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[Neria Rose]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

But not believable. There are several species on Earth where we as humans cannot differentiate between the male and female members at a glance. Why should/would we be able to with aliens?

Maybe because that's what I wanted to do with the art?

I honestly have no idea why so many people are getting worked up over the realism of it.

It's just a drawing - of a completely fictional creature - what does it matter what design choices I made?

I'm so sorry that something that's "not believable" automatically = bad.

It's not bad, it's just that it looks silly. The outfit is not particularly believable either for a Turian, but that's just my take on it *shrugs*. Did you really expect everyone to respond positively to "breast-like chest plates"?

I do love her head and her stance, though.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 20 juin 2010 - 01:32 .

[OrbitalWings]

Neria Rose wrote...

It's not bad, it's just that it looks silly. The outfit is not particularly believable either for a Turian, but that's just my take on it *shrugs*. Did you really expect everyone to respond positively to "breast-like chest plates"?

I do love her head and her stance, though.

I expected people to critique the artistic talent, not start telling me that the design isn't "believable"

[Neria Rose]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

It's not bad, it's just that it looks silly. The outfit is not particularly believable either for a Turian, but that's just my take on it *shrugs*. Did you really expect everyone to respond positively to "breast-like chest plates"?

I do love her head and her stance, though.

I expected people to critique the artistic talent, not start telling me that the design isn't "believable"

Part of enjoying some types of art is believing that it is feasible. Again, that is some, not all. I love paintings that look like they came right out of a physics- and sense-defying dream. But I assume you're not going for the "wow, it's like the artist was tripping on acid" look.

An example for me is I can't stand seeing fantasy/sci-fi women in half-naked outfits when, if they were in a position where they needed to kill/maim/keep from being killed, they wouldn't run around in metal and/or leather bikinis. Casual clothes.. whatever. They could run around naked for all I care. But battle armor shouldn't leave any squishy parts exposed. And it's even more annoying knowing the only reason those women look like that is because males (especially teenagers) can't take their heads out of the gutter for two seconds.

But we're not here to discuss that and I apologize for it, I'll get off of my soapbox.

At any rate, it's clear you are talented. Your coloring style is very attractive.. soft while still being defined. And obviously you have a good sense of proportions and all that. There's nothing really to critique in terms of style on my end, only content.

Edit: And I very much like glowing bowstring.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 20 juin 2010 - 03:03 .

[RGFrog]

Bow and arrow concept wouldn't work they way you have it drawn. Arrow would just fall to the ground. Wrong side of the bow.

[SojournerN7]

I don't think it matters if it's scientifically accurate, rather that the concept you've drawn is your interpetation of it. Even though not everyone agrees with her physical form, you've made it obvious (in relation to our species) that she's obviously female. Very nice work, including your other peices on your site.

My only suggestion would be to consider some Turian Face Markings, perhaps to draw the eye more towards her face. The bow and her midsection seem to really stand out. Great stuff.

Modifié par Sojourner83, 20 juin 2010 - 07:00 .

[lovgreno]

You are skilled way above most of us Kiriu. As Sojourner wisely said this is your idea of a fem turian, that is all that matters. Some of us draw fem turians a little differently but thats nothing you should care about. I like the choice of colors.

[OrbitalWings]

It's funny....I keep telling people - this is NOT how I think female turians look.

I did it this way so that non-ME fans could understand it better. And I've been attacked, insulted and harrassed on deviantART because people clearly can't read.

[lovgreno]

In any case it's a good piece of art, thanks for sharing it. You know how fans are, they can take things too serious.

[Siansonea]

I don't care for this at all. Breasts on a non-mammal are silly. And I've always imagined that the shoulders of turians were covered with bony crest plates similar to their head fringe.

[Siansonea]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

It's funny....I keep telling people - this is NOT how I think female turians look.

I did it this way so that non-ME fans could understand it better. And I've been attacked, insulted and harrassed on deviantART because people clearly can't read.

It would be interesting to see your interpretation of female turians with ME fans as your target audience. That should be your next project.

[OrbitalWings]

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be interesting to see your interpretation of female turians with ME fans as your target audience. That should be your next project.

Never.

If I got even ONE detail "wrong", I'd be attacked for it.

I am not enduring the amount of idiocy I've had to with this one - people just don't realise that I KNOW it's innacurate. It was INTENTIONAL.

[lovgreno]

Too bad, I would like to see more turian art from you (and I don't care about details, artistic freedom FTW) but you should do what want of course.

[LiquidGrape]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Never.

If I got even ONE detail "wrong", I'd be attacked for it.

I am not enduring the amount of idiocy I've had to with this one - people just don't realise that I KNOW it's innacurate. It was INTENTIONAL.

Well, you were evidently "attacked" for this one, despite stating the deliberate fallacies.
If you present your work at a public venue, it's bound to draw criticism regardless of its content. It's a byproduct of exposure.
I read some of the comments this piece got on your devArt, and while there was at least one gargantuan jerk involved, there was also some legitimate critical feedback, which you didn't choose to address.
Just keep doing what you like doing. It's not like disparate opinions of your work should stop you from being creative.

