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[Fiery Phoenix]

PearlSora wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

Not directly related to the suicide mission but... is it possible to willingly not recruit some squad members? I'm almost done with my playthrough and it seems to me like Legion is the only one you can skip.

Tali, Samara, and Thane can all be skipped and not recruited at all. But then, you would be screwing yourself out of content.

I see... I might want to try that in another playthrough. But how do I trigger the event of the disabled collector vessel?

You can do N7 missions, DLC missions, or the loyalty missions of the ones already recruited. As soon as you've completed five missions, whether it be N7, loyalty or DLC, the Collector Ship mission will trigger. You don't have to recruit the other half of the time. Completing any five missions will suffice to advance the plot.

[PearlSora]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

Not directly related to the suicide mission but... is it possible to willingly not recruit some squad members? I'm almost done with my playthrough and it seems to me like Legion is the only one you can skip.

Tali, Samara, and Thane can all be skipped and not recruited at all. But then, you would be screwing yourself out of content.

I see... I might want to try that in another playthrough. But how do I trigger the event of the disabled collector vessel?

You can do N7 missions, DLC missions, or the loyalty missions of the ones already recruited. As soon as you've completed five missions, whether it be N7, loyalty or DLC, the Collector Ship mission will trigger. You don't have to recruit the other half of the time. Completing any five missions will suffice to advance the plot.

Got it. Thanks for your help!

Modifié par PearlSora, 21 août 2010 - 04:29 .

[IanPolaris]

PearlSora wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

Not directly related to the suicide mission but... is it possible to willingly not recruit some squad members? I'm almost done with my playthrough and it seems to me like Legion is the only one you can skip.

Tali, Samara, and Thane can all be skipped and not recruited at all. But then, you would be screwing yourself out of content.

I see... I might want to try that in another playthrough. But how do I trigger the event of the disabled collector vessel?

I believe after you do five missions of any type (local side quests like the Illium, Citadel, or Omega don't count), TIM will want to talk to you and that triggers the disabled collector vessel.  So if you do Firewalker and Overlord for example, you will trigger it as easy as you please.  You can also trigger it by doing the four loyalty missions of the people you have on board I believe or any combination.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 21 août 2010 - 04:31 .

[The Beatles]

If I do everything exept Reaper IFF and Tali's loyalty mission, I should be able to do the IFF mission, complete and activate Legion and talk and then don't talk to him again right away...and since I have Tali's loyalty mission...can I take Legion with me? And complete Tali's mission and then go talk with him again to get his loyalty mission and have that be the one mission I finish to trigger the abduction?

So I am talkingabout having 2 missions after IFF and activation of Legion, but don't have his mission in the journal just yet. I wait untill Tali's is done to get his. Therefore his mission is the trigger and I finish and the crew is F'ed and I go right away....?

Modifié par The Beatles, 21 août 2010 - 08:54 .

[Pacifien]

When the Derelict Reaper mission is done fairly late in the game, it greatly reduces the number of missions you can do upon receiving the IFF, but I'm not sure at one point you only have time to do one mission. The way you're describing it, there's a very real chance you'll only have time to do one of the loyalty missions, so you must choose between Tali or Legion. Couldn't tell you for sure, though.

[CroGamer002]

Question.

No DLC character, Grunt in tank, Legion sold for Cerberus/not activated, no loyalty and all upgrades.

Is it possible to survive Suicide Mission?

[Pacifien]

Mesina2 wrote...
Question.
No DLC character, Grunt in tank, Legion sold for Cerberus/not activated, no loyalty and all upgrades.
Is it possible to survive Suicide Mission?

Yes.

[The Beatles]

Pacifien wrote...

When the Derelict Reaper mission is done fairly late in the game, it greatly reduces the number of missions you can do upon receiving the IFF, but I'm not sure at one point you only have time to do one mission. The way you're describing it, there's a very real chance you'll only have time to do one of the loyalty missions, so you must choose between Tali or Legion. Couldn't tell you for sure, though.

what if I go get Legion the second TIM tells me about it?

[Pacifien]

The Beatles wrote...
what if I go get Legion the second TIM tells me about it?

In my experience, you'll have time to do quite a few missions before the crew is abducted, but not enough missions to cover everyone's loyalty missions. However, you don't need to have everyone's loyalty to do a completely successful run of the final mission, so you can be selective and smart about it.

But a lot of Legion's interactions do tend to get missed precisely because people are working toward a perfect final run, and his recruitment is intertwined with the inevitable crew abduction, so they do it last. Wish Bioware hadn't done that.

[CroGamer002]

Pacifien wrote...

The Beatles wrote...
what if I go get Legion the second TIM tells me about it?

In my experience, you'll have time to do quite a few missions before the crew is abducted, but not enough missions to cover everyone's loyalty missions. However, you don't need to have everyone's loyalty to do a completely successful run of the final mission, so you can be selective and smart about it.

But a lot of Legion's interactions do tend to get missed precisely because people are working toward a perfect final run, and his recruitment is intertwined with the inevitable crew abduction, so they do it last. Wish Bioware hadn't done that.

