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[Nightwriter]

Why does "but I didn't know!" have to be an excuse?

Why do I need an excuse at all?

I don't understand.

[TheSixthghoul]

Nightwriter wrote...

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

No, you have a terrible point. Mass Effect was announced as a trilogy from the start, and if you couldnt tell there was gonna be a sequel from the ending, thats just sad.

I didn't know it was a trilogy when I bought it.

Even when I got the news about Mass Effect 2 I had already beat it more times than I liked to think about.

Has anyone ever played a game so much going back over it is agony?

I know how you feel Nightwriter, I played my first Shepard  three times,before I knew of the sequel. I didn't know carry overs,the plot of being dead or anything. This was four month before it came out the appeal after the second play thorough was already running on empty and the flaws of the game where leering at me.

[jlb524]

Why do you all get so worked up over this! Guilty conscience, perhaps?



If you took an ME2 LI and like them more, be proud of it and pat yourselves on the back.

[Nightwriter]

Sixth Goul wrote...

I know how you feel Nightwriter, I played my first Shepard  three times,before I knew of the sequel. I didn't know carry overs,the plot of being dead or anything. This was four month before it came out the appeal after the second play thorough was already running on empty and the flaws of the game where leering at me.

Sadly for you and I this does not seem to matter.

[TheSixthghoul]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

I didnt play Mass Effect 1 fully until the December before. Thats one month. And I have a different opinion.
Plus, they brought up the cheating thing in vid docs, if you didnt know, you shouldve payed attention before the game came out.

Look this could go on all night ,bottom line it's going like. I could be right,and you will disagree with me.You could be right, and I'll disagree with.Only thing we can do is stat are points.

1 I don't find it cheating, because you're not given the option to break up,I feel you're not given the option because it was  all ready over,if you wanted it or not.Your given the option to go back if you want (which I don't) via email as long as you don't move on. I assume a reasonable assessment ?

2 The relationship itself, that's pretty much to the imagination, I don't know what you think it was, but to me it was just friends with benefits.

3 Lets say for argument sake that you where right and it was cheating, how would the confrontation work? I assume all three would have to be in the same place at the same at the same time? Likely in the party, no were else would be logical. It would have to be at a set plot location and what if you didn't have the new love interest in the party at the time. Would you have a conversation with the ex and say nothing about the new flame and wind up back on the ship with confrontation? Does that make sense? Or what if they pop on to you're ship,would Joker authorize a non crew member on to the ship without permission, knowing that you've move on?

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 20 juin 2010 - 05:46 .

[Nightwriter]

Yeah that's kind of how I feel too Goul.

1. It didn't feel like a full-fledged relationship to begin with to me. We spent one night together. This is very subjective.

2. I genuinely care for this new love interest more. I cannot control that.

3. I can't go back and break it off with my old love interest. I am now trapped. Unfair.

4. In order to be a good person I must now go back and replay ME1, something I will do but shouldn't have to.

5. I am totally left hanging on my ME1 romance in ME2. They address absolutely nothing. Everything is in limbo.

6. Finding someone else who is more right for you is very realistic. I like to play a realistic game. Going back and changing who I romanced breaks my immersion.

7. Just because I've found someone new doesn't mean I don't still care about or respect my old love interest.

8. Even though no time has passed for Shepard, time has passed for my love interest and for me.

[tmk]

jlb524 wrote...
Why do you all get so worked up over this! Guilty conscience, perhaps?

Because, it will be a bit ridiculous if Bioware makes this turn out as "cheating" in ME3 when, depending on how you play your story, it's not exactly what happens.

[Bugsie]

I want a reply button for my email so that I can let my old LI know what they did to me, how it hurt me what they said to me on Horizon and how I've since moved on.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Why do you all get so worked up over this! Guilty conscience, perhaps?

If you took an ME2 LI and like them more, be proud of it and pat yourselves on the back.

jlb, you're like Glinda the Good Witch.

You show up with your good magic and when you're there you create a magical sphere of positivity.

But when the flying monkeys start attacking me and the Wicked Witch of the West is writing my name in the sky next to the word CHEATER you're just not there to help me with your good magic and your positivity!

