's role in the victory and ignored Alistair completely.  Anora did that a couple of times during the game, past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. 

The first time I had him die, I was hurt that he didn't even get a darned honorable mention......not by anyone.  It hurt my feelings as his closest friend/lover, just as it would have hurt someone in real life who loses someone they care about and no one else seems to give a rat's patootey. I thought it was poor writing.

[Highdragonslayer]

My least favourite character would be Genlock Grunt

[Sarah1281]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Okay, there's no way Alistair didn't get a funeral. They just showed the post-coronation on-screen instead and yes people did seem to forget him awfully quickly so maybe not as many people came or Anora didn't preside over it all teary-eyed (especially if she's only on the throne by default since he die d) but we can assume that since we had the body and were no longer fugitives we had time to make sure he had a funeral.

Given the way Anora treats Alistair while he is alive, I don't think she gave him a funeral. She wants Ferelden to forget he ever existed. I understood why Anora wouldn't care; it was his so called friends and companions who didn't seem to care.

So maybe Anora didn't if she really wants the negative PR (which I don't believe she's stupid enough to do) but that doesn't mean that he never got a funeral at all. If nothing else, the Chantry would give him one. Important people just don't go around not having funerals because no one cares about/liked them. Do you think Howe's body or Loghain's was just thrown into a ditch somewhere? It may not have been an epic state occasion like the PC got but having a funeral is hardly some rare luxury.

What I am protesting is that in the game....Alistair's funeral was never mentioned, never covered.  I realize that we, as the PC are the "hero" and the ending is supposed to be about us....but hey, Alistair (in my playthroughs) was either my best buddy-brother in arms who US'd for his country OR he was the man I loved most in the entire world.  And it's like he drops off the planet. 

Sure--he probably got a funeral, but given the fact that it is not mentioned at all, (at least by the writers) it must have been a pretty "private" funeral.   And, I honestly do not believe that Anora would have been the one to give him one.  She would have done what we saw -- played up the PC's role in the victory and ignored Alistair completely.  Anora did that a couple of times during the game, past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. 

The first time I had him die, I was hurt that he didn't even get a darned honorable mention......not by anyone.  It hurt my feelings as his closest friend/lover, just as it would have hurt someone in real life who loses someone they care about and no one else seems to give a rat's patootey. I thought it was poor writing.

What does Anora stand to gain by minimalizing Alistair once he's dead? A dead hero is no threat to her, aftetr all. Yes, she does more for Loghain but he's her father and the people already knew him. If Anora is smart and politically-savvy (which she is) then she'll ignore her own disdain and hold a grand funeral where she tries to make it seem like the last of the Theirin bloodline supported her rule. He either pledged fealty to her if she was the Queen and not him, agreed to marry her and thus also supported her ruling, or else he threw her in a tower/outright named her his heir which (since he easily could havek killed her and that had been what she was expecting) all point to at least tacit approval of her taking the throne in lieu of him. She may not like him but oh well. If he can strengthen her claim in death then she's not just going to completely ignore him because it's impractical. His funeral, while not shown, was probably before or after the coronation just like the PC's was. After all, there had to have been a coronation in a US ending but they just didn't show it to us.

[rgon]

I liked all of the characters in Dragon Age: Origins. I think Sten is lagging behind though. I still need to warm up to him.

[Wedger]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

My least favourite character would be Genlock Grunt

How can you dislike Genlock Grunt?  Genlock Archer is so much worse. 

[SOLID_EVEREST]

In order from least favorite... to moderately least favorite lol.



1. Zevran

2. Oghren

3. Sten

4. Alistair

[Aristorum]

I hate to say it but Wynne always fell a little short to me. She was already so old by the game's start that she had already come to terms with everything in her life. She had more or less no regrets aside from Aneirin and she never second guessed herself. All of the other characters seemed just a little more interesting because they were all still dealing with their own personal demons. She was interesting enough in the beginning and I still love the griffon conversation, but she really has no lasting appeal in my eyes.

I'd blame her age for my lack of interest if it weren't for the fact that I adore both Flemeth and Loghain.

[asaiasai]

Morrigan hands down i dump her in Lotharin and never look back, the game has become enjoyable again especially after 19 plays it is the only way i roll from now on. Next in line is Allistair he almost made the top of the list just because i can not dump him either but i am forced to drag him around as well. He just usually sits in camp tending the fire until i decide which dragon i will feed him to Anora or the AD. Most of the time i am extra cruel and will feed him to Anora fiirst then feed him to the AD at the end, gets rid of my problem once and for all. Unlike Morrigan who still decided to return and offer me the DR even after i sent her packing at Lotharin like i am going to fall for that nonsense.



Asai