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[elearon1]

 Triss Merigold is not nearly girly enough to be a Leliana clone (even if you were to ignore the fact that Triss predates Lel by something like 17 years) though I guess they bear some vague similarities in appearance - mostly in that they're both redheads and are sometimes dressed like adventurers.  (we can imagine they both look good in formal wear as well ... though you'll never see Triss in a plunging neckline of the type she wore in the game ... I wonder if they'll add her scars for the sequel?  Probably not, as the people who didn't read the books wouldn't understand the inconsistency)   If anything, the roguish Lel would be more like "Dandelion".  (though she's more combat savvy)

Personally I really liked the combat system in The Witcher, it was fast paced and more exciting than the turn based combat design you see in most crpgs.  The fact that you actually had to pay attention and change styles on the fly guaranteed it wasn't a click and forget kind of system either.  I did get frustrated that your attacks could be interrupted when you were using Group Style, though, as it is meant to allow you to fight people on every side - but I kept having people at my rear disrupting me.  I really don't know where the idea that an rpg has to have a turn based system came from - turn based combat has nothing to do with Role Playing, after all.  For the same reason I don't understand why people claim ME2 is less of an rpg because of its combat system ... there was plenty of rp in the game.

Speaking of the Mass Effect series, if you're looking for another good game to occupy your time I'd certainly recommend those - the first game is a lot darker near the end than anything in Dragon Age. 

Modifié par elearon1, 20 juin 2010 - 02:17 .

[TheMadCat]

RPG purism is lame. Looking at Mass Effect, I'd say BioWare agrees.

RPG purism, eh? You mean something like Dragon Age, made by BioWare?

[Zy-El]

nerdage wrote...

Akamadoushi wrote...
Tell me about it, I've beaten the game 9 times now (twice with all DLC installed) and I still can't put it down.

I used to do that, as soon as I finished one playthrough I'd say "Right, that it.", wait five minutes, then make a new character, but I think I cured myself of it. I made a character and did everything perfectly, which cured me of my compulsion to keep retrying. I still replay now and again, of course, but I got part of my life back.

Oh yeah?  Did you try it as male and female?  Did you do the quests in the same order all the time?  How about changing it up?  Used to be, I left Orzammar and Denerim to last.   After 10 playthroughs, I switch it up now and go to Denerim right after Lothering to get that Archiver's Belt for the extra xps - amazing what a couple extra skills at low levels will do?

I tend to play all classes and cycle through them - Warior, Rogue, Mage and back to Warrior again.  Yeah, even as I'm going through a character, I'm already thinking of the next character I'm going to play.  I swap races too just to mix it up.  Have you played a female Dwarf or a male Elven mage?  How about a male Dalish or female City Elf?  Then I also change up the love interests for each different character.  There's just too many options.    Can you ever get enough?

[Feraele]

nerdage wrote...

Akamadoushi wrote...

Tell me about it, I've beaten the game 9 times now (twice with all DLC installed) and I still can't put it down.

I used to do that, as soon as I finished one playthrough I'd say "Right, that it.", wait five minutes, then make a new character, but I think I cured myself of it. I made a character and did everything perfectly, which cured me of my compulsion to keep retrying. I still replay now and again, of course, but I got part of my life back.

Twenty-two characters later, I am still not cured of it..although I AM slowing down.       hehehe

[asaiasai]

Feraele wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Akamadoushi wrote...

Tell me about it, I've beaten the game 9 times now (twice with all DLC installed) and I still can't put it down.

I used to do that, as soon as I finished one playthrough I'd say "Right, that it.", wait five minutes, then make a new character, but I think I cured myself of it. I made a character and did everything perfectly, which cured me of my compulsion to keep retrying. I still replay now and again, of course, but I got part of my life back.

Twenty-two characters later, I am still not cured of it..although I AM slowing down.       hehehe

I am right behind ya buddy with 18 completed plays and working number 19 now. Tis a great game and while most folks here probably hate my guts for my anti Morrigan stance, the community is great, if for no other reason that if they yell "yo mama" at least they will tell you why.