Modifié par Nightwriter, 20 juin 2010 - 08:25 .

[N7Recon]

Dude, that a terrible point. Some people like myself didn't even known they were making a squeal, let a alone newer and better love interests. Hardly a reason to punish Mass Effect one players who don't want to start over game just for that. 

No, you have a terrible point. Mass Effect was announced as a trilogy from the start, and if you couldnt tell there was gonna be a sequel from the ending, thats just sad.

How is my point terrible? I didn't get the game tell seven months before Mass Effect 2. Regardless if its a trilogy know one knew what would happen in Mass Effect 2 until weeks before it came out, so my point still stands. Someone who played Mass Effect One should not be penalize for not knowing meta game knowledge.

Rubbish.  

Ok, it sucks that you didn't know - but you should still be penalized.  If the ME1 LI is still into Shepard it makes sense for them to be mad/upset/disappointed at the idea that you moved on.  The fact that a particular player of the game was unaware that sequels would come with choice continuity is no reason whatsoever to water down the consequences of the choices made.

Think about it in terms of in-game plot.  Ashley doesn't know N7Recon is outside the universe dictating Shepard's choices, so why should she be calm when she finds out Shepard had a quickie with Jack and then made Miranda his new girlfriend?

Ashley: I loved you!  How could you?!?
Shepard: [Shaggy Defense] It wasn't me. 

Ashley: WHAT?
Shepard: There's a gamer outside who controls me. He didn't know you'd be back in a sequel.
Ashley: Oh, ok. You're forgiven.

Makes. No. Sense.  

As far as the ME1 LI is concerned, you were serious, then you died - major heartbreak.  By a miracle of science you are back - a chance to get their partner back.  But they are spurned by a boy/girlfriend who spent almost no time in finding someone new (remember those 2 comatose years are lost to Shepard).

Plus Bioware did bother to make all of the ME1 LI's state that they are not promiscuous and/or take getting intimate with others as a matter of some seriousness, [plus your first conversation in ME2 being with your lover isn't exactly a chance occurrence]...I'm sorry, how does the whole "we were just friends with benefits" angle hold up to any scrutiny?

Bioware will probably provide a "I thought we were just casual!" renegade option, but the idea that the ME1 LI's weren't serious seems preposterous given the their dialogue and behavior.  The worst way Bioware could handle the situation would be to retcon the personalities of 3 characters and dilute the strength of the series (continuity of choices) because a few people didn't know there would be a sequel.

Modifié par N7Recon, 20 juin 2010 - 09:05 .

[langelog]

tmk wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Why do you all get so worked up over this! Guilty conscience, perhaps?

Because, it will be a bit ridiculous if Bioware makes this turn out as "cheating" in ME3 when, depending on how you play your story, it's not exactly what happens.

Agreed, hopefully Bioware doesn't do that, but knowing them, I'm sure they will. It is my hope that if there is a conflict, that it will be resolved quickly and there will be some understanding of other's viewpoints, rather than mass chaos in which there is regretable permanent damage that ruins the story.

[Si-Shen]

Technically its not cheating, after all, you were dead for 2 years, he/she moved on and I didn't exactly see them jumping up to join up with you again. Really you can look at it as them breaking it off with you. Besides, if you do a LI for ME2, you flip their picture down so I would say thats a good sign its over.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Here's to hoping we can have both - or all three - of them in Mass Effect 3.

[TheSixthghoul]

N7Recon wrote...

Rubbish.  

Ok, it sucks that you didn't know - but you should still be penalized.  If the ME1 LI is still into Shepard it makes sense for them to be mad/upset/disappointed at the idea that you moved on.  The fact that a particular player of the game was unaware that sequels would come with choice continuity is no reason whatsoever to water down the consequences of the choices made.

Why would they  be angry ? That was two years ago,besides they already question the seriousness of the former "relationship" at Horizon on you're part. They don't believe the story of you're death as it is anyways.

Think about it in terms of in-game plot.  Ashley doesn't know N7Recon is outside the universe dictating Shepard's choices, so why should she be calm when she finds out Shepard had a quickie with Jack and then made Miranda his new girlfriend?

