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[InvaderErl]

In light of my inability to rhyme.



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[mcsupersport]

Has anyone ever looked up in the derelict reaper after fighting the first Scion?? It really wouldn't surprise me for that to be the actual Reaper inside the Reaper Ship. Creepy I tell you.

[InvaderErl]

*makes note for next playthrough.

[Chuvvy]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

No, it's a terminator. The other stuff isn't, but the final boss is. They should have kept it the way it looked in the concept art.

Yes, all metal endoskeletons are terminators.
<_<

No the other ones aren't. The final boss is, it looks exactly like a T-800

[Christmas Ape]

Slidell505 wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...
No, it's a terminator. The other stuff isn't, but the final boss is. They should have kept it the way it looked in the concept art.

Yes, all metal endoskeletons are terminators.
<_<

No the other ones aren't. The final boss is, it looks exactly like a T-800

In that it looks like a replica of the human skeleton in metal. As it turns out, metallic human skeletons look like metallic human skeletons.

[Chickenaut]

@Ecael
Wait... What?? I didn't knew that harbinger  was assumed as a leader for the reapers. Can you elaborate more? Do you think that the sovereign was the former leader of the reaper?

Modifié par Chickenaut, 21 juin 2010 - 07:35 .

[Nightwriter]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Not uncommon in the spiritual mind, or even the old mind. Thoughts form patterns, patterns form routines, routines form rituals, rituals form orthodoxy. They've been doing this for at least millions of years. Maybe billions. Now everybody grinds up sapients into Reaper-gel because that's how it works.

I'm also fairly sure the Collector plan - the "build a Reaper in the middle of the war" one - is the emergency plan.
Your worlds will become our genetic laboratories.
I saw synthetics - geth, maybe - killing people. Butchering them.
I think Reapers are usually constructed more "on-site" when a genetically appropriate species is located. The Protheans didn't measure up, so they were re-tasked to run Location B.

I guess I could see the Reapers doing it because that's the way they've always done it.

But it does make me wonder, if this is truly the emergency plan, why they don't streamline it, throw ritual out, and take only what they need, considering the state of emergency. An odd time to be clinging to ceremony.

I agree with you that Reapers are probably constructed on site. Good point, that. We only saw one base and I can't imagine it was Mass Reaper Reproduction Central.

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...

I guess I could see the Reapers doing it because that's the way they've always done it.



But it does make me wonder, if this is truly the emergency plan, why they don't streamline it, throw ritual out, and take only what they need, considering the state of emergency. An odd time to be clinging to ceremony.

Two thoughts:

1. "How It's Done" might include "harvest samples permitted to grow and mutate in situ". They seem more obsessed with genetics itself than with mastering it - perhaps the mutations are important.

2. Our concept of emergency and theirs might be different. Plan C appears to be "head for the Milky Way by conventional FTL", after all - though it's possible that multiple Reapers can render their entire group massless and basically form a relay. They built the relays because they guide us - what suggests they couldn't just make it happen themselves? The Element Zero core in the Derelict Reaper is many, many times the size of the SR-2's. Put a hundred of them together, combining mass effect fields...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Thats no Terminator, its a space station.

[InvaderErl]

DAMN IT, I JUST CAME UP WITH THAT JOKE.

[Corwyn]

mcsupersport wrote...

Has anyone ever looked up in the derelict reaper after fighting the first Scion?? It really wouldn't surprise me for that to be the actual Reaper inside the Reaper Ship. Creepy I tell you.

I always kind of assumed that this was the case.  Inside each of the cuttlefish shaped ships was a reaper that looked something like the race that spawned it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Lies, I've been saying that every time for the past couple of years when someone says "There is no spoon"



Because its a space station.

[Christmas Ape]

Pretty sure the thread title is a Kindergarten Cop reference...

[InvaderErl]

IZ NOT A TUMAH.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lies, I've been saying that every
time for the past couple of years when someone says "There is no spoon"

Because
its a space station.

I am trying to steal your identity.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 21 juin 2010 - 08:23 .

[Loreleon]

Macgarnickle wrote...

mcsupersport wrote...

Has anyone ever looked up in the derelict reaper after fighting the first Scion?? It really wouldn't surprise me for that to be the actual Reaper inside the Reaper Ship. Creepy I tell you.

I always kind of assumed that this was the case.  Inside each of the cuttlefish shaped ships was a reaper that looked something like the race that spawned it.

Have you a photo of this, please?

