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[falula7]

Like many of the others, I'm a huge fan of this game. It's by far the best RPG out there. I too am spoiled for other games and waiting around for DLC is agonizing!

I hope the original characters will be back for DA2. The best part of this game is the story and the development of relationships with the other characters. Awakening had too little of that, and I didn't care about any of the characters.

Bring back the original characters and make their stories more detailed for DA2! At least make it an option to choose the original group vs. any new characters.

AND... let us start the game over with our same character or at least their powers and level and gear. Starting from the beginning with nothing is frustrating. I've played all the origin stories and several characters all the way through Awakening and all current DLC. It would be awesome to start off as a level 35 in DAO!

[Carmen]

falula7 wrote...

I hope the original characters will be back for DA2. The best part of this game is the story and the development of relationships with the other characters. Awakening had too little of that, and I didn't care about any of the characters.

Bring back the original characters and make their stories more detailed for DA2! At least make it an option to choose the original group vs. any new characters.

Totally agree with the above. The characters of Dragon Age Origins are among the best acted/scripted out of any RPG I ever saw, particularly Alistair and Morrigan but also the others. On the other hand, I didn't care much for any of the new characters in Awakening, partly due to the fact that you can't have very long conversations with them, but also due to the fact that the voice acting and the dialogue (to the extent it exists in Awakenings) are simply not as good (IMHO of course).

[Behindyounow]

Why? You basically learned everything you could about the original characters, except maybe Sten and Morrigan.

[Carmen]

Perhaps we learned quite a bit about the old characters when it comes to background, but that doesn't mean they cant be expanded upon and followed up on. You could say the same thing about characters in books and movies - you pretty well know them after the movie or book ends, but does that always stop people from wanting to follow their further adventures? If that was the case, nobody would make sequels that follow upon the original story. We knew Shepard in ME1, but that didn't stop people from wanting him/her back in ME2.

Now when it comes to prequels I mostly agree that most has already been said - but not where sequels are concerned.

Modifié par Carmen, 18 juin 2010 - 09:22 .

[Master Shiori]

Seeing the original companions again would be nice.



You don't really need to go further than the fan threads to see how popular they are with the players.



Also, with more than 6 years having past since the end of Origins it would be interesting to see

how the old companions have changed in that time.

[Swoo]

Behindyounow wrote...

Why? You basically learned everything you could about the original characters, except maybe Sten and Morrigan.

Could have said exactly the same about Imoen and Viconia as well.

[Wyndham711]

I'd like DA2 to have as little as possible to do with Origins, aside from taking place in the same world. I hope we get to enjoy something fresh and new and mysterious.

[Brockololly]

Wyndham711 wrote...

I'd like DA2 to have as little as possible to do with Origins, aside from taking place in the same world. I hope we get to enjoy something fresh and new and mysterious.

Because so many mysteries were unraveled and questions were answered by the end of Origins? You can do fresh and new and mysterious without dumping everything from Origins.

[silentassassin264]

I am content starting a new story with a new character. Ferelden's story is over.

[Arttis]

Orlais story i just beginning.

Time to change thier culture.

Make enemies and allies while the trying to stop the darkspawn in the deep roads from finding the archdemon.Which in turn at the end you fight the archdemon in the deeproads and see it awaken.Defeat it and win no glory as you will die/or another at the end and no one would believe the survivors and thier stories.So you make a toast to the fallen and know That you ended a blight before it really began.

aww crap did i just spoil everyone?

[johanna76]

Wyndham711 wrote...

I'd like DA2 to have as little as possible to do with Origins, aside from taking place in the same world. I hope we get to enjoy something fresh and new and mysterious.

I understand this viewpoint, but throwing everything away and starting from scratch seems a bit radical. I have played a lot of RPGs in my day, and the reason I like Dragon Age in particular is the setting and the characters, the same factors that make me like a book or a movie. It wasn't really the game mechanics per se that I was drawn to. So if you take everything away, there is no telling whether I will like any future sequel.

I think the reason I feel like this, is that Dragon Age engages you the same way a good book does. For this reason, when I think "Dragon Age", I don't think about the skill system, the spell system, the combat system, the levelling system etc...I think of Alistair, Morrigan, the Grey Wardens etc. I really feel like I connected with some of the story's characters, which surprised me being such a jaded gamer and having played so many RPGs (particularly Alistair and...Alistair..but I digress).

