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[Kid_SixXx]

Anyone ever manage to get enough Paragon points to make him stand down?  I try to do every mission possible to earn as many Paragon points as I can before doing Feros and I still end up shooting him in the head.

The only way I can think to earn enough Paragon points is to do Noveria before Feros, but that breaks up my ideal vision of the story progression. 

I am hopeless.

[langelog]

Yeah I had the same issue, my advice is to get your paragon up on this playthrough, and then you will be able to convince him in your next playthrough and still keep your ideal vision of story progression, which I agree is very important. I know this takes time, but its the best solution I can come up with at the moment.

[JLBoyyy]

i had to play a LOT of playthroughs (even though they were not very good playthroughs) before i was able to convince him. i actually think you need like 10 or 11 points, which is a lot if you dont want to put points into that

[Vralenalien]

It's not that hard, but you really need to do sub quests before going to Feros and atleast to go to get Liara I think. You have to have almost full charm points or full intimidation points in order to get option to use paragon/renegade dialog option.

I've never done Feros as my first place so not sure if it's even possible to get enough points for Charm if you go there first.

Modifié par Vralenalien, 18 juin 2010 - 07:16 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Langelog is correct. Collect as many Paragon points as you can this playthrough, regardless of whether or not you can make certain decisions. If you subsequently use NG+ and continue with the same Shepard on another playthrough, you'll have a much better chance of persuading Jong.

[Fiery Phoenix]

m14567 wrote...

I've only ever succeeded having charm at 12 but I don't do multiple playthroughs with the same character so I don't know if your paragon point total helps or not.

Playing multiple playthrough's with the same character is a necessary first-step if you want to gain access to the most critical Paragon and Renegade conversation options in the game.

[The Grey Ranger]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

m14567 wrote...

I've only ever succeeded having charm at 12 but I don't do multiple playthroughs with the same character so I don't know if your paragon point total helps or not.

Playing multiple playthrough's with the same character is a necessary first-step if you want to gain access to the most critical Paragon and Renegade conversation options in the game.

No it's not, you can always invest skill points into charm/intimidate.  That said it is one of the more difficult checks in the game.  I think its 11 or 12 in charm/intimidate.  I never sweat it too much, the guy's a scumbag.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The Grey Ranger wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

m14567 wrote...

I've only ever succeeded having charm at 12 but I don't do multiple playthroughs with the same character so I don't know if your paragon point total helps or not.

Playing multiple playthrough's with the same character is a necessary first-step if you want to gain access to the most critical Paragon and Renegade conversation options in the game.

No it's not, you can always invest skill points into charm/intimidate.  That said it is one of the more difficult checks in the game.  I think its 11 or 12 in charm/intimidate.  I never sweat it too much, the guy's a scumbag.

Then how do you explain the fact that my Renegade bar was full by my fourth playthrough with the same full Paragon Shepard?

[The Grey Ranger]

You can gain points for multiple playthroughs, but you can also complete max them in one. It just requires that you give up some other abilities. To max both in one you could, play renegade, use the Elantia monkey glitch to max your paragon and spend 16 skill points, 8 for charm and 8 for intimidate.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ah, that's not what I did, though. My main Shepard is a full Paragon Level 60 Soldier, and I beat ME1 six times with him. Around my fourth playthrough I saw that I was able to choose every Intimidate conversation option there is; turned out my Renegade bar was somehow full, despite me never choosing Renegade options or assigning any points into Intimidate with that character in the first place. It just happened by itself.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 18 juin 2010 - 11:32 .

[caradoc2000]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Around my fourth playthrough I saw that I was able to choose every Intimidate conversation option there is; turned out my Renegade bar was somehow full, despite me never choosing Renegade options or assigning any points into Intimidate with that character in the first place. It just happened by itself.

It is because you can get up to 4 free charm/intimidate points per playthrough.

However, as pointed out above, you can invest your regular skill points into charm/intimidate, and get all 12 in a single playthrough.

Modifié par caradoc2000, 18 juin 2010 - 01:26 .

[The Grey Ranger]

Yep, you get 1 point in charm and intimidate for becoming a spectre, (this happens each play through) it also opens up 2 spots where you could spend skill points, 10% on your paragon/renegade bar will give you one point and open up 2 slots in the appropriate skill, 25% gives you another point and opens up 2 more slots, 75% will give your last free point for that free play through and open up the last 2 slots.

So you did six passes with one character that is 6 free points in intimidate/charm + whatever you got from your game choices.

This is the same method that optimized builds for a level 60 Shepard use.  You can do three play throughs with the character and have your full 102 points to spend on skills, while maxing your conversation skill with the free points.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 18 juin 2010 - 12:29 .

[Devos]

The level t which you can raise charm and intimidate is capped by your paragon/renegade so you still need 75% paragon to get the 12 charm required. I'm also pretty sure this is only check that requires 12 charm for a paragon out come. There may be other checks as high depending on how you go through the dialogue trees but that's the only one you flat out need it. Convincing Sarren at the end isn't as hard and given some of the obvious howlers of glitches that have never been fixed I doubt this is working as intended.

[The Grey Ranger]

I'll admit I usually just kill him. His overall attitude annoys me. It's not like you don't give him a chance to back down.

[Commander Steve]

this will make your respect for yourself plummet, but its quick. if you dont know about the infinite paragon glitch, heres a link. i also wanted feros first. made most sense.

http://masseffect.wi...#Paragon_points