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[Xandurpein]

Eva Galana wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Eva Galana wrote...

2. In game (this holds true for all of the origins) have more talk about the PC. But, especially with a noble. Regardless of the fact that he/she is now a grey warden, they were nobles far longer, and still expect some respect. I hate that there is no real discussion with anyone (even those who are being romanced) about the PC him/herself. I mean, really - Arl Eamon doesn't even acknowledge the bloodline, and Teagan only barely. Really!

I thought the point was that you forfit your past life to become a warden, like the legion of the dead, so to have people talk to you as a noble wouldn't really make sense, and none of the other origins really demand such treatment except DN in Orzammar, which was done really well anyway. But a bit more agknowledgment from the right people would be nice, like Irving treating a returning mage pretty much the same as any other character is annoying, and your Eamon example, and your romance asking about your Origin might be nice but I can understand not all the companions asking, having the same conversation would get tiresome after so many times.

Oh, I know the whole leaving your life behind thing. But, what if your noble didn't want to become a warden (the HMN I'm running now didn't and fights it constantly); besides, not everyone out there knows the grey warden rules.

And, you so get what I'm saying!  Yes to the mage example!  I also guess I just wished our companions would ask questions other than "what are you doing about the blight?": or "What do you think your responsibilities as a grey warden are?"  I mean c'mon! They live it every day!  How about a normal conversation like "how are you doing?"  After all, the PC asks everyone else that, but no one asks him/her!

Sheesh!

I think that it's mostly due to game mechanics that the companions don't ask you about your feelings. Imagine after the Landsmeet and a companion asks how you feel. How can the writers even begin to write player responses that covers all possible feelings a player may have of triumph, regret or dismay?

It would be totally immersion breaking to only be able to choose from lines that didn't fit your actual feelings and really hard to cover all possibilities. It's almost impossible to focus the dialogue on the payers feelings  in the conversation system and not force you to become a spectator to your character saying things you don't feel.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 20 juin 2010 - 10:45 .

[Aulis Vaara]

I would totally save Iona. Stupid pretty girl opening that door, besides, I can use a lady in waiting.

[maxernst]

Xandurpein wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

3) The ability to claim the throne for myself. My Teynir was #1 contender behind the King before this mess - I've got a legit claim. If Alistair doesn't want it, and Anora is not of noble birth, I should be able to take it.

Unfortunately you don't have the political power to get away with it. You don't have enough allies to do it. you are not even the oldest Cousland. Your only real claim is your status as war hero, and Loghain's regency just made the people of Ferelden a bit cautious about letting a new war hero get power.

Actually, I'd like an option to persuade Fergus to marry Anora.  Oh, and with respect to the Grey Wardens, I think the potential conflict of interest is a major reason for a Warden not to be King.  You can't have your king running off to fight a blight in a foreign land when there's a domestic crisis or a war going on. 

Modifié par maxernst, 20 juin 2010 - 04:55 .

[Xandurpein]

maxernst wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

3) The ability to claim the throne for myself. My Teynir was #1 contender behind the King before this mess - I've got a legit claim. If Alistair doesn't want it, and Anora is not of noble birth, I should be able to take it.

Unfortunately you don't have the political power to get away with it. You don't have enough allies to do it. you are not even the oldest Cousland. Your only real claim is your status as war hero, and Loghain's regency just made the people of Ferelden a bit cautious about letting a new war hero get power.

Actually, I'd like an option to persuade Fergus to marry Anora.  Oh, and with respect to the Grey Wardens, I think the potential conflict of interest is a major reason for a Warden not to be King.  You can't have your king running off to fight a blight in a foreign land when there's a domestic crisis or a war going on. 

It's a nice idea, unfortunatley no one knows if Fergus is alive or not, when you make the arrangements with Anora.

[Sarah1281]

maxernst wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

3) The ability to claim the throne for myself. My Teynir was #1 contender behind the King before this mess - I've got a legit claim. If Alistair doesn't want it, and Anora is not of noble birth, I should be able to take it.

Unfortunately you don't have the political power to get away with it. You don't have enough allies to do it. you are not even the oldest Cousland. Your only real claim is your status as war hero, and Loghain's regency just made the people of Ferelden a bit cautious about letting a new war hero get power.

