Yeah, that's right. As a biotic, I should be able to spam pull one right after the other with no wait. Better yet, nothing but Reave. All the time. <_<ExtremeOne wrote...
I have a idea take this stupid cool down crap off the Biotics because its clear biotics are suppose the ME Universe version of the Jedi.
Inventory & Looting in ME3: Building Consensus (2)
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#126
Posté 13 août 2010 - 12:52
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#127
Posté 13 août 2010 - 04:25
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Pacifien wrote...
Yeah, that's right. As a biotic, I should be able to spam pull one right after the other with no wait. Better yet, nothing but Reave. All the time. <_<ExtremeOne wrote...
I have a idea take this stupid cool down crap off the Biotics because its clear biotics are suppose the ME Universe version of the Jedi.
maybe you need to read what i said before answering it with that stupid elitist gamer bull sh*t
#128
Posté 13 août 2010 - 07:11
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hmm i like most of these idea's but don't like the thermal clip one. I mean why make a thermal clip system more technical then it should be, its not like the thermal clip gameplay right now is broken why fix it?
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Posté 13 août 2010 - 01:22
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I'm sorry, my intelligence is lacking. Perhaps you can explain to me what you were trying to say in terms a five year old could understand.ExtremeOne wrote...
Pacifien wrote...
Yeah, that's right. As a biotic, I should be able to spam pull one right after the other with no wait. Better yet, nothing but Reave. All the time. <_<ExtremeOne wrote...
I have a idea take this stupid cool down crap off the Biotics because its clear biotics are suppose the ME Universe version of the Jedi.
maybe you need to read what i said before answering it with that stupid elitist gamer bull sh*t
#130
Posté 13 août 2010 - 02:33
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ExtremeOne wrote...
I have a idea take this stupid cool down crap off the Biotics because its clear biotics are suppose the ME Universe version of the Jedi.
Cool downs were in ME1. What I would like to see is a return to cool downs similar to ME1. I like the timing cool down for powers just not universal cool down.
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Posté 13 août 2010 - 07:18
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NICKjnp wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
I have a idea take this stupid cool down crap off the Biotics because its clear biotics are suppose the ME Universe version of the Jedi.
Cool downs were in ME1. What I would like to see is a return to cool downs similar to ME1. I like the timing cool down for powers just not universal cool down.
cool down still do not make any sense in a game where Biotics are suppose to be all powerful anyway.
#132
Posté 16 août 2010 - 06:21
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wow with all this stuff going into me3 wonder if bioware can pull it off haha :DD i hope they listen to these threads
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 07:48
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I prefer the way Mass Effect 2 handled inventory/upgrades over Mass Effect 1 – and most other RPGs, for that matter. I'm impressed that people in this thread have come up with such elaborate alternatives, but I do hope Bioware sticks with its move to streamline things rather than include complexity for its own sake.
Also, I really like the fact that cooldown is visible on your reticle. Again, nice streamlining. If being able to combo/spam powers is such a big deal, I could see shifting to a system in which each power takes away a certain percentage of a constantly-refilling cooldown meter, appearing over the reticle as a kind of pie chart – Pull depletes 1/4, Throw depletes 1/4, Reave depletes 3/4, so you could do a Pull/Throw combo but not fit a Reave until you wait a second for it to replenish a bit – but I'd be sad to see it go any more complex than that. ME2 was such a nice improvement in visual interface for such things.
Also, I really like the fact that cooldown is visible on your reticle. Again, nice streamlining. If being able to combo/spam powers is such a big deal, I could see shifting to a system in which each power takes away a certain percentage of a constantly-refilling cooldown meter, appearing over the reticle as a kind of pie chart – Pull depletes 1/4, Throw depletes 1/4, Reave depletes 3/4, so you could do a Pull/Throw combo but not fit a Reave until you wait a second for it to replenish a bit – but I'd be sad to see it go any more complex than that. ME2 was such a nice improvement in visual interface for such things.
#135
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 03:59
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I love you Ecael
This is why the community is such a valuable resource for developers and they are (and should) paying more and more attention to us.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 04:25
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Switch cool down for Fatigue for Biotics. Even Samara and Jack got tired of prolonged biotic powers. Jedi's can't sustain their powers either and it depends on how skilled they are at the force.