Screw the crew!
I'll have fun with Legion!

Modifié par Mesina2, 22 août 2010 - 07:54 .

[The Beatles]

Pacifien wrote...

The Beatles wrote...
what if I go get Legion the second TIM tells me about it?

In my experience, you'll have time to do quite a few missions before the crew is abducted, but not enough missions to cover everyone's loyalty missions. However, you don't need to have everyone's loyalty to do a completely successful run of the final mission, so you can be selective and smart about it.

But a lot of Legion's interactions do tend to get missed precisely because people are working toward a perfect final run, and his recruitment is intertwined with the inevitable crew abduction, so they do it last. Wish Bioware hadn't done that.

Yeah. In every play I did I kept Tali's loyalty mission and IFF last and went and got Legion so I could take him with me to Tali's lyoalty mission for the extra dialouge, I'm not sure if bringing him has any change in things but it was always fun.

So in every run I always had 2 missions after the IFF. Tali's loyalty mission and Legion's loyaylty. And everytime I did Tali's with Legion you know it was fun and when I went to go do Legion's loyalty the second I left for that mission the crew got F'ed. So I always didn't go to the final right away, and Kelly died and a few others, although they weren't that important. But I for my perfect run into ME3 I wanted to keep everyone, and that way the doctor could be a little happier.

So is there a way to do what I do but be able to keep everyone alive? And I mean EVERYONE. I am guessing I will need to do Tali's loyaylty mission with someone else and keep the IFF and Legions loyaylty for the very last. that way I only have one mission after the IFF, and I'm assuming sometimes you get 2 missions or just one or none. So that's what I need help with.

[FlyinElk212]

Pacifien wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Question.
No DLC character, Grunt in tank, Legion sold for Cerberus/not activated, no loyalty and all upgrades.
Is it possible to survive Suicide Mission?

Yes.

SUICIDE MISSION- Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Garrus, Jack, Tali, Thane, Samara (all unloyal)

VENTS- Send Tali- Tali Dies
ESCORT- No Escort- Crew Dies
BUBBLE- Choose Jacob as Bubbler, Samara & Jack- Jack Dies
2ND LEADER- Choose Miranda, Miranda Lives
FINAL BOSS- Mordin & Thane, Mordin & Thane Die
HOLD THE LINE-ERS- Garrus (3), Miranda (1), Jacob (1), Samara (1) = 6. 6/4 = 1 1/2, meaning only Miranda Dies.

FINAL SURVIVORS= Garrus, Jacob, Samara = SHEPARD LIVES

And they call it a "suicide mission". What a joke.

[Lewie]

Its called a suicide mission because they 'think' no-one can survive the relay, not because your 'supposed' to die. lol.

[FlyinElk212]

louise101 wrote...

Its called a suicide mission because they 'think' no-one can survive the relay, not because your 'supposed' to die. lol.

What other in-game characters think about the mission is irrelevant. The DEVELOPERS of Mass Effect 2 have stated that there is a very real possibilty of Shepard dying, and that the Suicide Mission is a harrowing, difficult experience which will almost inevitably have sacrifices.

Simply put, they didn't follow up on either account, and the hype of the Suicide Mission fell flat on its face. If it's MORE DIFFICULT to get your Shepard to die than it is to get him to live, then that's not a good sign for their highly tauted selling point.

You can't deny that.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 22 août 2010 - 05:48 .

[IanPolaris]

I have to agree with FlyningElk. It takes an active effort to get shepard to die in the suicide mission even if you do everything wrong.



That's not a 'realistic' chance of Shepard dying IMO.



-Polaris

[Eber]

The Beatles wrote...
So is there a way to do what I do but be able to keep everyone alive? And I mean EVERYONE.

You can always do Legion's and Tali's loyalty missions after the suicide mission. If you have the Kasumi DLC that is.

To get disloyal people (like Legion and Tali in this scenario) out on the other side alive you just have them hold the line. If you keep the weaklings (Kasumi, Mordin, Jack) out of the line by giving them other roles i.e. take them to the boss or use them as escort no one will die.

Modifié par Eber, 23 août 2010 - 04:33 .

[The Beatles]

Eber wrote...

The Beatles wrote...
So is there a way to do what I do but be able to keep everyone alive? And I mean EVERYONE.

You can always do Legion's and Tali's loyalty missions after the suicide mission. If you have the Kasumi DLC that is.

To get disloyal people (like Legion and Tali in this scenario) out on the other side alive you just have them hold the line. If you keep the weaklings (Kasumi, Mordin, Jack) out of the line by giving them other roles i.e. take them to the boss or use them as escort no one will die.

Cool thanks. I've never done it any differenty but is there a way to not trigger the abudction? Like not do anything after the IFF and just launch the SM? I'm proly wrong but I assume if once you do the IFF and get Legion you won't trigger anything but I the final.

Or maybe I just brain farted and to do it this way the thing that triggers it is just going to the Omega -4 relay.

Idk

[Eber]

I don't know the exact workings of it but generally speaking the less you do before you get the IFF the more missions you can do after before it is activated. It seems you should always be able to do Legion's mission before triggering the abduction though.