I never said there shouldn't be consequence,there is no reason for consequences difference.

Ashley: I loved you!  How could you?!?
Shepard: [Shaggy Defense] It wasn't me. 

Ashley: WHAT?
Shepard: There's a gamer outside who controls me. He didn't know you'd be back in a sequel.
Ashley: Oh, ok. You're forgiven.

Makes. No. Sense.

I agree that doesn't make any sense,this does.


Ashley: I love you!How could you?!?
Shepard:[confused look on his face] It was in are best interests,no reason to rekindle the past.
Ashley:What?No, your obligated to be with me, in life and in death,forever!!! Regardless if you break up with me ,because I didn't end it!!!
Shepard:That doesn't make any sense,you can force me to stay with you.
Ashley:Oh,but I can. You see gamers who wanted a reward for staying,also they wanted those who moved on punished. Because they didn't move on,so everyone else has to suffer, just to appease them.

As far as the ME1 LI is concerned, you were serious, then you died - major heartbreak.  By a miracle of science you are back - a chance to get their partner back.  But they are spurned by a boy/girlfriend who spent almost no time in finding someone new (remember those 2 comatose years are lost to Shepard).

Well if this isn't subjective... If they assume it's serious okay, that's there view. Does it make them a couple, if one clams it's a relationship and the other doesn't? Does a stalker and his victim make a couple?

Plus Bioware did bother to make all of the ME1 LI's state that they are not promiscuous and/or take getting intimate with others as a matter of some seriousness,

No clue what you're talking about?

[plus your first conversation in ME2 being with your lover isn't exactly a chance occurrence]...I'm sorry, how does the whole "we were just friends with benefits" angle hold up to any scrutiny?

No,I'm sorry you're only half right. True, that happens with you're "partner",but it also happens with the Virmire survivor with the same dialogue regardless

Bioware will probably provide a "I thought we were just casual!" renegade option, but the idea that the ME1 LI's weren't serious seems preposterous given the their dialogue and behavior.  The worst way Bioware could handle the situation would be to retcon the personalities of 3 characters and dilute the strength of the series (continuity of choices) because a few people didn't know there would be a sequel.

How about this, it's been two years get over it,move on with you're life, best thing any Shepard could suggest.No one's talking about personalty,I'm talking about realism and how realistically they souldn't hold any anger after two years.

PS.Worst thing Bioware could do,is to appease only  those who have agenda, which is everyone who's playing the game.<_<

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 21 juin 2010 - 05:08 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

I feel it's only cheating or not cheating within your own personal Shepard's story.  What do you think happened with the relationship after Shepard saved the Citadel?  Would that particular Shepard consider the last interaction as the final
chapter?  Would that particular Shepard be attached enough or mature/analytical enough to understand and respect the LI's reaction?  Is that Shepard impulsive or willing to wait a bit and get more information before making a "final decision"?  It's a role playing game, after all; as Mr. Hudson said, "As far as we're concerned, the player's
perspective, it's always the right perspective."

That being said, an option should have existed for a seriously irritated or hurt Shepard to email the LI back (for Ashley and Kaidan) stomping out any romantic possibility or tell Liara that she's changed and to never contact Shep again.

[TheSixthghoul]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

I feel it's only cheating or not cheating within your own personal Shepard's story.  What do you think happened with the relationship after Shepard saved the Citadel?  Would that particular Shepard consider the last interaction as the final
chapter?  Would that particular Shepard be attached enough or mature/analytical enough to understand and respect the LI's reaction?  Is that Shepard impulsive or willing to wait a bit and get more information before making a "final decision"?  It's a role playing game, after all; as Mr. Hudson said, "As far as we're concerned, the player's
perspective, it's always the right perspective."

That being said, an option should have existed for a seriously irritated or hurt Shepard to email the LI back (for Ashley and Kaidan) stomping out any romantic possibility or tell Liara that she's changed and to never contact Shep again.

Why...That's the best unbiased opinion I've heard up here.