Asai

[Arttis]

jeez so many completed plays.

I am at most 10 but with 100+ incomplete plays.

I have deleted everything and started fresh with no unlocked specs...again...

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

I love how Dragon Age has a more detailed world than Mass Effect. There is more codex in Dragon Age that explains much more about the world you are playing in

[deus_]

CID-78 wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

NKKKK wrote...
Man Bioware should take note from the Witcher

I found The Witcher unplayable because of that dreadful timing-based combat system.

While I didn't find it unplayable, I did find it to have just about the worst combat system in an RPG I've ever encountered.  The fact that the journal made some decisions for me that I hadn't made didn't help either (there's an investigation in the game, and the journal told me I'd ruled out some people who I didn't even feel I'd started investigating yet.)

Among modern RPGs, DA is definitely my favorite.  I still prefer turn-based combat, though.

So you haven't played Gothic then. That game has the worst RPG combat system ever, but you can pull through even that because gothic has a really nice open world that even beat the Elderscrolls games in a few areas. (but it's not better then the elderscrolls serie)

the witchers combat system isn't good because it isn't a RPG system it's a action game system.

and it look like the system remain in witcher 2.

The Witcher was unique and yes it was more action oriented but not as much as clickfests like Diablo or Oblivion.


The click sequence function actually makes it less an action game, its more a way decide how long you want commit  an attack of an opponent.
It feel a bit more intuitive then just hammering the mouse for one kind of attack at a time at a time or just having an automatic click attack.
Having an automatic attack wouldnt make sense since you only control one character.

And i can't stand to play CRPG in 3D with point and click unless i have completely and easy oversight over the map.
Both traversing and combat were bothersome in DA and NVM, so most of the time i spent messing around in the exploration view, bored out of my skull by having to traverse generic cavern and dungeons stopped by uninteresting, time consuming horde nr.112, I only went to strategy mode in the unique fights.

The click sequence took some time to get use to but you didnt need the dexterity to a diablo or cs gamer.

[deus_]

Taylon wrote...

That once you play this game you can't play anything else because it makes anything else pale into insignificance! No going back now! Will just have to wait for new and better stuff to be released!

I'm sure this will just have to be a personal thing, but i havent really been that drawn to replay DA, i got the Return to Ostagar DLC after i finished, and i guess i will get "Awakening" soon.


But...I'm afraid to think how many hours I've wasted on the Infinity engine games, installed TuTu attleast 3 times on seperate occasion.
And thats not counted on how much i played Baldurs gate one and two on  standalone. 

[Legion-001]

deus_ wrote...

Taylon wrote...

That once you play this game you can't play anything else because it makes anything else pale into insignificance! No going back now! Will just have to wait for new and better stuff to be released!

I'm sure this will just have to be a personal thing, but i havent really been that drawn to replay DA, i got the Return to Ostagar DLC after i finished, and i guess i will get "Awakening" soon.


But...I'm afraid to think how many hours I've wasted on the Infinity engine games, installed TuTu attleast 3 times on seperate occasion.
And thats not counted on how much i played Baldurs gate one and two on  standalone. 

It's not just you, I also have no interest in replaying DA:O nor DA:A (for me both games play like someone tried to bolt a story onto hellgate: london IE Go here kill 5 of generic enemy 225 and generic Elites 212, then proceed to kill generic boss to get generic loot).

But BG1 & 2 sheesh I still have BG2 + TOB installed on my system, and I also have BG + TOSC, IWD + HOW, IWD2 and Planescape Torment... I've also completed each of them at least 6 times.

Modifié par Legion-001, 20 juin 2010 - 09:17 .

[elearon1]

Planescape: Torment, honestly, will change your entire expectation of story based games ... almost nothing can touch it.