I think people's desire for either continuity of the story line or a fresh start is often related to whether it is the detailed storyline itself that attracts them to the game in the first place, or rather technical factors that are independent of the story itself. I guess a third option is that people are simply interested in the Dragon Age world in general but without focusing on this particular timeframe/characters. Not having read any of the books, and not knowing about this world rather than from the actual games, I am not in a position to have opinions on that.

I think a middle ground would be the best option, where maybe you get many of the old companions back as playable characters, but the story takes place somewhere else in the Dragon Age world.

[Arttis]

Meet morrigan in orlais come on it was in one of the epilogue*implied at least*

[robotnist]

i feel for you on the waiting for DLC. i just wish bioware could do what bethesda did with fallout 3. they had one badass DLC after the other every other month!!! and they were big quality items!!!

i just seems like the DLC for DA doesnt increase the playability of the campaign, they just keep adding minor side stories that don't connect...



its very deflating. i mean i can at least say with the darkspawn DLC that it was building future stories (even though i did not play/buy it). but with the leliana DLC, its just an insular flashback???



i wish they were adding explorable space to the main game...

[DespiertaLosNinos]

Wyndham711 wrote...

I'd like DA2 to have as little as possible to do with Origins, aside from taking place in the same world. I hope we get to enjoy something fresh and new and mysterious.

I'm with you on this one.

New characters, new location, new story, and different point in the time-line.

I liked DA: O a great deal, but its done and over with (excluding possible DLC and expansions).  I really am surprised by how many people actively dislike the idea of something new....mmmyep

[falula7]

etherhonky wrote...

i just seems like the DLC for DA doesnt increase the playability of the campaign, they just keep adding minor side stories that don't connect...

its very deflating. i mean i can at least say with the darkspawn DLC that it was building future stories (even though i did not play/buy it). but with the leliana DLC, its just an insular flashback???

i wish they were adding explorable space to the main game...

Totally agree! Let us explore more of the original world with the original characters and connect the DLC to the main story line. While we are at it... Let the the PCP speak!! Why can we speak in ME,  but not in DA?! So weird! LOL!

[Fntsybks]

falula7 wrote...

I hope the original characters will be back for DA2. The best part of this game is the story and the development of relationships with the other characters. Awakening had too little of that, and I didn't care about any of the characters.

Bring back the original characters and make their stories more detailed for DA2! At least make it an option to choose the original group vs. any new characters.

AND... let us start the game over with our same character or at least their powers and level and gear. Starting from the beginning with nothing is frustrating. I've played all the origin stories and several characters all the way through Awakening and all current DLC. It would be awesome to start off as a level 35 in DAO!

I think that we should see at least some of the old party members again - but only a few. Oghren is done, as is Wynne and Sten. Morrigan, because of her story, is a must, but Alistair would be hard - most people have him as a king, and so he wouldn't really go off adventuring. For the others, it kinda depends on where Bioware sets the story, Zevran if its in Antiva, Leliana if in Orlais. I wouldn't mind a Mass Effect type model, with some party members returning and others done.

As for starting at the current level... no. I don't want to be mean or anything, but why would you want 30+ abilities? This isn't WoW, with different abilities for PvP or PvE, and so it would just be overkill. We are already insanely powerful... think how many bandits our PC can kill... do we really need to level 15 more times? I think Mass Effect is, again, a decent template, as returning players started at a low, but not negligible, level; I think it was 5 or something. The alternative is to have a new character, which would work just as well. 

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am content starting a new story with a new character. Ferelden's story is over.

While I don't really care on new character/old, it needs to be set outside of Ferelden, preferably in Tevinter

[ladydesire]

falula7 wrote...

 Let the the PCP speak!! Why can we speak in ME,  but not in DA?! So weird! LOL!

There are only two possible players in Mass Effect; one male, one female. It's been said that voice acting for the PC (like a multi-player game option) will reduce the scope of the story by the amount they have to pay the voice actors, since at minimum the game would need 6 voice actors (three male, three female) for the PC.