[Siansonea]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be interesting to see your interpretation of female turians with ME fans as your target audience. That should be your next project.

Never.

If I got even ONE detail "wrong", I'd be attacked for it.

I am not enduring the amount of idiocy I've had to with this one - people just don't realise that I KNOW it's innacurate. It was INTENTIONAL.

You need to be more thick-skinned if you are going to submit your art for public viewing. So what if people criticize it? It's not the end of the world. And you should welcome constructive critique if you want to improve your art skills. If you just want praise, you're going to have a hard time unless you just show your art to individuals you know to be receptive to your particular artistic style. Personally I do not value praise as much as I value constructive critique. Pointless insults are another matter, they should simply be ignored.

[Siansonea]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be interesting to see your interpretation of female turians with ME fans as your target audience. That should be your next project.

Never.

If I got even ONE detail "wrong", I'd be attacked for it.

I am not enduring the amount of idiocy I've had to with this one - people just don't realise that I KNOW it's innacurate. It was INTENTIONAL.

Another thing I don't understand is the intentional inaccuracies. You state that it was to make the art more accessible to non-ME fans. Why would such people be interested in ME art in the first place? You are much better off tailoring your artwork to the core fanbase, such individuals are much more likely to appreciate the details you get right, whereas non-fans are likely to ignore the illustration altogether, or miss the point of the piece. In this example, they won't know or care what a turian is, or that females have never been seen. They'll just think it's some weird animal person.

[Astranagant]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Not the most scientifically accurate concept of a female turian, but certainly a badass one.

Turians are fictional, there's no scientific accuracy to be had in relation to them.

[Siansonea]

Astranagant wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Not the most scientifically accurate concept of a female turian, but certainly a badass one.

Turians are fictional, there's no scientific accuracy to be had in relation to them.

There is such thing as consistency within a fictional context, however. And science fiction is potentially supposed to adhere to most principles of the various scientific disciplines as they are known at the time of the fiction's creation. I would never expect Edgar Rice Burrough's Mars novels to conform to modern scientific principles regarding Mars, but I would expect any new science fiction stories or art about Mars created today to take into account what is currently known about Mars.

[OrbitalWings]

See.....this is it all over again.

It's not critisism to point out scientific innacuracies with drawings - that's just nitpicking.

I am actually going to pay heed to the actual artistic critisism that was buried in the nerd rage on DA, but I don't get how pointing out how I've done it "wrong" - when I've clearly stated I REALISE that - is constructive critisism.

As for why I wanted to make it more accessable - I have a lot of people who look at my stuff, some who are getting tired of the ME artwork. I just wanted to make something that was a little easier to appreciate as a non-fan.

And as has rightfully been said - it's just a fictional character. At the end of the day, does it really matter?

As I said to a friend of mine - I've got better things to do than argue about alien boobs.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 24 juin 2010 - 10:51 .

[Siansonea]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...
It's not critisism to point out scientific innacuracies with drawings - that's just nitpicking.

I hate to disagree with you, but what you call nitpicking IS criticism. I work in a creative field, so I know whereof I speak. It's pretty much my job to nitpick everything that crosses my desk, and make it perfect before it gets printed. I would advise anyone who aspires to work in a creative field that they should learn to embrace criticism and not take it personally.

I am actually going to pay heed to the actual artistic critisism that was buried in the nerd rage on DA, but I don't get how pointing out how I've done it "wrong" - when I've clearly stated I REALISE that - is constructive critisism.

Maybe it's not. If it's not, don't sweat it. The fact that you don't want to do another drawing because of the criticism tells me that you're taking it to heart. That doesn't adversely affect your detractors, except maybe give some of them a sort of twisted satisfaction that they've hurt your feelings. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.

As for why I wanted to make it more accessable - I have a lot of people who look at my stuff, some who are getting tired of the ME artwork. I just wanted to make something that was a little easier to appreciate as a non-fan.

Okay, that's fine. In retrospect, it was probably a mistake to elicit feedback from die-hard ME fans, though. You have to know your audience. Since you realized that you had taken certain liberties with turians, you had to know that not everyone was going to read the fine print, and comment on those liberties regardless of the disclaimer. This shouldn't be a source of frustration, you should just expect it and not let it bother you.

And as has rightfully been said - it's just a fictional character. At the end of the day, does it really matter?

As I said to a friend of mine - I've got better things to do than argue about alien boobs.

That is most certainly true!

[Pacifien]

I'm a die-hard ME fan, I suppose. I liked the drawing anyway. I can handle artistic license now and then.

But I did see a drawing of Samara where she had human ears and that was a little awkward, so I guess I can accept artistic license only so far.

Anyway, people draw pictures of human rogues, particularly female ones, who have no basis in reality whatsoever. Turians being similar in mentality to humans, I can picture the same sort of artwork. For all we know, Nysik Varakis is someones character in the turian game Galaxy of Fantasy.

[Sago_mulch]

IMAGINE THE CHAFING