That said, I have played through every one of the origins (actually, I haven't done any female dwarfs, that will have to be next) but could only play through the entire game once. I tried a second time doing it solo, but about halfway through I really started missing party dialog, so I picked up a couple people. Still, it isn't a game with a great deal of replay value.



That aside, I'm still definitely pick up Leliana's Song and the other forthcoming DLCs and no doubt enjoy them a great deal for one time through.

[Sylvius the Mad]

deus_ wrote...

Having an automatic attack wouldnt make sense since you only control one character.

I think an automatic attack is the only approach that makes sense in an RPG.

You only controlled one character in NWN, and it was point & click.

I want to spend my time in an RPG making meaningful decisions, not timing my mouse clicks.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 22 juin 2010 - 10:02 .

[deus_]

You still could. The Witcher still had a pause function, and from there you had several option on how you wanted to carry out your brawl, also, you must remember that you had several ways to attack, not just a dice roll there and then slash, so signaling what attack you wanted makes sense by timing, it wasnt much as a clicksequences but deciding if you wanted another combo after a hit, or if you wanted to dissengaded in mid strike and attack another.



I would say it has a very VERY detail based tactical battles.



And even though not very complex or original the dot system gave several ways to specialize the way you wanted without giving you the opportunity to maximize everything.



OK so the RPG aspects TW had isnt the biggest thing i fell in love with, but it still is a decent gameplay that distansces itself away from Diablo.

[btthegeek]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I_Love_Leliana wrote...

I just saw the trailer of Witcher 2 and I didn't know a Leliana look alike was in that game.

Aside from the fact Triss and Leliana look nothing alike, I'd like to point out that Triss actually came first so Leliana is a "Triss look-a-like", not the other way around. But they don't look similar at all.

Have to say I'm one of the few people who really wasn't bowled over by Dragon Age. It took me a few months to complete it because I just couldn't get into it, and since then I've never gotten on too well with it. I like it, sure, but I don't really get the hype for it.

I am with you in the "I don't get it" department.  I did one playthrough and moved on.  I'm trying to give it another go, but I can't really get into it so far.  I wonder if it would make a difference if I played it on PC.

[Loerwyn]

I can appreciate DA:O was a good game, but I don't think it was great. Perhaps when the series and the gameplay mature a bit more it'll be a very, very good game, but I felt there were a lot of problems and minor issues with DA:O that could have been avoided. I've struggled to get past ~50% on any character since my first completion, and I have 2-3 characters between 12 and 16, I believe. I just can't get past where I am on them.

Good game? Sure. Worth the money? Of course. Best RPG ever made and other silly things people are calling it? Far from the truth. I don't think Dragon Age has really done anything special which is a real shame as I honestly think BioWare could have done a lot more with the game.

[elearon1]

>>OK so the RPG aspects TW had isnt the biggest thing i fell in love with

Really? I loved the difficult decisions it had you make in a number of places - having to stop and consider what kind of morality your Witcher possessed when faced with doing his job vs sacrificing his principles. Not to mention the fact that the setting was actually dark in the way you were promised.

Not to mention your actions actually did have consequences later in the game - something I wasn't often convinced of in DA.

Modifié par elearon1, 22 juin 2010 - 11:01 .

[deus_]

elearon1 wrote...

>>OK so the RPG aspects TW had isnt the biggest thing i fell in love with

Really? I loved the difficult decisions it had you make in a number of places - having to stop and consider what kind of morality your Witcher possessed when faced with doing his job vs sacrificing his principles. Not to mention the fact that the setting was actually dark in the way you were promised.

Not to mention your actions actually did have consequences later in the game - something I wasn't often convinced of in DA.

You are right ofcourse, i just didnt focus to much of those RPG aspects in my post. 

[Woffen5]

Dragon age isnt the best rpg ever. Its good, but it could have been alot better. There are a number of rpgs I enjoyed alot more. Gothic 2 being one of them, the baldurs gate series and a whole other bunch. Combatwise I like any infinity engine game using the DnD ruleset better than the combat in dragon age.



Do love dragon age though.