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[Herr Uhl]

klarabella wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Xandur.
Gender conceptions depend largely on class too. Women from lower classes generally were much more involved in labour, society and even politics than women of higher classes.

I read about how being pale was considered especially beautiful. It meant that you were wealthy enough not to work outside, so your skin wouldn't tan.

Don't know if it it's a myth, though.

It isn't a myth. It's like how growing a fingernail long is evidence of you not needing to do physical labor in Japan (or was it China, no I think that it is Japan).

[Xandurpein]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Xandur.
Gender conceptions depend largely on class too. Women from lower classes generally were much more involved in labour, society and even politics than women of higher classes. The delicate sex conception imo was present throughout history, but only to those who can afford having such conceptions. Ironically, from a feminist point of view, poor women were generally better off than aristocratic ones. Of course the subject is too vast and broad to be simplified like this. Surely we have seen many women from higher classes who were also greatly involved, but in general I believe that gender conception varied according to class and social standing even to this very day.

Gender conception has indeed varied a lot, but there is a maked shift in how women are depicted happening roughly around the beginning of the 18-th century in the Western world. Before this time women where considered "lesser" beings, rather than fundamantally differnet. The whole "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" kind of thinking is only about 300 years old.

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Without a legal age what were people waiting for if they married at the early twenties?

Trade apprenticeships took a long time to complete, for instance.  A man could not support a family as an apprentice.

Addai67 wrote...

That, and the actual middle ages didn't have healing magic available to them like Ferelden does, so a higher life expectancy seems likely.

Judging from what Alistair says when you ask about the taint, Fereldans do seem to have a fairly robust ife expectancy.  Alistair is telling you that you have 30 years give or take, you are about 20, so he considers dying at age 50 "dying young."

I found this annoying. Why would he be concerned about it? He's a soldier, if you fight in close combat with a sword it's very likely you are going to be injured and die younger anyway. Maybe even with mages available.

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

I'm sure he's speaking from the things older Wardens told him.  Before the Blight, they could expect to live "normal" lifespans, and thus confront their Calling, as with Duncan, Riordan, and the Wardens we see in The Calling.

The fact that certain aspects of DA don't correspond with historical reality is what makes it fantasy rather than historical fiction.  The game obviously simplifies many things for the fact that it's a game and thus has to be entertaining and meet the expectations of gameplayers.

[Patriciachr34]

klarabella wrote...

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

You do realize that Bioware is a Canadian company don't you?

[Herr Uhl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

You do realize that Bioware is a Canadian company don't you?

And Canada is in America, is it not?

[Patriciachr34]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

You do realize that Bioware is a Canadian company don't you?

And Canada is in America, is it not?

Oooo, Ouch!  Don't let the Canadians hear you say that!

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

You do realize that Bioware is a Canadian company don't you?

 
And Canada is in America, is it not?

I can only respond with this.

[Herr Uhl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

The more we talk about it the less dark fantasy-ish Dragon Age appears to be. It's a quite comfy world, even after an occupation, a civil war and a Blight. The arrogant European in me would say it's pretty americanized and glossed over (no offense, I know, this is predjudiced, but maybe it explains why some of us are so eager to add more uncomfortable, gritty features to it).

You do realize that Bioware is a Canadian company don't you?

And Canada is in America, is it not?

Oooo, Ouch!  Don't let the Canadians hear you say that!

Well, it is. as is Venezuela.

[soignee]

klarabella wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Xandur.
Gender conceptions depend largely on class too. Women from lower classes generally were much more involved in labour, society and even politics than women of higher classes.

I read about how being pale was considered especially beautiful. It meant that you were wealthy enough not to work outside, so your skin wouldn't tan.

Don't know if it it's a myth, though.

It's not. A nasty, caustic white lead based paint was used up until Regency times, pretty much scarred your face too.

Tanning and tanned skin being beautiful is 20th century invention. Coco Chanel of all people is credited for it!

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

klarabella wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Xandur.
Gender conceptions depend largely on class too. Women from lower classes generally were much more involved in labour, society and even politics than women of higher classes.

I read about how being pale was considered especially beautiful. It meant that you were wealthy enough not to work outside, so your skin wouldn't tan.

Don't know if it it's a myth, though.

It's not. A nasty, caustic white lead based paint was used up until Regency times, pretty much scarred your face too.

Tanning and tanned skin being beautiful is 20th century invention. Coco Chanel of all people is credited for it!

Wasn't it arsenic for a while too?

[Patriciachr34]

Sarah 1281...LOL! I love weird Al. That video is priceless.

[elearon1]

Just so people aren't misusing the term, it isn't pedophilia if the younger person has gone through puberty.



I find that the background material in DA makes for a dark setting - the way golems were created by the dwarves, for example, is rather messed up. (placing a dwarf in a suit of armour, then pouring molten lyrium through holes into it, effectively trapping the subject's spirit where it is left suffering for all time) But the game itself isn't usually as dark. Darker than many crpgs, sure - Baldur's Gate or NWN don't come close - but ME is darker, as is the Witcher.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I can only respond with this.

LOL!  That man is a genius.  And he's got great hair.

P.S. Since we're way o/t anyway, this will always be the classic Weird Al to link on a gaming site.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 juin 2010 - 01:10 .