[Nightwriter]

Sixth Goul wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

I feel it's only cheating or not cheating within your own personal Shepard's story.  What do you think happened with the relationship after Shepard saved the Citadel?  Would that particular Shepard consider the last interaction as the final
chapter?  Would that particular Shepard be attached enough or mature/analytical enough to understand and respect the LI's reaction?  Is that Shepard impulsive or willing to wait a bit and get more information before making a "final decision"?  It's a role playing game, after all; as Mr. Hudson said, "As far as we're concerned, the player's
perspective, it's always the right perspective."

That being said, an option should have existed for a seriously irritated or hurt Shepard to email the LI back (for Ashley and Kaidan) stomping out any romantic possibility or tell Liara that she's changed and to never contact Shep again.

Why...That's the best unbiased opinion I've heard up here.

Seconded.

And in reality, the whole status of the relationship can only be determined through talking to the LI. Which they didn't let us do.

Do you consider one night of sex as qualifying as a full-fledged relationship? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

How serious is this? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

Where are we at now? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

How do we feel about each other? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

Are we still interested in the relationship? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

[langelog]

Nightwriter wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

I feel it's only cheating or not cheating within your own personal Shepard's story.  What do you think happened with the relationship after Shepard saved the Citadel?  Would that particular Shepard consider the last interaction as the final
chapter?  Would that particular Shepard be attached enough or mature/analytical enough to understand and respect the LI's reaction?  Is that Shepard impulsive or willing to wait a bit and get more information before making a "final decision"?  It's a role playing game, after all; as Mr. Hudson said, "As far as we're concerned, the player's
perspective, it's always the right perspective."

That being said, an option should have existed for a seriously irritated or hurt Shepard to email the LI back (for Ashley and Kaidan) stomping out any romantic possibility or tell Liara that she's changed and to never contact Shep again.

Why...That's the best unbiased opinion I've heard up here.

Seconded.

And in reality, the whole status of the relationship can only be determined through talking to the LI. Which they didn't let us do.

Do you consider one night of sex as qualifying as a full-fledged relationship? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

How serious is this? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

Where are we at now? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

How do we feel about each other? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

Are we still interested in the relationship? Only way to tell is to discuss it.

Maybe if they do release a Romance Pack, then we will be able to discuss it, because thats something my Shep really wants to get off his chest, as for Miranda's rack he's fine with that pressed up against his chest.

[Nightwriter]

You're a charmer, you.

[Onyx Jaguar]

This thread would be better if it was about your two LI's cheating on you with each other.

[Maria Caliban]

langelog wrote...

If you romance the human LI in ME1 and later decide to have a new romance in ME2, is it cheating?

Not at all. Even if you had feeling previously, they sort of dumped your ass. I can't see Kaiden or Ashley going 'I think you've betrayed the Alliance and your own principles, but I still want to be bed buddies.'

[casedawgz]

I don't really consider it cheating, but I fully intend to laugh when Ashley gets all pissed off that I've moved on to someone who is literally insane. Her new baggage will be epic.

[etarm]

I haven't read all of the responses in this thread, but personally, I hope the Devs include four relationship tracks in ME 3, for Sheps who:



1) stayed true to their ME1 LI,

2) pursued another LI in ME2, but want to get back together with their ME1 LI,

3) pursued another LI in ME2 and prefer that LI,

4) didn't pursue an LI in either.



Tracks 1 & 2 may converge during the game, but I would think they'd require quite a bit of dialog and likely strained relations between Shep and the ME1 LI before that happened. The important question in track 2 will be the emotional effect of Shep's ME2 relationship on the ME1 LI (regardless of whether it's considered cheating or not), and as someone pointed out, this can only be determined through dialog. A huge pertinent factor that (IMHO) remains undetermined after the ME2 endgame (post-endgame cabin visitations aside) is the depth of Shep's emotional involvement with the ME2 LI. Hopefully dialog options will be included in the scene that reunites Shep with his ME1 LI that allow us to better define how Shep feels about both LI's.

[earthbornFemShep]

Does anyone else think FemShep got shafted in ME2? I mean, Garrus wants casual sex and Jacob doesn't want anything too serious... and Thane's dying. I mean, WTF!?!



Does it count as cheating if the person died afterward?