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[Jesusland]

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

[hawat333]

A criminal boss involved in killing a lot of people, Fist.

Paragon option: Let him go away free.

Renegade option: Kill him for his crimes.



Is it always that vile?

True, sometimes it's vile, other times it's pragmatical, sometimes it's smiple being a jerk.

But it's not a strictly two-sided coin.

[Jesusland]

hawat333 wrote...

A criminal boss involved in killing a lot of people, Fist.
Paragon option: Let him go away free.
Renegade option: Kill him for his crimes.

Is it always that vile?
True, sometimes it's vile, other times it's pragmatical, sometimes it's smiple being a jerk.
But it's not a strictly two-sided coin.

But the vast majority of characters the Renegade interracts with are not crime bosses, they are regular normal people, including his own crew and squad mates.  The Renegade options for those are a joke. 

[TheSixthghoul]

Wow, I'm totally on the other side,like 90% of the paragon stuff I'd regret. Paragon is fail. Renegade rock!!!

[DOYOURLABS]

The renegade interrupts are bad ass, the renegade choices are either punishing, pragmatic, evil, or logical and the renegade dialogue is mostly just being a jerk. Just because he has bad manners doesn't make him worse than the villains.

[Lumikki]

Jesusland wrote...

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

If You don't like those choises, then why to make them?

Modifié par Lumikki, 20 juin 2010 - 04:04 .

[ADLegend21]

Jesusland wrote...

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

So you regret killing an enemy that gives you an opening with a speech about how his Clan of Krogan is going to torture the galaxy?

[Jesusland]

Lumikki wrote...

Jesusland wrote...

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

If You don't like those choises, then why to make them?

Because the choice given is never what Shephard actually says.  He always says something different, and with tone and inflection that is pure @sshole.  You can't really tell until you make the choice.

[snfonseka]

Jesusland wrote...

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

Looks like you don't have a proper idea about "Renegade". Yes there can be few situations that it is equal to Ass*ole (like the quest related to the quarian mechant). But in most cases it is about "getting the job done at any cost !"...

[snfonseka]

Jesusland wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Jesusland wrote...

There is not a single Renegade choice I haven't ended up regretting.  Every single Renegade choice is just downright innapropriate behaviour for a civilized person.  Even villains have manners, even villains can be polite!  But not the Renegade!  He is worse even that a villain.  Truly a vile human being.

If You don't like those choises, then why to make them?

Because the choice given is never what Shephard actually says.  He always says something different, and with tone and inflection that is pure @sshole.  You can't really tell until you make the choice.

The text are somewhat different, but you can get the idea in most cases.

[Dean_the_Young]

Personally, I find a number of Paragon choices far more morally suspect and condemnable than their Renegade alternative. Quite often ones which put self-righteous nobility over the value of other lives.

[NICKjnp]

This game has to have extremes...
renegade... humans should dominate everyone!
paragon... I like puppies!

They need to have neutral options that give you a mix or paragon and renegade (and make the paragon/renegade bar easier to fill up) so that you can go 33% paragon or renegade and 67% paragon or renegade and still be able to use the max of the higher paragon or renegade score you have built.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 20 juin 2010 - 06:14 .

[RenownedRyan]

I think you mean...

Commander Shepard is such a Jerk!

What's worse, in the sequel....

He's Still a Jerk!

[EricHVela]

That's the problem, though. EA decided that people were too confused by Paragon and Renegade and decided that they had to mean good and evil respectively, going so far as to pull a KotOR on Shepard's appearance to nail the new concept home.

I keep saying that Paragon means someone who's a prime example of a good person and that Renegade means someone who goes against the "rules", usually aggressively. There's no good/bad or right/wrong here, but EA doesn't like such muddy definitions for their shooters. I say EA because Bioware hasn't been much for shying away from such ambiguities, but EA sure does.

(A really good example of EA's meddling in this kind of stuff: The Price of Freedom, followed by Prophecy. One has moral ambiguity and the other had good/bad only. One Origin, the other EA-owned Origin [and Origin employees were getting fed up with the meddling by that time].)

There's no solid proof of EA's involvement in ME2, but some of the trends between ME1 and ME2 smell like EA.

[BatarianBob]

Jesusland wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

A criminal boss involved in killing a lot of people, Fist.
Paragon option: Let him go away free.
Renegade option: Kill him for his crimes.

Is it always that vile?
True, sometimes it's vile, other times it's pragmatical, sometimes it's smiple being a jerk.
But it's not a strictly two-sided coin.

But the vast majority of characters the Renegade interracts with are not crime bosses, they are regular normal people, including his own crew and squad mates.  The Renegade options for those are a joke. 

"Tali, that's very sweet, but I don't feel the same way about you."

Yeah, what a monster he is for letting her down in such a cruel and callous way.  Truly vile person.

Modifié par Taranatar9, 20 juin 2010 - 07:46 .

[Nollemaster]

You know when your friends are psycho's when they can play renegade without having regret over the choices. I'm way too nice to do a renegade playthrough! I think it's funny how the universe of Mass Effect reflects your personality.

[Teknor]

Some renegade choices are stupid i agree ( like telling Anoleis about Gianna being a executive board spy and goading them to shoot each other ) but generally renegade choices are rational.