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[ResidentNoob]

Really, it seems to all depend on whether you still consider yourself in a relationship with them after the whole Horizon thing.



For Ashley/Kaidan, you've been gone for two years, so I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't consider themselves to be in a relationship with you when they see you again. And even if they did, it all went to hell after the whole 'You're with Cerberus now? WTF?' thing. Although now that I've said that, they'll probably still be pretty pissed if you decided to hook up with somebody else.



For Shepard, however, it's only been a few weeks for him/her, so Ashley/Kaidan not joining them on Horizon is probably going to be a rather big deal. If you'd still consider yourself in a relationship with them, but hook up with somebody else anyway, then yes, it's most definitely cheating. If not, then you're a free man/woman.



Liara, on the other hand...unless you want to break up with her after seeing her 'new attitude', I can't see it as anything other than cheating. She obviously still loves you; at least she actually kisses you when you meet each other again

[SpiderFan1217]

Yes, it is cheating. Luckily, if you chose Ash, like I did, you most likely are not bothered by this.

[lazuli]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Yes, it is cheating. Luckily, if you chose Ash, like I did, you most likely are not bothered by this.

Agreed.  Honestly, Kaidan is the only one I feel bad about leaving.  Liara is all too quick to put her own agenda ahead of your own.  I didn't read Redemption, so I could be missing something there.  And Ash is Ash.  If she shows up in ME3 with both Warp and Overload, then we'll see if I feel guilty.

[RenownedRyan]

Modifié par RenownedRyan, 18 juin 2010 - 07:25 .

[langelog]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Yes, it is cheating. Luckily, if you chose Ash, like I did, you most likely are not bothered by this.

Yeah I chose Ash, and now I'm with Miri, her looks and intelligence blow Ash out of the water and her personality is my ideal, it is my hope as I said earlier, that Ash understands that I believed our relationship was over and I don't end up on an episode of Jerry Springer in ME3

[Shadowomega23]

lazuli wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Yes, it is cheating. Luckily, if you chose Ash, like I did, you most likely are not bothered by this.

Agreed.  Honestly, Kaidan is the only one I feel bad about leaving.  Liara is all too quick to put her own agenda ahead of your own.  I didn't read Redemption, so I could be missing something there.  And Ash is Ash.  If she shows up in ME3 with both Warp and Overload, then we'll see if I feel guilty.

From what I read about Redemption Liara kind of started falling for someone else sence Shep was dead. Though None of my Sheps (all male by the way) never even romanced her.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Personally I got the impression Ashley thinks it's over, but Shepard can probably decide that in ME3 if he wants Ashley back.



Liara however, she seemed a bit umm... unstable when you meet with her. So I wouldn't want to cheat on her.

[langelog]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Really, it seems to all depend on whether you still consider yourself in a relationship with them after the whole Horizon thing.

For Ashley/Kaidan, you've been gone for two years, so I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't consider themselves to be in a relationship with you when they see you again. And even if they did, it all went to hell after the whole 'You're with Cerberus now? WTF?' thing. Although now that I've said that, they'll probably still be pretty pissed if you decided to hook up with somebody else.

For Shepard, however, it's only been a few weeks for him/her, so Ashley/Kaidan not joining them on Horizon is probably going to be a rather big deal. If you'd still consider yourself in a relationship with them, but hook up with somebody else anyway, then yes, it's most definitely cheating. If not, then you're a free man/woman.

Liara, on the other hand...unless you want to break up with her after seeing her 'new attitude', I can't see it as anything other than cheating. She obviously still loves you; at least she actually kisses you when you meet each other again

Well said, and it sites many points from my original argument, glad to see so many are open to discussion on this topic and not just posting 'cheater!' and leaving it at that. To my surprise, some have said that yes, it is still cheating, but its actually not that bad, and listed reasons why. If there is an argument between the previous LI and the ME2 LI, and I'm sure there will be, Shep will likley have to choose between them and likley end up looking like a jackass when the previous LI should be able to realize Shep's side of the ordeal and capitulate rather than flipping out over something so meager IMO.

[langelog]

Shavon wrote...

It doesn't really give you the option to clarify the relationship is over, though. I've noticed. THe only thing that seems to break off the relationship is if you go ahead and pursue a relationship with an ME2 Li.

True, there isn't a point where you can officialy break it off with the previous LI, the social contact you get with them is quite limited. The only point to me that feels like a romance ender, is during the conversation with Yeoman Chambers after Harvest, Shep specifically says and I quote "What we had is in the past now" when Kelly asks if Shep still has strong feelings for the ME1 LI

Modifié par langelog, 18 juin 2010 - 10:22 .

[langelog]

Bluko wrote...

Shepard:"Can't I have you both?"

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is the cheesiest smile in the galaxy!

[Collider]

I expect ME3 to treat having two LIs as "cheating." But if you ask me, it's only cheating if you had Liara as your LI in ME1.

[tmk]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...
As for Liara... You're basically just Liara's errand boy after the initial greeting. She is all business, no time for romance. Still, she isn't nearly as dismissive as Ashley/Kaidan.

Well, what the hell do you want her to do exactly, make out with you right on that table of hers, with Nyxeris and two of your squadmates watching? She tries to help you in any way she can, and doesn't even ask you to help her unless you specifically say you want to help. Guess it would be kinda cool if you could take her out someplace and have a chat... though that wouldn't be fair to the people who romanced Ash/Kaidan, as they don't get a similar opportunity. Then again, she only refused to be part of your squad. You could always use some imagination... 