Actually, I'd like an option to persuade Fergus to marry Anora.  Oh, and with respect to the Grey Wardens, I think the potential conflict of interest is a major reason for a Warden not to be King.  You can't have your king running off to fight a blight in a foreign land when there's a domestic crisis or a war going on. 

This Blight is in Ferelden and you can be reasonably sure that Alistair won't run off to Orlais or whatever if he has duties as King just because another Blight appeared which is highly unlikely. If you mean your PC then they are only a consort and as long as the regent is on the throne you could run off and help...but you don't have to because you do have another position and Orlais or whatever other country has their own Wardens.

[Giggles_Manically]

Where the hell is Fergus this entire time!? I mean where could he be hiding in Ferelden and not hear what is happening? Everyone hears rumors pretty well it seems so why not go to Redcliffe and wait for you sibling to show up, or send word through Eamon?

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Where the hell is Fergus this entire time!? I mean where could he be hiding in Ferelden and not hear what is happening? Everyone hears rumors pretty well it seems so why not go to Redcliffe and wait for you sibling to show up, or send word through Eamon?

Fergus: I never made it to the battle at Ostagar. We were still scouting in the Wilds when we were attacked by a party of darkspawn. Most of my men were killed. I woke up two weeks later in a Chasind hut, wounded and feverish. By the time I was able to sneak out of the Wilds, you were already marching to Denerim. (VO: This is a bad memory for him) I tried to get word to Highever. You can imagine what happened, I suppose (VO: Pleased that it's all over now).

While it's ridiculous that it would have taken him a year to recuperate the fact he says that he had to 'sneak out' of the Wilds makes me think that the Chasind weren't letting him leave for whatever reason. Possibly Flemeth didn't want him distracting the HN Warden? 

[RogueWriter3201]

It's been said to death already, I know, but it *would* have been exceptionaly nice to be able to do something about Iona's daughter Amithyne. What really burns me about the whole thing is I could of sworn I read something in a past thread about Gaider, or Christina, or one of the other writers putting in a side-quest where you get one of Female Elfs in the Alienage to adopt Amithyne as well as give her a good Sum of Coin, letting her believe her mother left it behind for her. Please, don't quote me on that. Would have been nice if that hadn't ended up on the cutting room floor...

As to other things I would have liked to see? Well, another point made here in the Thread was the desire for there to have been...*something* more between Anora and the Male Cousland before you suggest marrige. When you speak with her in Eamon's estate, after either being arrested or killing Ser Cauthrien, her dialogue suggests that she's somewhat taken with you; even though it's present for all the Origin characters there is that extra piece of dialogue where you ask her, "Is there anything else I can do for you?" And her response is hesitant, as if she's going to ask you something...private, than reconsiders. From an RP perspective one could surmise that she might have even been considering asking you to Bed her (she has been without a husband for a year, and she *is* a strong, independant woman) however, that's really all about perspective.

That aside, it would have been nice for some extra dialogue, maybe along the line of, "You know. This isn't the first time we've met." When Anora inquires about what you mean you could tell her that on a previous visit to Denerim you got a bit lost in the Palace and happened upon Anora reading in solitude by a fountain, or under a window in the study; something Romantic. You can than indicate that you thought she was the most beautiful woman you'd ever seen, and so forth. It would at least set the foundation as to why you wanted to marry her other than for political reason, or flat out Sex with a Queen. Also, yes, it would have been nice to have something more than her 1 minute visit in Awakening. Yes, you get the Epilogue card about returning to Denerim and being, "Greeted by the Queen," but it's just so empty.

Lastly, the confrontation with Arl Howe, though brillaintly performed by Tim Curry, could have had *much* more dialogue, especially in the close after felling him. Would have even been amazing to get a little cut scene where you decapitate him or pin him to one of the pillars in the dungeon with your Family's Sword. Something. It's a moment in the game that, though heavy, still felt like it could have garnered a greater climax.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

3) The ability to claim the throne for myself. My Teynir was #1 contender behind the King before this mess - I've got a legit claim. If Alistair doesn't want it, and Anora is not of noble birth, I should be able to take it.

Unfortunately you don't have the political power to get away with it. You don't have enough allies to do it. you are not even the oldest Cousland. Your only real claim is your status as war hero, and Loghain's regency just made the people of Ferelden a bit cautious about letting a new war hero get power.