[Mister Mida]

In short: there is not enough information to say anything about the Reapers' origins, motives, and reproduction methods. The human Reaper could be an isolated case where they decided that this was the best way to go.

[Christmas Ape]

Mister Mida wrote...

In short: there is not enough information to say anything about the Reapers' origins, motives, and reproduction methods.

But there is enough to advance personal theories as to what those might be.
It's called speculation. It generates more discussion than "lol, dunno".

Any personal ideas you'd like to share, or previously suggested theories that seem plausible to you?

[Mister Mida]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

In short: there is not enough information to say anything about the Reapers' origins, motives, and reproduction methods.

But there is enough to advance personal theories as to what those might be.
It's called speculation. It generates more discussion than "lol, dunno".

Any personal ideas you'd like to share, or previously suggested theories that seem plausible to you?

Because you asked:
I think the human Reaper was like a big plan B the Reapers came up with in situations like this. I don't think this is the first time the galaxy is giving the Reapers a hard time of letting them do their little stroll of death and destruction through the Milky Way. So when there is a specific race that stands against them, they may turn them into the Reaper. But if EDI's right and the Reapers tried the same with the Protheans and failed, what was the eventual gaining of wiping them out? Sure, the Collectors, but I think they existed way before the Protheans and that their DNA material wasn't suited for cloning anymore so they turned the Protheans into the new Collectors.

Concerning the construction of Reapers: if all Reapers were biosynthetics, why didn't anyone notice that when they examined Sovereign or the derelict Reaper? I don't find it likely that all Reapers are half organic because that wouldn't have been productive. Humans may be suited for turning into Reaper goo, but who says all species that went before are? Look at the Protheans, they weren't for example.

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...
The Reaper creation process uses the DNA from the sample species, but DNA is not stable, and it mutates, even between individual cells, due to radiation, chemical exposure, and just pain old mitosis. A single sample of DNA can be flawed and not fully represent the species, so to ensure true ascendancy of a species, they sample the DNA of every cell of every individual, and supposedly retaining some aspect of that individual's personality, memories, or something resembling a 'soul'.
Otherwise, when the Geth communicated with Nazara, they would have spoken with one being with one voice. Instead, Legion reveals that Nazara's 'personality' was an amalgam of billions of voices, so there is some part of a individual that is retained through the ascension into being a reaper, though the actual mechanism behind that has not been revealed, and would probably be completely alien to us.

Alien, yes. That a Reaper is somehow an amalgamation of billions of "ascended" minds gathered from one species is an interesting concept.
The problem is that the process of getting there involves destroying the humans' individuality first, and in such a fundamental way that there is no recovering anything but what would be present in a newborn: through destruction of the brain. Anything that shaped that human through experience is irrevocably destroyed. There would have been an easy way out for Bioware: just don't use that cheesy horror element of grinding humans into gray goo. Just leave the process more mysterious. Then there would have been no problem.

[Starscream723]

It's not a Terminator... it's an OCEAN!

[Christmas Ape]

I think the human Reaper was like a big plan B the Reapers came up with in situations like this. I don't think this is the first time the galaxy is giving the Reapers a hard time of letting them do their little stroll of death and destruction through the Milky Way. So when there is a specific race that stands against them, they may turn them into the Reaper.

I don't disagree with this at all. The Reaper Maternity Ward at the galactic core may be an emergency plan, but I don't think it's an unforeseen emergency.

But if EDI's right and the Reapers tried the same with the Protheans and failed, what was the eventual gaining of wiping them out? Sure, the Collectors, but I think they existed way before the Protheans and that their DNA material wasn't suited for cloning anymore so they turned the Protheans into the new Collectors.

Precursor Collectors is something I've been trying to hash out myself; I'll admit I hadn't considered their genetic material being too degraded to clone. I assumed that, for whatever reason, the Protheans were a better resource and they simply discarded the old models and adapted the new ones to fit.

Concerning the construction of Reapers: if all Reapers were biosynthetics, why didn't anyone notice that when they examined Sovereign or the derelict Reaper? I don't find it likely that all Reapers are half organic because that wouldn't have been productive. Humans may be suited for turning into Reaper goo, but who says all species that went before are? Look at the Protheans, they weren't for example.

I don't think it's a case of "half organic" so much as "while we're pulling them apart to convert their genetic code into a new kind of consciousness, let's render their base materials down to the (sub?)atomic level and reconstruct it with our hyper-advanced nanotechnology into whatever crazy-high-density material we're made of".

Ieldra2 wrote...