Await IFF Installation
The time limit is unknown for Reaper IFF installation. In some cases, where all previous missions have been completed prior to the IFF mission, the IFF will install immediately. It seems that the trigger is Legion's loyalty mission. If the player acquires Legion's loyalty mission before accessing the galaxy map, it seems the game allows the player one mission before activating the installation. In other cases, the player is allowed many more missions to be completed before the IFF is installed. (It is possible that the game tallies how many loyalty missions must still be completed and assigns that many missions before installation). More confirmation is needed.

Modifié par Eber, 23 août 2010 - 06:34 .

[Pacifien]

Sounds like more SCIENCE is in order to determine this timetable. Good, I was looking for another motivation to replay the game.

[The Beatles]

Or we all could just do some loyalty missions after the SM. I mean no need to stress about it. I know I was.I'm gonna try the hole thing since I have Kasumi and do legions and tali's after the big end.

I like having that option, it gives me some relax time so to speak. Get everyone else good and get the ship in fighting shape and then go save the galaxy, with EVERYONE back on board. Then it also gives me something even more to do after the game.

eh?

[Pacifien]

I do save missions for after the Suicide Mission because that's the only way you'll get more dialogue out of Legion if he was the last one you picked up.

[Alex475]

Ecael wrote...

With this in mind, it is possible to get the No One Left Behind achievement with 3 loyals by recruiting the bare minimum number of squadmates (8).

3 loyal, all survive

And now for the credits...

I lost Legion due to opt for him to scort the crew back to the ship, he was the only non loyal teammember after the Tali vs Legion thing which I somehow didn't have a renegade/good guy option(which I don't know why either), is it possible to finish the game without losing him or I have to start the whole game again(I already made 5 diferent Sheppards so I was waiting for the new ME2 PS3 version to play more). I saved the game before the final battle and the ship is all upgraded so it will hold them alive but once they are out. Is there a way to keep him on the ship... I guess not right.

[Alex475]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

PearlSora wrote...

Not directly related to the suicide mission but... is it possible to willingly not recruit some squad members? I'm almost done with my playthrough and it seems to me like Legion is the only one you can skip.

Tali, Samara, and Thane can all be skipped and not recruited at all. But then, you would be screwing yourself out of content.

I see... I might want to try that in another playthrough. But how do I trigger the event of the disabled collector vessel?

You can do N7 missions, DLC missions, or the loyalty missions of the ones already recruited. As soon as you've completed five missions, whether it be N7, loyalty or DLC, the Collector Ship mission will trigger. You don't have to recruit the other half of the time. Completing any five missions will suffice to advance the plot.

Would you be able to recruit them after? That would be a way to keep them alive thought.

[The Beatles]

Pacifien wrote...

I do save missions for after the Suicide Mission because that's the only way you'll get more dialogue out of Legion if he was the last one you picked up.

That's the new plan. I'm about to go get Legion right now and try this hole thing. Need to save before it all to be sure!!

But just for fun, what is proly the best run you can do to load into ME3? I know everyone does it their way but...With everything done, everyone happy in the squad, perfect final run with not one ded. And with the new Liara dlc and some regular missions still left after you beat it?

Almost like a perfect true paragon playthrough. Atleast that's what I am. Everyone alive and paragon actions with everyone everytime.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Walking into this late in the conversation but usually I had time to do legion's loyalty mission after the IFF was accomplished but that is the  " burning the bridge" point of the game where the abduction occurs and you have a choice of following them or putzing around the galaxy for the stuff you didn't get.


I had a strange experince. 

In many cases, I had a problem concerning Tali and Morden dying for no apparent reason but the roll of the dice until I found this worked for the  " No One Left Behind"  score.

1. Legion goes through the ventaliation shaft.
2. Miranda leads the first fire team.
3. I didn't see much in terms of who you picked going into the collector ship, so I took my favorite infantry punchers with either Garrus/Thane or  Garrus/Grunt.
4. This is where I found it really mattered.  Garrus for the 2nd fire team mission.   Samara or Jack could be used for the biotic sheild as everyone else will screw it up. Then whom ever you wanted to play with you... that was usually Grunt and a none infantry person.

The final part... is where I got mixed results.  I found that if I took Legion and Samra with me, for some odd reason, everyone survived. If I took Garrus and Grunt --- someone from the line gets killed and it was usually Morden or Tali.

Mind you I would never bring Legion or Samara with me to fight the Reaper --- I'd rather have  Grunt and Garrus but seems if you take your heavy hitters away from the line then the line is very weak --- minus Garru's leadership. So I'm guessing the odds come from the characters themsevles.  If you left Garrus then you'd have two strong leaders  Miranda/Garrus to insure the team acted properly.  The combination of  Tali and Morden I guess would have a strong tech value to the team and the combined biotics of  Jacob, Miranda, and Jack held up their end.

But that was my 100 percent surviviability combination.   

Edit:  Forgot something --- I also used Thane instead of Morden to escourt the surviviors.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 23 août 2010 - 06:41 .