Actually, I'd like an option to persuade Fergus to marry Anora.  Oh, and with respect to the Grey Wardens, I think the potential conflict of interest is a major reason for a Warden not to be King.  You can't have your king running off to fight a blight in a foreign land when there's a domestic crisis or a war going on. 

This Blight is in Ferelden and you can be reasonably sure that Alistair won't run off to Orlais or whatever if he has duties as King just because another Blight appeared which is highly unlikely. If you mean your PC then they are only a consort and as long as the regent is on the throne you could run off and help...but you don't have to because you do have another position and Orlais or whatever other country has their own Wardens.

I guess I see the Warden commitment as more absolute than that.  I think the reason they don't recognize oher titles and discourage Wardens from marrying and having families is that they don't recognzie that you have other duties--it's an imperative to do everything you can against the blight.  And while this blight is in Ferelden now, but do we have any idea what governs the movements of the Archdemon?  What prevents it from heading west instead of to Denervim?  What if it decides to cut its losses and fly off in the middle of the battle?  Well into the 20th century, many Americans feared that electing a catholic president would mean that the U.S. government would be controlled from the Vatican.  I think it's quite reasonable to think that people in Ferelden might have concerns about a King with an absolute commitment to an extra-national organization.  I suppose you're correct that these objections don't apply to a prince consort only a reigning monarch.

As far as Fergus, there's no plot point that hinges on him waiting until the coronation to appear.  He could show up at the Landsmeet (and logically should) to claim his rightful place as Teyrn, in which case he'd be available to marry Anora at the key time.  I suppose you could try and get her to marry him as a boon to you, but your leverage on Anora isn't enough, then.  Still think that the union of the families ruling both Teyrn's would be a very strong political move.

[Xandurpein]

I think that Fergus not showing up until the Post Coronation is important for the overall feel of the whole story. As long as Fergus is gone, the Cousland is laden with the pressure of being the last of his/her line, which is great from a storytelling point of view, imo. Seeing Fergus alive was one of the best things of the whole Post Coronation scene and it would be sad to give that away too soon.



I hope I don't come off as too negative, but I don't want to break anything that is good either.

[Xandurpein]

glenboy24 wrote...

As to other things I would have liked to see? Well, another point made here in the Thread was the desire for there to have been...*something* more between Anora and the Male Cousland before you suggest marrige. When you speak with her in Eamon's estate, after either being arrested or killing Ser Cauthrien, her dialogue suggests that she's somewhat taken with you; even though it's present for all the Origin characters there is that extra piece of dialogue where you ask her, "Is there anything else I can do for you?" And her response is hesitant, as if she's going to ask you something...private, than reconsiders. From an RP perspective one could surmise that she might have even been considering asking you to Bed her (she has been without a husband for a year, and she *is* a strong, independant woman) however, that's really all about perspective.

That aside, it would have been nice for some extra dialogue, maybe along the line of, "You know. This isn't the first time we've met." When Anora inquires about what you mean you could tell her that on a previous visit to Denerim you got a bit lost in the Palace and happened upon Anora reading in solitude by a fountain, or under a window in the study; something Romantic. You can than indicate that you thought she was the most beautiful woman you'd ever seen, and so forth. It would at least set the foundation as to why you wanted to marry her other than for political reason, or flat out Sex with a Queen. Also, yes, it would have been nice to have something more than her 1 minute visit in Awakening. Yes, you get the Epilogue card about returning to Denerim and being, "Greeted by the Queen," but it's just so empty. 

I am definitely not uninterested in a possible romantic twist on the Anora/Cousland marriage. My sginature should really tell you that. Seriously, I seem to be virtually the only person at all who write fanfics about that pairing.

But there are limits to what you can do in the game and stay true to the characters. Whatever you may wish to tell Anora withing the scope of the Orgins story, simply won't affect your relationship with Anora in a meaningful way I think. Anora is a politician and you are proposing a political alliance with her. It would take a very long time of friendship and trust before you could ever make someone like her accept a marriage for any other reason, and there is simply not room for that in the game.

Realistically all you could hope for is to be able to tell her how beautiful she is only to have her scorn at you for your obvious attempt at flattery. She may even interpret it as a anattempt to seduce her into giving you more power than she is prepared to give.