I have no idea --- ME1 was strange to me that you had weapon with unlimited ammo but then as I excepted this as an ME rule... I got used to the idea and liked it in the end.
Then came ME2... in which realistically, you had Ammo depletion... in which case it was more realistic. Made you act more conservative with the trigger and had you almost scavenging for the other guy's gear.
Looting/Inventory. I do believe this was a change by individuals who didn't like the menu/items/upgrade system of ME1 with its knack for filling your inventory with junk while on a mission. That was a BW decision based on player consensus so... either the consensus must change or the fix is not what the complainers in the peanut gallery wanted.
Your substitution for it was buying augmented upgrades and a " Make-your-own" personal armor option which...had a great positive yet at what cost?
So you know the changes have pos - neg results.
I have no idea --- ME1 was strange to me that you had weapon with unlimited ammo but then as I excepted this as an ME rule... I got used to the idea and liked it in the end.
Then came ME2... in which realistically, you had Ammo depletion... in which case it was more realistic. Made you act more conservative with the trigger and had you almost scavenging for the other guy's gear.
Looting/Inventory. I do believe this was a change by individuals who didn't like the menu/items/upgrade system of ME1 with its knack for filling your inventory with junk while on a mission. That was a BW decision based on player consensus so... either the consensus must change or the fix is not what the complainers in the peanut gallery wanted.
Your substitution for it was buying augmented upgrades and a " Make-your-own" personal armor option which...had a great positive yet at what cost?
So you know the changes have pos - neg results.
#137
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 04:47
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MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Switch cool down for Fatigue for Biotics. Even Samara and Jack got tired of prolonged biotic powers. Jedi's can't sustain their powers either and it depends on how skilled they are at the force.
Hmm, old-school system "coold down + 'mana'" could be more realistic for biotics, but how it will work in shooter?
Escael, you do not mind that we discuss gameplay in this thread?
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Posté 14 octobre 2010 - 03:27
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Sandal-cal=epic.
Anyways. A few things I wish to criticize.
1. The thermal clips it's an okay idea. Bioware could post your idea as an upgrade to ME2's "upgrade" from ME1. However, I was under the impression that the thermal clips gathered the heat and had no way to cool down during combat because the thermal clip is contained in the gun, there's no way to dissipate the heat by design. Thus by "reloading" the spent material is ejected and now you can fire again.
The thermal clip changes would have to have the ergonomics of the guns updated. Which they technically did in Me2, but rather used the same models then reskinned and renamed them. Which they'd probably do again for ME3, I dunno it just doesn't sit right with me. If anything it seems more complex then necessary.
2. Auto reloading. I can understand why someone would want this feature. But I don't understand why someone would think it's a good idea. I've run into situations in ME2 (or any first person shooter multiplayer on the market right now) where my current weapon has no ammo and for tactical reasons I decide that the enemy in front of me who has a loaded gun and has probably saw me needs a knife to the face. I'd get killed if I was in an auto reload situation. I've had situations where I ran out of ammo and Harbinger or a few husks snuck up on me and I had to melee quickly. I guess in a cover based 3rd person shooter, and with such short reload animations, it's relatively harmless but I think it hinders your flexibility in combat if you're scripted to reload. Especially if thermal clips are universal. For example if you used your last sniper clip but want to immediately save it for an assault rifle or shotgun you spend it on the sniper rifle. And you could be fighting husks in close quarters the rest of the mission.
3. I noticed one thing on your items picture under the Consumables heading. You had schematics for weapons or upgrades. And for what I have to say is no, no no no no no no no. Item crafting has no business here. In Dragon Age it worked because it fits the atmosphere and whatever you want to roleplay. And the crafting items were proliferous (sp?) enough so that you didn't need to scrounge for it. In Fallout 3, it worked because you literally only have the clothes on your back and you need to survive on what you can scavenge. Here it doesn't work. For in-story reasons, Shepard should not be in want of items even if he manages to ****** off the entire galaxy and any omni-tool with an extranet connection should have all of these and I believe able to make it with omni-gel, why does Shepard have to BUY any of these? Gameplay reasons, well you don't really need a crafting skill in your stats but schematics imply a mess of crafting only items. Where would the player get these, how will they be organized, how easy are they to obtain, how and where do you craft items? Or we could simplify it by paying X resources for Y amount of Z consumable item/upgrade but by that logic we can already "craft" Grunt a shotgun.
