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[Last Darkness]

Ive been looking at some builds and am curious from firsthand opinions what this build would be like?
Anyone play the Str based version or Dex based one?
Thoughts? Opinions?

*EDIT*
Meant to add for either a Duel Wield or Sword and Shield setup Warden.  Two hand is nice but I have personal disagreements with it.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 20 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

[beancounter501]

I assume you ar talking about S&S Zerker/Champ?



Yes, in my current playthrough I have Oghren speced in this - as a strength based. He is a nice mix, does not do as much dmg as a 2 Hand or a Dual weld (I have been keeping detailed notes), but at the same time he is one tough warrior. Nothing gets him past half health except the high dragon! Take a stun and being dog pileed and still come out kicking butt.



He can do some solid dmg - usually one shield pummel or assault will one hit kill a white mob. Using the King's Arms so he has tons of Stamina Regen. Like all warriors make sure you pick up Death Blow at level 12. I can not stress that enough - it is THE feat to get for any warrior. Unless you are just trying to build an auto-attack bot. (yawn - boring)



Now, my main dislike here is the Zerker animation. You flail about while the rest of the party is kicking butt. It may not seem like much, but missing a hit or two every fight WILL drag down your dmg. Especially in a competive party. One that is not bogged down with dead wood party members.



It takes some micro, but either hold the entire party still while you zerk(bad idea - there could be mages to kill!) or the second the icon appears on your character move him to break the animation.



You can not go wrong with Champ. The minute you start getting swarmed hit War Cry for a breather. Group knockdown - the one of the best ways to stop damage! Every other melee guy on the team will like Rally. One of those less then obvious buffs. All of a sudden the fights get easier and your hit rate moves up 5 to 10 points. Personally, I like to stack 2 rallies. Anymore then that starts to get some funky results and is not worth the effort due to the zoning.



My main dislike is just the lack of any AOE attacks with a S&S. The class would have been MUCH better with some sort of AOE attack.

[Last Darkness]

^ @beancounter501 thanks for the info your a veritible book of warrior information.

I must correct myself I forgot to add as either Sword and Shield or Duel Wield, I myself cant stand two hander for other reasons. It was actualy our arguments back and forth about the merits of Berserker and Champion in another thread that made me think well....what about both?

I mean Berserk = +1.5 Health Regen, some mental resistance and +8 damage per swing (I like the health regen to stack with other health regen gear build myself) and Champion gives basicaly +20 defense, a knock down and more attack score so you hit more.
Im theory crafting here but it seems this would make a better get up and go fighter then reaver and templar builds.

Just want some first hand advice for people who have played them from differant perspectives.
A Str based Duel Wield or Sword and Shield in Theory on this build would seem actualy pretty awesome in the damage and survivability departments. While not excelling in either would still be pretty high in both areas.


*EDIT*
I also agree Sword and Shield would be so much nicer with at least 1 AoE attack.  Thats why I really like the Reavers third skill "Aura of Pain" cause it works well on a Sword+Shield Tank.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 21 juin 2010 - 12:02 .

[Elhanan]

I recently completed a 2H version. I aquired more Will than most advise at almost 30 base pts. STR base was an even 70 at completion, with DEX at 26; CON, CUN, and MGC were all starting base, I believe.



The specs were great, as I utilized Rally full-time, and Berserker for any battles with Elites or higher lvl opponents. With Evon & Wade's Superior heavy armor combo, I had plenty of stamina at all times using Starfang.

[beancounter501]

In my current playthrough, I have Alistar as a str based Dual Weld Zerker/Templar. He is quite strong. Never really noticed the health regen from Zerker. Most fights generally end to fast for that to become an issue. The only time my party really needed to heal a lot was with the High Dragon. That thing is brutal on straight melee. I timed it out and we dropped the HD in just over 40 seconds. The regen from Berseker would have come to 30 points. OK, but potions are so cheap and plentiful it is not much of an issue. Unless you like no potion soloing. Ouch - good luck trying to kill the HD in that set up without doing a few exploits or switching to ranged.



The Dual Weld Champ can be really strong. Charge straight into a room like (like a tank would), hit Whirlwind, the Dual Sweep and finally war cry to get everyone off your back. As all the enemy mobs are now lying on their back, have the rest of the party start cleaning up. If you have a Rogue, have him flank and start backstabbing. Everyone's attention will be focused on the warrior - which actually makes your life easier since you don't have to move around to kill things. The only thing you have to watch out for is encounters with lots of Archers and Rogues. Getting stunned right as you start to Whirlwind stinks. In those cases you may want to lead with War Cry. And then single target talents like Riptose and Punisher.



