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[DukeOfNukes]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Well, if we're going to start listing qualifications and such, I've read the books, along with The Hobbit and The Silmarilian, and Unfinished Tales, and seen all the movies (I own the extended versions) more times than I can count. But now that the [richard] measuring contest is out of the way, let me just say that you have a very short attention span. I'm sorry that you were unable to appreciate such a comprehensive and emotional ending to 12 hours of film.

OH, read the books? AND watched the movies? well damn...I concede. truly, you are a world reknown scholar on the subject of Tolkein. Tolkein himself must be rolling in his grave because surely even HE didn't read it as many times as you.

You're not talking about what happened in the book, you're trying to talk as if you're a literary scholar. Now, if you had a degree in Literature, that would be a valid qualification. Having read the books, however, is not. I watched Mulhulland Dr at least 5 times, and I still don't get the damn thing short of saying it was all in her head.

Frankly, most of the stuff you mentioned could have been summarized in a montage type segment after crowning Aragorn...Cue the music:

"Merry and Pippen returned to the Shire as heroes, "
"Samwise Gamgee returned to the shire where he swiftly asked out Rosie. They are now married and have 2 kids"
"Still ailing from his wounds on the mountaintop, Frodo accompanied Gandalf, Bilbo and the elves to the Undying lands"
"Gimli and Legolas...well, we don't know what happened to them, because we decided, who cares?"
"Aragons reign lasted 5 millenia and his ancesters were eventually overcome by inbreeding."

Modifié par DukeOfNukes, 22 juin 2010 - 04:01 .

[Lucy Glitter]

YokoFactor wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

HEAVY RAIN.

That's not a movie...  And I liked the ending I got... >.>

Yes it is. 

The big reveal was so stupid it ended up making me hate the whole game.

[Elhanan]

The Patriot w/Stephen Segal. Fairly OK action flic turns on it''s head when they choose to help mankind by dropping flower petals from military helicopters. *blinks*

[_-Greywolf-_]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

YokoFactor wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

HEAVY RAIN.

That's not a movie...  And I liked the ending I got... >.>

Yes it is. 

The big reveal was so stupid it ended up making me hate the whole game.

I could not agree with you more, once you find out who the killer is the whole story just seems cheap.

[the_one_54321]

Darth Jayder wrote...
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DukeOfNukes wrote...
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It became a measuring contest because Jayder felt the need to list his acolades in reading the books more than once and watching the movies several times. Ironic that Nukes would then chide me for it when I was only pointing out how needless such [richard] measuring is to the discussion.

And no, you two really did miss the point, or else you just don't have the patience to enjoy this story for what it really is. There are a number of archetypal qualities to this story but the underlying theme is sacrifice and perseverence. A "text epilogue" would have butchered the finale of the story and pissed off so many fans there may have been a declaration of war against Hollywood. If you aren't made to see what Aragorn has been fighting for this whole time his character looses all depth. If you aren't given the chance to see how Mery, Pippen, and Sam matured and come into their own by the end, then their characters lose all depth. Which really would have been a shame, because as it was the films already cut out a lot of the growth of Mery and Pippen, keeping only as much as was needed by their involvement in some major plot points.

The truth of the matter is that the films were amazing as they are, but even with that they came dangerously close to really butchering one of the greatest stories of all time. And they came close to that specifically because of pandering to movie goers such as yourselves. Those that need a constant fast pace and can't sit through exposition that happens simply for expositions sake and the development of the characters simply through interaction and dialog rather than their actions. A perfect example of this is what they tried to do with Arwen. Fans were barely tollerant of Liv Tylers inclusion in The Fellowship of the Ring, where she replaced another character. But it gave us some interaction between her and Aragorn so it was passable. Later, Jackson had intended her to show up to save the day in Helms Deep and reunite with Aragorn by coming to fight in a big battle and lots of action together. Fans were FURIOUS. The plans got leaked and she got so much hate mail they scrapped the scenes.

That's because this story is not just about epic battles and heroics. The story of Aragorn and Arwen is not one that revolves around combat, and to make it such would have cheapened it. To have cut the ending off of the films after you spent so much time growing with these characters would have cheapened the whole experience. I can guarantee you that if they had done that, these films would not be as loved today as they are. The fans would have disowned them.

[Annie_Dear]

Darth Jayder wrote...

Seems like everyone has a hate on for M. Night Shayamalan. I would generally agree. With the exceptions of the Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, The Village, Signs, Lady in the Water were terrible. I haven't seen the Happening and likely never will so I'm going to assume the ending is crap for that one too.

The whole movie is crap, if you ask me.

(Spoilers, you have been warned)

The trees and plants did it.

(Spoilers end)

And the ending is so predictable...

[the_one_54321]

I actually like most of M. Night Saymalan's films. A couple of them I really enjoyed, and the others were ok. I like the messages he attaches to his films. Most times. But he has indeed had a couple of "wtf?!" moments. The Village was a complete rip-off. That wasn't a twist ending, it was a bait-and-switch. It was "come watch this scary monster movie" and then they give you ... effectively the complete opposite. I wanted a monster movie, darnit. I felt robbed.