[MindYerBeak]

If DA2 has completely new characters then fans will be screaming for their return in DA3. Face it, folks, Origins is over and done with, done and dusted. Time for something new. Even the DLCs can't better the original. I'd like to see completely new characters for DA2. None of the characters appealed to me as much as Imoen did in BG1. They were interesting enough but it was the storyline and gameplay which carried them through, not their personalities. Leliana was a Froggie with a bad accent, Alistair came across as a bit of a twit, Sten had a terrible attitude, Oghren was boring, and Morrigan also had too much of a selfish attitude. As good as DA characters were they had not a patch on BG1/NWN characters. It was the fancy graphics and cinematics that carried them through the game. None of them was outstanding to the point that Imoen and Co. were. Do a modern remake of BG1 and you'd really have an RPG to be proud of. Nothing will ever beat the original.



And why start with a level 20 character? That defeats the whole object of an RPG, where you start from scratch and build yourself up to something powerful. Starting at level 20 is the lazy man's option.

[Master Shiori]

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

I'm with you on this one.

New characters, new location, new story, and different point in the time-line.

I liked DA: O a great deal, but its done and over with (excluding possible DLC and expansions).  I really am surprised by how many people actively dislike the idea of something new....mmmyep

Ok, I really don't get the bold part.

Thedas, as a setting, is a complete mystery to us at this point. What we learned in Origins and Awakening just scratched the tip of the iceberg.

There is a whole world out there that we know nothing about, characters to meet, stories to tell, etc. All of these things can be done just fine without time shifts. Hell, you could have the next game take place at exactly the same time as DA:O, but in a new country with new characters and a story unrelated to the Blight and darkspawn.
Even if you're going for direct continuation you only need to have your story take place several years after Awakening.

The whole "go forward to a different time/age" only makes sense if every details of the setting has been explored and almost every possible story told, so you need to make a time jump in order to give yourself a clean slate.
This is hardly the case with Dragon Age.

[Arttis]

How do you know its only the tip you could have learned most of the world of thedas in Origins....you never know right?

[Master Shiori]

MindYerBeak wrote...

If DA2 has completely new characters then fans will be screaming for their return in DA3. Face it, folks, Origins is over and done with, done and dusted. Time for something new. Even the DLCs can't better the original. I'd like to see completely new characters for DA2. None of the characters appealed to me as much as Imoen did in BG1. They were interesting enough but it was the storyline and gameplay which carried them through, not their personalities. Leliana was a Froggie with a bad accent, Alistair came across as a bit of a twit, Sten had a terrible attitude, Oghren was boring, and Morrigan also had too much of a selfish attitude. As good as DA characters were they had not a patch on BG1/NWN characters. It was the fancy graphics and cinematics that carried them through the game. None of them was outstanding to the point that Imoen and Co. were. Do a modern remake of BG1 and you'd really have an RPG to be proud of. Nothing will ever beat the original.

And why start with a level 20 character? That defeats the whole object of an RPG, where you start from scratch and build yourself up to something powerful. Starting at level 20 is the lazy man's option.

For me the reason I love DA:O characters so much is exactly because of the flaws you listed. That's what makes them truly human in my mind. 
And the personalities of the companions is what people love. Just check the topics about individual characters or ask anyone who played DA:O what is the first thing that comes to mind when he/she thinks about the game. 
Gameplay mechanics, levels, specializations, combat? No.
Story and characters? Yes.

Levels, equipment and abilities don't matter. What matters is your character's history, sense of accomplishment, friendships and romances. This is what people want to see carry over. As long as that happens I'll be more than happy to relevel my Warden from scratch.

[Swoo]

Face it, folks, Origins is over and done with, done and dusted. Time for something new.

That argument doesn't work when they continuously keep dropping 'And the story is far from over' and '...not the last the lands heard of the Warden', or having Bioware employees saying things like certain NPC's are going to be back in future games. People can talk continuation because that's one of the options they have made it very clear they are keeping open. If it was such a foregone conclusion, they wouldn't have scrapped the Ultimate Sacrifice as the only ending during production and added in ways to keep the Warden alive, and then worked it so at the end of Awakenings all Warden paths lead to exactly the same spot.

It's very possible we do go the no continuation/new story route, but it's far from such a sure thing that discussion is a waste of breath.