Templar has two sweet talents - Cleanse Aura & Holy Smite. Righteous Striking is a complete waste since every spell casters have far less health then mana. They are usually dead long before there mana is even close to be drained. Mental Fortress is OK, but there are maybe four spells/talents that have a mental resistance check - horror/sleep/walking nightmare/freighting appearance. Holy Smite is great for stopping mages and even archers. Gives you that breathing room to close in and kill.



For Reaver I really only like Freighting Appearance. That one talent is great. Devour is OK if you don't want to use potions - but otherwise I never really use it. I tried to work with Aura of Pain, but I was just not impressed. I even respecced three warriors as Reavers and I tried it out. It actually made the fights harder. Prehaps you have had better luck with it. Blood Frenzy is inferior to Berserk in every category.

[Arthur Cousland]

The templar spec is nice mainly for the access to templar and knight commander armor. If you are good at killing mages before they can nuke you too much, then magic resist loses it's appeal. Unless you are doing a solo run, it's better to have your archer or mage immobilize the mage, then have everyone attack them, or just cheat and use mana clash. My weapon/shield warrior went templar/champion mainly because I wanted a knight type character.



You aren't really going to screw up your warrior by picking the "wrong" spec, since warrior specs aren't as varied as mages or rogues. Champion is the safe choice, but the others are mainly up to you. Templar for the hostile magic resist armor, or berserker for the extra damage.

[jsachun]

Here is a Dwarven Princess Paragon build of mine that fits the description. I just thought Templar would not fit a Dwarven chararcter. I usually would prefer a Templar/Berserker for a Warrior build. But you can do without the Templar spec.

Templar's are good for neutralising Mages & Champion's good for Crowd Control & Party Buff.

Modifié par jsachun, 21 juin 2010 - 02:32 .

[Arthur Cousland]

I also agree that dwarves don't quite fit being templars, since they worship their paragons, rather than the maker, and templars are the chantry's "protectors" and mage hunters, if you are into rp'ing your character somewhat. That's why I made my templar/champion a human.



My templar also had base 38 str and 75 dex by level 23. He was quite resistant to melee attacks, though that much dex was probably overkill. I was more concerned with him being tough to kill than putting up big damage numbers, and had no regrets with the build.

[Last Darkness]

Thanks for the info, Im actualy staying away from Templar as I think that makes your character "Too easy" since the majority of people pick it so they can equip one peice of chest armor.



My next playthrough im going with a Duel Wield Elf Warrior, and im gonna try beancounter501s advice and work with a 4 warrior party for a change on nightmare. Alistair is gonna be a Str sword and shield Templar/Reaver and im not sure what im gonna have Sten and Ogrhen as, though I do intend to get Lohgaine later.

The two build im looking at for my main are Berserker/Champion and Berserker/Reaver since I do wanna try my brothers suicidal dps build thats berserker/reaver running everything.

With the Champion option though ill be able to hit more, some buffs and knockdown IE more survivable but with the reaver build its pretty suicidal as its running two self damage abilities and generly hovers around 60% health or less.



Can someone with first hand duel wield knowledge inform me of the pros and cons of using two daggers, vrs main hand and a dagger, and two main hands? Im not really intrested in a pure dex build(my first character was that...boring) I wanna try a Str build and im not sure what would be best.

[Serillen]

I've run a berseker/champion dual wielder with dex to the minimum for talents, 10 into will, and the rest into strength. The one problem the setup has is going to be casters, they'll lock you down at the start of the fight with crushing prison and/or misdirection hex. Best way to overcome that is to just have wynne, morrigan, or allistar ready to cast dispell magic/cleansing on you or have someone else lead the way into combat.



As far as Pros/cons of the weapon setups, it mainly depends on what stat direction you want to go with. If youre going to go mainly with strength and bare minimum dex you tend to be better off going with two main hand weaps. You'll be gaining more damage per point of str with main hands than you will with daggers which will make your specials hit harder, the downside being that you'll auto attack at a slower speed than daggers so you'll get less bang out of runes and spell enhancements to weapons. From personal experience though, you wont be auto attacking too often once you get the majority of your special attacks so the benefit of dual daggers isn't as good as it is in theory.

[jsachun]

Serillen wrote...

I've run a berseker/champion dual wielder with dex to the minimum for talents, 10 into will, and the rest into strength. The one problem the setup has is going to be casters, they'll lock you down at the start of the fight with crushing prison and/or misdirection hex. Best way to overcome that is to just have wynne, morrigan, or allistar ready to cast dispell magic/cleansing on you or have someone else lead the way into combat.