Anyways. A few things I wish to criticize.
1. The thermal clips it's an okay idea. Bioware could post your idea as an upgrade to ME2's "upgrade" from ME1. However, I was under the impression that the thermal clips gathered the heat and had no way to cool down during combat because the thermal clip is contained in the gun, there's no way to dissipate the heat by design. Thus by "reloading" the spent material is ejected and now you can fire again.
The thermal clip changes would have to have the ergonomics of the guns updated. Which they technically did in Me2, but rather used the same models then reskinned and renamed them. Which they'd probably do again for ME3, I dunno it just doesn't sit right with me. If anything it seems more complex then necessary.
2. Auto reloading. I can understand why someone would want this feature. But I don't understand why someone would think it's a good idea. I've run into situations in ME2 (or any first person shooter multiplayer on the market right now) where my current weapon has no ammo and for tactical reasons I decide that the enemy in front of me who has a loaded gun and has probably saw me needs a knife to the face. I'd get killed if I was in an auto reload situation. I've had situations where I ran out of ammo and Harbinger or a few husks snuck up on me and I had to melee quickly. I guess in a cover based 3rd person shooter, and with such short reload animations, it's relatively harmless but I think it hinders your flexibility in combat if you're scripted to reload. Especially if thermal clips are universal. For example if you used your last sniper clip but want to immediately save it for an assault rifle or shotgun you spend it on the sniper rifle. And you could be fighting husks in close quarters the rest of the mission.
3. I noticed one thing on your items picture under the Consumables heading. You had schematics for weapons or upgrades. And for what I have to say is no, no no no no no no no. Item crafting has no business here. In Dragon Age it worked because it fits the atmosphere and whatever you want to roleplay. And the crafting items were proliferous (sp?) enough so that you didn't need to scrounge for it. In Fallout 3, it worked because you literally only have the clothes on your back and you need to survive on what you can scavenge. Here it doesn't work. For in-story reasons, Shepard should not be in want of items even if he manages to ****** off the entire galaxy and any omni-tool with an extranet connection should have all of these and I believe able to make it with omni-gel, why does Shepard have to BUY any of these? Gameplay reasons, well you don't really need a crafting skill in your stats but schematics imply a mess of crafting only items. Where would the player get these, how will they be organized, how easy are they to obtain, how and where do you craft items? Or we could simplify it by paying X resources for Y amount of Z consumable item/upgrade but by that logic we can already "craft" Grunt a shotgun.
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Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 02:21
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Wizz wrote...
MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Switch cool down for Fatigue for Biotics. Even Samara and Jack got tired of prolonged biotic powers. Jedi's can't sustain their powers either and it depends on how skilled they are at the force.
Hmm, old-school system "coold down + 'mana'" could be more realistic for biotics, but how it will work in shooter?
Escael, you do not mind that we discuss gameplay in this thread?
The idea of mana makes biotics too much like the force; I think countdowns are fine.
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Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 02:50
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As I'm no video game designer, I'm not sure what these modifications would mean to gameplay, but I generally support your ideas and think your photoshops are sexy.
#142
Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 07:43
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These are all really neat ideas but I have to admit mostly I just want you to make more silly pictures. The dialogue options are hilarious.
#143
Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 08:12
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Great ideas!
It's a shame that Christina Norman said they weren't planning on changing most of the things in the game, but I will be SEVERELY disappointed in Bioware if they don't at least make squadmate armor more in-depth and customizable.
It's a shame that Christina Norman said they weren't planning on changing most of the things in the game, but I will be SEVERELY disappointed in Bioware if they don't at least make squadmate armor more in-depth and customizable.
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Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 08:39
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TelexFerra wrote...
The idea of mana makes biotics too much like the force; I think countdowns are fine.