The most realistic way to her heart would be throgh proving that you are loyal and worthy of her trust. Remember, you have to prove that you are her friend and not her worst enemy. She is prbably a bit lonely so if you do play fair I don't see why a good natured Cousland can't end up being friends with her, which may in time lead to deeper fellings, but there just isn't time to explore that within the game. Nor is it likely to be in future games, sadly, as that is hard to see how it could be done witohut making her a companion, which seems hard to justify.

One possible way to justify it, would be a DLC in which the Warden and the Queen is travelling together on some state occasion and their retinue is ambushed by some evil doers. The Warden can rescue the Queen (or King if Alistair is King). This could justify having Anora as a temporary companion and would be playable with any Warden, but could include a few extra conversations for a Warden married to Anora. 

I shall end my rant here. I'm a great fan of the Anora/Cousland marriage and I think Anora is a great character, but if we do see it developed in the game I'd like it done properly, else I prefer they just gloss it over and leave it to our imagination. 

/Edit. Feel free to copy my Anora signature if you want "img299.imageshack.us/img299/5060/anorasig3.jpg"

Modifié par Xandurpein, 21 juin 2010 - 09:02 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I cant ever seem to marry Anora since my Couslands are either well female, or berserkers. The last thing Ferelden needs is a berserker on the throne.

[Asdara]

Xandurpein wrote...

I think that Fergus not showing up until the Post Coronation is important for the overall feel of the whole story. As long as Fergus is gone, the Cousland is laden with the pressure of being the last of his/her line, which is great from a storytelling point of view, imo. Seeing Fergus alive was one of the best things of the whole Post Coronation scene and it would be sad to give that away too soon.

I hope I don't come off as too negative, but I don't want to break anything that is good either.

Seeing Fergus during the coronation is one of the best AND most annoying things at the end.  It is great he's alive - but you've practically forgotten him, or thought of him as dead - there aren't enough dialog reminders to keep him at the front of your mind - and it's sooo convenient that he just shows up all better at the last moment that I was a little WTF WERE YOU?! <_<

[Ulicus]

I'd change things so that Fergus was encountered during the story... having become a ghoul. His return was ridiculously cheap. I'd have preferred nothing over that.

Nero280 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why wouldn't she? Inexperience would make him less of a threat, it's a political marriage anyway and it would help her secure her throne no matter what age he was (as long as it wasn't creepy-young), and she's not actually thirty just in her late twenties so it wouldn't be ten years anyway.

True, but I can't stand the thought of playing an 18 year old Warden.

In context, an eighteen year old in that sort of setting isn't anywhere near as "young" as a real-life eighteen year old today is.

That said, I usually envision the HN Warden as being bang on 20. Mainly because that's how old the protagonist from Baldur's Gate was at the start of the game... but, honestly, anywhere between 18-20 seems like it would fit and fit well. That he's thrust into the role of saviour so young isn't exactly unlikely in a fantasy story -- Luke Skywalker was only eighteen-going-on-ninteteen when he joined the Rebel Alliance and blew up the Death Star.

Modifié par Ulicus, 21 juin 2010 - 01:33 .

[Chuvvy]

Return to highever.

Paragon interrupt with Iona/Derric (I assume he dies in a similar fashion.)

More badassery when killing Howe.

The ability to tell Alistair to grow a pair. I just lost my entire family, you lost some old guy that you knew for six months.

Knowing Calin personally, I feel like they would have met a few times.

[Carmen_Willow]

Slidell505 wrote...

Knowing Calin personally, I feel like they would have met a few times.

Particularly since Calin probably would have "gone on progress: around his kingdom a few times during his reign and probably would have stayed with the Couslands when doing so. 

[rwilli80]

The Blight is an alagory for the Crusades. Kings and Nobles constantly traveled to and from Jerusalam to fight the Muslims. I would assume since the Blight is a threat to all humanity even warring countries could put their differences aside to combat a greater threat. Even King Ricard traveled through France and other European enemy nations to fightin the Crusades so why couldn't the Ruler of Ferelden (who is a Grey Warden) cross into hostile territory to fight the Blight.

I would have liked a return to Highever to give your parents and Duncan a proper memorial service. Hey did anyone else wonder what happened to Duncan after Ostagar.. I mean you have Calien crucifed but there is nothing left of Duncan.. did they eat him? Drag him into the ground? I haven't played Awakening yet, but wouldn't it be cool if you had to fight Duncan as some sort of possessed Darkspawn pawn or something?

Modifié par rwilli80, 21 juin 2010 - 04:54 .