As far as Pros/cons of the weapon setups, it mainly depends on what stat direction you want to go with. If youre going to go mainly with strength and bare minimum dex you tend to be better off going with two main hand weaps. You'll be gaining more damage per point of str with main hands than you will with daggers which will make your specials hit harder, the downside being that you'll auto attack at a slower speed than daggers so you'll get less bang out of runes and spell enhancements to weapons. From personal experience though, you wont be auto attacking too often once you get the majority of your special attacks so the benefit of dual daggers isn't as good as it is in theory.

Yes, for warriors it's gotta be Two long swords. Biggest setback for a warrior using daggers is the inability to backstab, so although you may attack at a faster speed, you'll get much bigger damage numbers using two longswords.  

Modifié par jsachun, 22 juin 2010 - 02:16 .

[Arthur Cousland]

If you've never recruited Loghain before, just make sure that you have a spare save file for backup. Recruiting him leads to someone else leaving the party for good, and his stats kinda suck.

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

If you've never recruited Loghain before, just make sure that you have a spare save file for backup. Recruiting him leads to someone else leaving the party for good, and his stats kinda suck.

This is a spoiler allowed section it doesn't manner if you spoil people. Recruit Loghain and Alistar leaves since Alistar wants revenge.

Loghain's stats don't suck actually his armour makes up for everything that he's lacking.

[Last Darkness]

Im planing to Kill Alistair and marry Anora.

[Last Darkness]

Can someone please elaborate about skill damage? Im actualy leaning towards Heavy Mainhand and a fast offhand like Veshialle+Rose Thorn combo, this will give me good stats and in theory please clarify here when I use my Skills it uses my main hand to calculate damage correct?

Im really reluctant to put 6 more points into Dex to equip a heavy offhand if it dosnt make that much of a differance and instead put those points into Str.

[Elhanan]

Personally, I would skip it due to the expense, as both are costly items. And the axe does not seem to be as good vs Undead (ie; Immunity to Nature bonus).

[Last Darkness]

Im probably gonna use Blightblood till I can get Starfang, Veshialle is still pretty decent though.

The idea of duel wielding Starfang,Veshialle, blightblood,keening is pretty impressive in my head though.

[Elhanan]

What of the other axes in DAO; any recommended that are free?

[DWSmiley]

Elhanan wrote...

What of the other axes in DAO; any recommended that are free?

Yep.  Going to Denerim early and doing Sgt. Kylon's 1st quest gets you Aodh, which is very nice.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Last Darkness wrote...

Can someone please elaborate about skill damage? Im actualy leaning towards Heavy Mainhand and a fast offhand like Veshialle+Rose Thorn combo, this will give me good stats and in theory please clarify here when I use my Skills it uses my main hand to calculate damage correct?
Im really reluctant to put 6 more points into Dex to equip a heavy offhand if it dosnt make that much of a differance and instead put those points into Str.

There is a thread somewhere on these boards with very nice info on dw warrior and s/s warrior dps.

Basically as a DW warrior your two best damage talents are Flurry and Punisher. Dual Striking is terrible as well.

Pure dps from skill spam Veshialle+Starfang was the best dps compared too Rose's Thorn in offhand. It was a neat read I wish I knew where it was should of bookmarked it.

[Last Darkness]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Can someone please elaborate about skill damage? Im actualy leaning towards Heavy Mainhand and a fast offhand like Veshialle+Rose Thorn combo, this will give me good stats and in theory please clarify here when I use my Skills it uses my main hand to calculate damage correct?
Im really reluctant to put 6 more points into Dex to equip a heavy offhand if it dosnt make that much of a differance and instead put those points into Str.

There is a thread somewhere on these boards with very nice info on dw warrior and s/s warrior dps.

Basically as a DW warrior your two best damage talents are Flurry and Punisher. Dual Striking is terrible as well.

Pure dps from skill spam Veshialle+Starfang was the best dps compared too Rose's Thorn in offhand. It was a neat read I wish I knew where it was should of bookmarked it.

Indeed I wish I could find it, gonna look here in a bit.  I hear very bad things about duel striking that its has a chance to attack and do no damage.

[Stjerne]

I'm currently playing a Berserker/Champion str DW warrior and he's probably the best/funniest character ive played so far. ive got 1350 kills and 4 injuries (on Nightmare of course). + some of the injuries is just some supid **** like i picked up from carta's hideout etc. but anyway Berserker/Champion is awesome u should definetly play and have a ton of fun playin it;)

[Ken555]

I did that once but now I go for Reaver and Champion, Champion is my fav spec however it is beast.

[MKDAWUSS]

Yep, I have my Warrior Warden become a berserker/champion

[Kastlefeer]

Here's mine: http://social.biowar...na_id=212771190

I didn't bother with supremacy or final blow for obvious reasons. I messed around with arrow of slaying for kicks

Modifié par Kastlefeer, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:35 .