[Cyberfrog81]

While Shepard might benefit from going out more, to learn a few more dance moves and what not, I'm not one of the people who want a dating sim. Would rather take her right to the new Captain's cabin.  "Come to my place and I'll show you some new intel on the Shadow Broker. :whistle:" Heavy risk, though.

[TheSixthghoul]

I personally think, it's not cheating. On the grounds the character have been dead for two years during that time said ex has change, so when you play Mass Effect 3 it would be like re romancing them. Secondly, you never really validated that it was a real relationship, someone could easily say they we're friends with benefits and said love could have saw it differently, both would be correct.Thirdly, if they do go with this cheating thing, what does it say to Mass Effect 1players, you're being punished for suffering Mass Effect 1 problems .

[tmk]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...
While Shepard might benefit from going out more, to learn a few more dance moves and what not, I'm not one of the people who want a dating sim.

You wouldn't want a Liara dating sim? What's wrong with you? 

[Aricle]

Zack56 wrote...

Is it wrong to hope for a cat fight
between Liara and Tali? If so, I don't want to be right.

Were you thinking of this song when you wrote that? Either way, it amused me.

I know the song is cheesy but the sentiment (minus out-and-out infidelity) has some truth. I feel that caring about someone new* doesn't mean you are wrong. Consider Kaidan's email where he mentions going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel- I believe that it was/is a casual thing for him to date this doctor. He assumes that my Shepard doesn't have feelings or conflicts over being involved with Cerberus... or simply ignores that entirely in his own emotional state. The follow-up email did not make it better, IMO. The 'maybe' at the end: touching but inconclusive. 'Maybe' doesn't mean Shepard has to wait for that person. Granted, Shepard knows they are still alive (alive and unwilling to see Shepard's side of things) while they thought she/he was dead.

Being left by anyone feels terrible; in this case, I think there is heartache on both sides. The reaction on Horizon does seems extreme, although as was pointed out here, it is quite soon timewise to get involved with someone else, as the two years weren't two years for Shepard. For my canon, being with Garrus or Tali works best for they are friends already.  However, when you may die, wanting someone by your side makes sense to me, whether new or old friends.

* As far as Garrus and Tali go- they are not new, they have been and are still there.

[snfonseka]

It's not cheating.

[snfonseka]

tmk wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...
As for Liara... You're basically just Liara's errand boy after the initial greeting. She is all business, no time for romance. Still, she isn't nearly as dismissive as Ashley/Kaidan.

Well, what the hell do you want her to do exactly, make out with you right on that table of hers, with Nyxeris and two of your squadmates watching? She tries to help you in any way she can, and doesn't even ask you to help her unless you specifically say you want to help. Guess it would be kinda cool if you could take her out someplace and have a chat... though that wouldn't be fair to the people who romanced Ash/Kaidan, as they don't get a similar opportunity. Then again, she only refused to be part of your squad. You could always use some imagination... 

Also don't forget that she is the one who saved Shepards life (I mean... Shepards corpse ) from collectors...

[tmk]

 Yea, I kinda pointed that out a page ago, didn't want to repeat myself 

[Prince of Kemet]

langelog wrote...

LorDC brings up a good point, consider it duly noted. My def of cheating is dishonorably hiding your actions when you are activley involved in relationship, I wouldn't call that relationship 'active' nor would I call it a relationship at all at that point, and from what is said in ME2 I do believe the previous relationship is in the past and hopefully I won't have to deal with an episode of Jerry Springer come ME3. Miri and Ash goin at it, some would actually pay to see that.

Miranda vs Ashley........hmmm, sounds like a Pay-Per-View event to me. I'd pay for it. In fact, I HOPE that it happens. ME3 should have HIGH DRAMA!!!

Modifié par Prince of Kemet, 19 juin 2010 - 08:45 .

[Shadowomega23]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

langelog wrote...

LorDC brings up a good point, consider it duly noted. My def of cheating is dishonorably hiding your actions when you are activley involved in relationship, I wouldn't call that relationship 'active' nor would I call it a relationship at all at that point, and from what is said in ME2 I do believe the previous relationship is in the past and hopefully I won't have to deal with an episode of Jerry Springer come ME3. Miri and Ash goin at it, some would actually pay to see that.

Miranda vs Ashley........hmmm, sounds like a Pay-Per-View event to me. I'd pay for it. In fact, I HOPE that it happens. ME3 should have HIGH DRAMA!!!

Actually Ash vs Jack would be intence bullets vs biotics, or Ash vs Tali wait nm I think ash would be more dumb founded with that one.

[Khayness]

Play it safe. Let the crew die along with your LI and 9 of your squadmates. Nobody will know it.

[earthbornFemShep]

Honestly, it can be either way. How I see the confrontation going between the LI is much like the "threesome" confrontation in ME1. Basically, I see it being a rather calm convo unless Liara or Jack is involved.



Any way you play it, I expect it to be a long conversation with later mentions in the game.



I think Liara might freak out a bit, but I don't see Kaiden or Ashley having much to harp on. In the emails they sent after Horizon, they basically left the door open, but certainly did not hint at exclusivity on EITHER your part OR theirs.



So, 'no' it is not cheating unless it is Liara. With Liara, it is a grey area.