[kreite]

 Knowing

[Elhanan]

I also enjoyed most of MNS films I have seen, though have not seen The Happening. Lady In the Water was not my fave, but still found it to be memorable.

But until one has seen The Patriot w/SS, you cannot know true misery. Well, unless we forget D&D: The Movie....

[Elhanan]

^ I know the LOTR conclusions were long, but boring? Hard to argue for that in the light of the huge number of Extended versions sales. Personally, I found myself enjoying them more by not trying to recall every moment from the books, as I originally found them to be boring. It was not until I read The Hobbit that I was able to dive back into the deeper waters of the trilogy.

But I know what it is like to go against the norm; hate Raging Bull, disliked The Maltese falcon, and was bored by Casablanca and Citizen Kane.

[the_one_54321]

Darth Jayder wrote...
Or who may not understand these themes.  You are such a person I'm sorry to say.

Heh, you forgot to mention comparisons between WWI/WWII, comentary on expansionism, religious/christian imagery, and tone regarding the role of government in the lives of regular people. The whole thing is full of social comentary. None of that is what makes it a beautiful story.

One way or the other, the suggestion that the ending was boring is... subjective and therefore cannot be called simply inaccurate. But numerous awards, huge box office successes, and the opinion of the community of Tolkien fans in general all would imply that you're off your rocker.

[Elhanan]

^ If you mean the one at the docks, I would say that was the most important one after Aragorn bows to the Hobbits. Plus it sets up the final song, which is still a fave moment for me.

But I am glad I was not the actors that had to do it over again, based on the commentary. Generating and sustaining that needed emotion is draining enough once; let alone for a reshoot.

[Wicked 702]

Ambaryerno wrote...

And Wicked,

Tell me, where in the movie was there any foreshadowing whatsoever that Col. Landa was going to do that about face? He strangled Diane Kruger's character for HELPING the Americans only 5 minutes before he struck a deal with them. If he was going to let them get away with it all along where's the point in that? Just to show he's evil?

Can't argue with that. There's no foreshadowing of it in any way. However, he strangled Diane Kruger's character (and killed anyone else on a whim) for any numbers of reasons. Perhaps out of rage, perhaps simply because she was Jewish, or perhaps because at the time he still thought he was going to get out of the situation unscathed so he was again furthering his position in the regime by doing it's work.

I agree it's not really clear and the way they presented it doesn't easily lend you to my conclusion. But when I watched the movie, and imagined myself in a similar position, the only move that made sense was to cut a deal. I'm not going to die for some "ideal" if I'm the sort of person who'd murder people on a whim. The character he portrayed was totally into himself, that much was actually visible when watching the movie. I couldn't personally imagine an arrogant person like that taking any other route.

By the way, Inglorious Basterds is a remake. It's not an original movie (old title is Inglorious Bastards). It's on Netflix for Instant Viewing on your PC, Xbox, PS3, etc. Same basic plot line. I may check it out to see if it's better than this one.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 22 juin 2010 - 09:34 .

[the_one_54321]

Wicked 702 wrote...
Same basic plot line. I may check it out to see if it's better than this one.

It couldn't possibly be. This Landa had me on the edge of my seat within the first ten minutes of the movie. He was portrayed wonderfully.

[DukeOfNukes]

kreite wrote...
 Knowing

oh god yes. I actually
enjoyed the movie up until Rose Byrnes character died...then the whole
thing fell to pieces.

the_one_54321 wrote...
A "text epilogue" would have butchered the finale of the story and pissed off so many fans there may have been a declaration of war against Hollywood.

That was a joke. I don't really want them to play that song during LOTR.

That being said...It's not that I didn't get it, or that I don't have patience...it's that I don't like sitting around while a director strokes his ego...and that's exactly what the end of the movie was. It was a half hour of Peter Jackson going "I made you so attached to these characters, it was me." It was a half hour of not only nothing happening...but nothing happening in slo-mo.

There's not one scene in particular that should have been removed...but the whole thing should have been reworked.

[ace1221]

heres an out of the ball park one: Wall Street.

possibly my most favourite movie of all time, (easily the best one that doesnt involve guns). Every time i watch it, i turn it off with 10 minutes to go. Bud Fox crying? snitching on Geeko? that aint right. then his martin sheen just forgives him straight up even though he is a dirty criminal and cause sheens heart attack? whats up with that?

[SchaerMann30]

Videodrome. Enough said.

[Tooneyman]

Dragon Wars! Seriously I've never seen a main character get so screwed in my life!

[JackhammerGR]

SchaerMann30 wrote...

Videodrome. Enough said.

Nope. You have lost. From POSTAL!!!!
While whole movie was wierd....The ending sucked

[amcnow]

I don't think I need to scroll through the whole thread to add +1 for Matrix Reloaded as THE WORST ENDING EVER!!!