There would have been an easy way out for Bioware: just don't use that cheesy horror element of grinding humans into gray goo. Just leave the process more mysterious. Then there would have been no problem.

Here is where schools of speculative thought diverge. I prefer to ask "okay, this happens - why?" without being able to remove any of it from consideration.

The problem is that the process of getting there involves destroying the humans' individuality first, and in such a fundamental way that there is no recovering anything but what would be present in a newborn: through destruction of the brain. Anything that shaped that human through experience is irrevocably destroyed.

Which assumes they want the multiple consciousnesses within the Reaper to possess individual identity - and even more so, that they want it to be the identity of the person they smoothied. I presume the process is more like copying the code for a computer program from one set of documentation to an actual compiler. It's just that the "code" they compile is genetic information translated into a machine consciousness, the individual variances in code creating slightly disparate minds within the whole.

It's not their experience they want, but their fundamental differences.

[Mister Mida]

Christmas Ape wrote...

But if EDI's right and the Reapers tried the same with the Protheans and failed, what was the eventual gaining of wiping them out? Sure, the Collectors, but I think they existed way before the Protheans and that their DNA material wasn't suited for cloning anymore so they turned the Protheans into the new Collectors.

Precursor Collectors is something I've been trying to hash out myself; I'll admit I hadn't considered their genetic material being too degraded to clone. I assumed that, for whatever reason, the Protheans were a better resource and they simply discarded the old models and adapted the new ones to fit.

Also a possibility.

Concerning the construction of Reapers: if all Reapers were biosynthetics, why didn't anyone notice that when they examined Sovereign or the derelict Reaper? I don't find it likely that all Reapers are half organic because that wouldn't have been productive. Humans may be suited for turning into Reaper goo, but who says all species that went before are? Look at the Protheans, they weren't for example.

I don't think it's a case of "half organic" so much as "while we're pulling them apart to convert their genetic code into a new kind of consciousness, let's render their base materials down to the (sub?)atomic level and reconstruct it with our hyper-advanced nanotechnology into whatever crazy-high-density material we're made of".

Also a possibility, but I still think many , actually the majority, of the Reapers is 100% procent machine. I also find it very unlikely that the conciousness of the processed species is preserved in one way or another when they are molten down into paste.

[heretica]

Why everyone says that's a human reaper ??



Why would the Collectors build A HUMAN reaper? It makes no sense to me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the Collectors one of the species the Reapers enslaved?

If so, why would they buy a human reaper? I think the Collectors made that huge robot/whatever/larva thing because they want to fight the reapers. (although tht doesn't make too much sense either, because I think the collectors get their technology from the Reapers)

Anyways. If this was the case. They chose humans because Shepard is a human and because he/she defetead Sovereign. Perhaps Harbringer wants Shepard's body to infuse the baby larva with it.



I think this also explains why TIM wants the Collector's base. I think he already knows all this but he doesn't want to tell Shepard because if he does there are chances tht Shepard would tell the Alliance or the Council about this (because unlike the Reapers, the Council acknowledges the existance of the Collectors) So TIM's plan would be to slowly convince Shepard that he is the only one with resources or power to fuel a research like this.

So, my thoughts are that TIM wants the Collector base because he wants to be in control of a weapon to fight the reapers. (atleast the technology to do so).

[Christmas Ape]

Catt128 wrote...

Why everyone says that's a human reaper ??

Why would the Collectors build A HUMAN reaper? It makes no sense to me.
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the Collectors one of the species the Reapers enslaved?
If so, why would they buy a human reaper? I think the Collectors made that huge robot/whatever/larva thing because they want to fight the reapers. (although tht doesn't make too much sense either, because I think the collectors get their technology from the Reapers)
Anyways. If this was the case. They chose humans because Shepard is a human and because he/she defetead Sovereign. Perhaps Harbringer wants Shepard's body to infuse the baby larva with it.

I think this also explains why TIM wants the Collector's base. I think he already knows all this but he doesn't want to tell Shepard because if he does there are chances tht Shepard would tell the Alliance or the Council about this (because unlike the Reapers, the Council acknowledges the existance of the Collectors) So TIM's plan would be to slowly convince Shepard that he is the only one with resources or power to fuel a research like this.
So, my thoughts are that TIM wants the Collector base because he wants to be in control of a weapon to fight the reapers. (atleast the technology to do so).

I...think you should probably play the game again. Don't skip any dialog this time.
Your theory is, basically, insane.

[heretica]

I've played the game twice. I read Drew's books, and Redemption.



That my theory is different doesn't mean it's not sane. :/



You humans are all racist.