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[imaDEVIENT]

In the new gameinformer mag that just came out the point out ME2 as being one to the most artistic game out.

It's only a 1 page article.

[RenownedRyan]

Link?

[LiquidGrape]

Artistic in what sense? The audiovisual design? On that I can agree.

[javierabegazo]

I'll only agree with that statement if by "only game out" they mean "recent game out".



Okami is pretty amazing

[LiquidGrape]

I could name several pieces I'd consider positively sublime.

Ico, The Path, Silent Hill, Braid, Grim Fandango, The Void, Portal, And Yet It Moves...

[SuperMedbh]

LiquidGrape wrote...

I could name several pieces I'd consider positively sublime.
Ico, The Path, Silent Hill, Braid, Grim Fandango, The Void, Portal, And Yet It Moves...

I've only played the Path and the Void out of that list, but will wholeheartedly agree with both.  And what I've seen of Silent Hill is terrific, but it creeped me out too much to play (the Path bothered me enough!)  I'll definitely have to check the others out.

Still, talking about the Path, despite all the buzz as it got, the only reason Tale of Tales broke even on it was that they were working on an art grant.  While it remains my favourite videogame to date, in a way I'm more encouraged by games like Silent Hill and Mass Effect, which are perhaps more mainstream but also manage to be artistically satisfying.  Sure, they're horror and space opera respectively, but I'm not one to turn my nose up at genre fiction.  Shakespeare had his share of 'sploshions and slapstick connecting the soliloquies. 

[LiquidGrape]

Oh, I didn't mean to make a judgement of value. If there's anything I hate, it's when people attempt to define "great art".
As if the artistic expression wasn't enough in the first place.
What I meant by primarily referring to Mass Effect's audial and visual aspects, was that these are arguably the areas in which the franchise really shows its colours. So to speak.

And Tale of Tales is probably my favourite creative company involved with the interactive arts at the moment.
Their FATALE is worth checking out as well, though the control scheme is perhaps a bit too consciously obscure for its own good.

Oh, and I'd like to add one more prominent title to my list; Mirror's Edge.
Despite the throwaway intrigue and tiresome combat sections, it's an ethereal experience.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 21 juin 2010 - 05:32 .

[SuperMedbh]

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were a high art snob (you're here, after all!). I suppose I'm defensive about my love for genre fiction. Tale of Tales is an intriguing company; I've all of their games, even the Graveyard (the Endless Forest seemed to bug my compy, though). I agree with you on Fatale, they seem to have a thing about weird control mechanisms. I'm not sure that contributes to the experience much.



BTW, just found "And Yet It Moves..." as a demo on Steam. I'm not big into platformers, but it's very visually compelling. Thanks for the recommendation!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Art doesn't exist. A creation is a creation.

[SuperMedbh]

I think the problem is not with the word "art" but with the word "Art", if that makes any sense.  LiquidGrape pointed that out before--  there's a few out there who like to scorn anything that doesn't fit their preconceptions of Art as just "entertainment".  I don't know if anyone remembers the Roger Ebert column about how videogames can't be art (click, if you really want to read it).  For the record, I respect Ebert when it comes to his favourite medium (film), but found his views ironic because movies were once scorned the same way videogames are now.

Are there inartistic videogames?  Oh, yes.  But Iet's call them bad art, rather than start some conversation about where art exists in pixel format.  And there are certainly many emotionally moving parts of Mass Effect and other good games.  To me, that's what defines good art.

Modifié par SuperMedbh, 22 juin 2010 - 01:18 .

[The Tony Show]

This argument has raged for years, made nasty again by Roger Ebert's article where he basically acts like a 10 year old Internet troll and craps all over games in general, despite knowing ZERO about them.



Bottom line for me? Who cares if it's "art" or not? No one can even define what "art" is, and I don't need for things that I enjoy to meet some nebulous requirements for categorization in order to justify my enjoyment of them. I like looking at certain paintings, I like reading certain books, and I like playing certain games. Whether those things are all "art" or if they just happen to be things I enjoy is inconsequential to me.

[YohkoOhno]

Actually, I think when people try to define their favorite stuff as "art", it comes off as pretentious. I actually agree with Ebert regarding most video games. I'm sorry, but even good games like Deus Ex Origins, Half Life, Portal, Dragon Age: Origins, etc, comes nowhere near to the Fine Arts.

Let's face it, 95% of stuff is "low art", or "pop art". There's nothing near an academy award system for videogames, and I think people getting offended at Ebert's commentary don't get what he means by art.  

Art by that definition is something that will last decades, to other generations.  It has intrinsic value.  I don't see anything in today's videogames that comes close to that yet.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 22 juin 2010 - 01:29 .

[LiquidGrape]

I'd say that art is anything which displays deliberate artistic intent.
A definition which would stretch from a childs drawing to a costly piece of architecture.

The value applied to art is something you must assign yourself and for yourself, if you deem it necessary.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 22 juin 2010 - 01:30 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Thats because it was the same argument used against music, against film and against any type of change in medium.

[YohkoOhno]

When Critics like Ebert talk about Videogames not being art, they are more specifically discussing the Fine Arts.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Art



I don't see anything yet in video games that approaches this.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I doubt that was his intention or else this debate wouldn't exist.

[KalosCast]

YohkoOhno wrote...

When Critics like Ebert talk about Videogames not being art, they are more specifically discussing the Fine Arts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Art

I don't see anything yet in video games that approaches this.

Video Games are a relatively new creation (let's be generous and say about 45 years of existence), and only recently in their lifetime have they tried anything artistic. The overwhelming majority of literature, cinema, paintings, music, drawings, dance, and most other things that have a place in "Fine Art" wouldn't actually be classified as such... and they've had a head start.

It's also a term that's generally fallen out of favor for being overwhelmingly pretentious and poorly defined... so take that however you will.

[InvaderErl]

YohkoOhno wrote...

When Critics like Ebert talk about Videogames not being art, they are more specifically discussing the Fine Arts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Art

I don't see anything yet in video games that approaches this.

http://tale-of-tales.com/ThePath/


There ya go.

[YohkoOhno]

I still doubt it will be defined as Fine art.