None of the characters appealed to me as much as Imoen did in BG1.

Really? She had nothing to her in Baldurs Gate 1. It was recycled dialogue from a cut NPC, and she didn't even have any conversations/throw-downs with the other NPCs because of it. Hell, did she even talk after Candlekeep?

Now, if we want to talk about the growth her character went from BG1 to BG2, by all means. I was absolutely shocked how much she changed, and what an awesome character she was in the second game compared to the first.

I find the Baldur's Gate comparisons very appropriate though. Does anyone remember the dark ages of internet fandom when you could not talk BG2 continuation/reboot without everyone going into a complete fervor? The fan flamewars about how each game should be in a certain part of Faerun with all new casts (because the Bhaalspawn story is finished! Nowhere to go with THAT.) and incorporating more book characters into the games.

Heh, as bad as these forums may get, Dragon's Age doesn't have Drizzt Do'Urden, so we are lightweight forum warriors around here.

And why start with a level 20 character?

I never get these posts either. They aren't going to ship a new game and make people sort through 20-35 levels worth of skills, talents, points, and whatnot. If they go the importation route, they will work something in like ME2, or just handwave you back to level one. The PC is as powerful as the story says he is, not what the level says.

Personally, it's my choices and actions, my history with my companions, and the draw of my PC that I connect to in these games. The gear, levels, and 'cool skills' are all well and nice and I enjoy getting them, but they don't make or break the experience for me. If all I cared about what getting the next big sword, I'd go waste years with World of Warcraft or pop in my Diablo disks (which I love because it's mindless fun, no shame!).

[KenSink]

It'll probably be like ME2 where they bring back a handful of favorites.

So...

Shale's probably out, Leliana can be left behind, Dog can be left behind, Alistair can be killed along with L, Morrigan's doing her thing, Wynne can be killed, Zevey-poo can betray you... huh, guess that just leaves Oghren again.

[Arttis]

Master Shiori wrote...

MindYerBeak wrote...

If DA2 has completely new characters then fans will be screaming for their return in DA3. Face it, folks, Origins is over and done with, done and dusted. Time for something new. Even the DLCs can't better the original. I'd like to see completely new characters for DA2. None of the characters appealed to me as much as Imoen did in BG1. They were interesting enough but it was the storyline and gameplay which carried them through, not their personalities. Leliana was a Froggie with a bad accent, Alistair came across as a bit of a twit, Sten had a terrible attitude, Oghren was boring, and Morrigan also had too much of a selfish attitude. As good as DA characters were they had not a patch on BG1/NWN characters. It was the fancy graphics and cinematics that carried them through the game. None of them was outstanding to the point that Imoen and Co. were. Do a modern remake of BG1 and you'd really have an RPG to be proud of. Nothing will ever beat the original.

And why start with a level 20 character? That defeats the whole object of an RPG, where you start from scratch and build yourself up to something powerful. Starting at level 20 is the lazy man's option.

For me the reason I love DA:O characters so much is exactly because of the flaws you listed. That's what makes them truly human in my mind. 
And the personalities of the companions is what people love. Just check the topics about individual characters or ask anyone who played DA:O what is the first thing that comes to mind when he/she thinks about the game. 
Gameplay mechanics, levels, specializations, combat? No.
Story and characters? Yes.

Levels, equipment and abilities don't matter. What matters is your character's history, sense of accomplishment, friendships and romances. This is what people want to see carry over. As long as that happens I'll be more than happy to relevel my Warden from scratch.

I think a lot of people play this game because of its replayability.
I do and i find a lot of people challenging themselves replaying.
Character history friends and romance are nice the first few times but levels skills and equipment keep us playing long after.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I don't think that these characters should come back: Sten, Oghren, Zevran, Shale (unless she was her new self...), Wynne, and Leliana. They either seem insignificant, or they are doing their own thing like in the case of Sten, Wynne, and Shale. I want the next game to include Alistair (I wish Loghain took his place, though), Morrigan, and some of the better characters from Awakening (only played the beginning due to all the issues). In the case of the two LI's (Leliana and Zevran), I guess it will depend on what the next game will be about. If the warden's quest ends with Awakening and Origins, I think that Zevran and Leliana will no longer be in the sequel.