Force and biotics are magic in sci-fi regardless of gameplay. Using of biotic abilities is big stress for nervous system, that's why both biotic-storm-combos from ME1 and singularity (which supposed to be most horrible biotic thing in ME universe) spam looked strange to me. Still it's not a gameplay weakness, I just want to see it more connected with books and Codex.
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Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 09:37
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I voraciously support universal thermal clips. However adding a non-clip cooldown mechanic and a making their use or non-use a tactical consideration would probably annoy people.
A universal pool of clips is easier to read and understand and it will also allow you to carry a full loadout for the WEAPONS YOU ACTUALLY USE. I despise dragging around a shotgun and SMG and AR when I'm playing an infiltrator sniper who uses exclusively SR and Pistol. I find it even more annoying that because they give you so little ammo for the SR and Pistol I will often run out, and be forced to use weapons that I would prefer not even to be carrying in the first place.
On that note, I would really like to see inventory/weapon slots have the option to be set to EMPTY. Just a little game change that would take no real effort on the devs part. I won't even complain if you stick a stock AR in the hands of my chars durning cinematics, even though they don't carry an AR. You do this with the squaddies anyway - its FINE. Just please let us have an EMPTY option for weapons we don't want.
And if you do, and if you go with universal thermal clips, maybe the EMPTY slots could also have an option for... extra ammo?
Epic potential.
A universal pool of clips is easier to read and understand and it will also allow you to carry a full loadout for the WEAPONS YOU ACTUALLY USE. I despise dragging around a shotgun and SMG and AR when I'm playing an infiltrator sniper who uses exclusively SR and Pistol. I find it even more annoying that because they give you so little ammo for the SR and Pistol I will often run out, and be forced to use weapons that I would prefer not even to be carrying in the first place.
On that note, I would really like to see inventory/weapon slots have the option to be set to EMPTY. Just a little game change that would take no real effort on the devs part. I won't even complain if you stick a stock AR in the hands of my chars durning cinematics, even though they don't carry an AR. You do this with the squaddies anyway - its FINE. Just please let us have an EMPTY option for weapons we don't want.
And if you do, and if you go with universal thermal clips, maybe the EMPTY slots could also have an option for... extra ammo?
Epic potential.
#146
Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 05:13
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As an Infiltrator I never felt forced to use weapons that I didn't want. I did feel forced to spend more time waiting for incinerate to cooldown, when I ran out of ammo for my good weapon. Still haven't heard a reasonable argument why "forced weapon switching" is factual better than "optional weapon switching" for anything.
Also Ecael can we just replace Christina "I don't even know what half of the stuff in ME1 does" Norman with you?
Also Ecael can we just replace Christina "I don't even know what half of the stuff in ME1 does" Norman with you?
#147
Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 06:10
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It's beautiful. Like a unicorn.
#148
Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 01:07
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I favor the Squad Armor. I'm fine if it's unique for each individual or similar to ME with standard suits.
At least a helmet toggle, or collapsible helmets in ME3, Dragon Age spoiled me on that one.
At least a helmet toggle, or collapsible helmets in ME3, Dragon Age spoiled me on that one.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 01:31
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Amazing, amazing ideas and refinements. If ME3 had these things in the game, then the only thing they would need to fix would be how they butchered planet exploration in ME2. I miss beautiful vistas and exiting the mako to look at the amazing landscapes and skyboxes.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 01:56
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Ecael wrote..
That is why I'd prefer only two outfits for each squadmate:
Combat Armor - includes customizable masks/helmets and the ability to change the palette/color scheme like Shepard's armor
Casual Appearance - the outfit they wear on the Normandy when not in combat[/list]
Of course, DLC can add more options for either of the two. This makes it
easier for the art team to work on adding more detail to the outfits
that are already there, without sacrificing customization (consider all
the mods I suggested throughout the thread).
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No more skin-tight armor!
Criticisms? Suggestions? Comments?
VERY GOOD IDEAS.
I love your ideas! Especially the one above on squadmate armour. The only thing I'm not entirely sold on is the way ammo works. I guess I prefer really simplified ammo system like what we have in ME2 now.
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