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[Fiery Phoenix]

Cool! Thanks for taking the time to modify it, Pacifien. Ecael will appreciate it.

[SimonTheFrog]

oh boy... this made me cross-eyed. But i guess there is no easier way to present the facts.

[Sursion]

I can never get 4 squadmates to die holding the line. I had unloyal Jack, Tali, Mordin, Kasumi, and Jack survives every time. I even had 2 loyal squadmates with me to the final boss PLUS a surviving escort.

[Pacifien]

You can only get the four unloyal to die in one situation: when Shepard also dies. I managed to cut this out in the modified guide, so I'll put it back.

[Cyberfrog81]

Crap. I also screwed up on that one.

[JG The Gamer]

I came up with this idea of not having any loyal teammates, but properly upgrading my ship prior to the mission.



Vents: Tali

Fire 1: Whoever



Escort: Mordin

Biotic: Anyone but Jack

Teammate to get carried off: Jack

Fire 2: Kasumi



Final Battle Teammates: Miranda and Jacob

Everyone else holds the line. I did the math and got a score of 2.0 My 6 remaining squadmates are:



Garrus - 3

Samara - 1

Legion - 1

Thane - 1

Zaeed - 3

Grunt - 3



Makes 12, divy 6 makes 2. By that logic, they should all survive.



Haven't actually tested it myself, but it looks feasible on paper. Would it work?

[Sursion]

Yes it would work. Garrus, Zaeed, Grunt, Legion, Samara, Thane, Crew, and Shepard survive.

[JG The Gamer]

Awesome. I was thinking of doing a run where my Shep is focused on just the mission and nothing else, but bothers to make sure the ship is ready. If the crew survives, then they can get their loyalty missions done. Scratch Shep's back and he/she scratches yours.

Now I'll just need to find out if I can fully do romances after said mission.

Thanks Sursion

Modifié par JG The Gamer, 18 novembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

JG The Gamer wrote...

Awesome. I was thinking of doing a run where my Shep is focused on just the mission and nothing else, but bothers to make sure the ship is ready. If the crew survives, then they can get their loyalty missions done. Scratch Shep's back and he/she scratches yours.

Now I'll just need to find out if I can fully do romances after said mission.

Thanks Sursion

I can 100% guarantee that playthrough will work because I've done it myself a while ago, I even posted a piccy of the surviving squad somewhere in the 'worse playthrough' topic on these boards.

As for romance, am assuming as you've got no female LIs left that your doing it with a FemShep, you hould be able to get the full romance experience post-suicide, I've had one Shep who romanced Jack pre-suicide mission, Jack died during Suicide Mission and so Shep went on to romance Miranda post-Suicide Mission. As the romance conversations are only triggered post-loyalty you shouldn't have an issue. When you do the conversations with them, after the last dialogue conversation it'll jump straight to the romance cut-scene as if just about to go through the suicide mission (but obviously after the romance bit will just have Shepard back in whichever room the LI is in, rather than going through the whole suicide mission stuff again).

I don't have that playthrough anymore though because I overwrote it with my 'Only Shep and DLC characters survive' playthrough.

Am looking forward to doing my 'Ilium is out of bounds' playthrough. Which basically means, no thane or samara, Miranda non-loyal and no interaction with Liara

It's also going to be a minimalist/anti-cerberus playthrough in which none of Kasumi, Zaeed, Jacob or Legion's loyalty missions are done (because not trusting of Geth either, but not giving to Cerberus).

I've worked out that everyone that makes it into the team can survive as even though don't trust cerberus agree with Jacob that armor needs upgrading. So all ship upgrades means no deaths inbound then following happens.

Vents: Tali
Team Leader: Garrus
Biotic: Jack
Escort: Mordin - loyal so survives with crew
2nd TL: Garrus
Final Battle: Tali and Jack - both loyal so both survive
HtL: Miranda (1pt due to NL), Jacob (1pt due to NL), Garrus (4pt due to L), Grunt (4pt due to L), Kasumi (0pt due to NL), Zaeed (3pt due to NL) and Legion (1pt due to NL) = total points of 14 with 7 squadmates HtL = average of 2 = everyone on HtL survives.

[Da_Lion_Man]

So if you have everyone unloyal and with all upgrades, is there actually a way to make Tali survive?

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes. Refer to the ultimate Omega-4 guide for details.

[Sursion]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

So if you have everyone unloyal and with all upgrades, is there actually a way to make Tali survive?

I don't think so. I've been trying for the last 2 hours with no luck. Ecaels guide says if you get equal to 1.5, only one squadmate dies. I got 1.5 and both Mordin and Tali died. Something is fishy in Ecaels guide.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Well... one way to get Tali to survive whilst everyone ELSE is unloyal is to not bother recruiting her until after the suicide mission



On a serious note, technically you should be able to.



Vents - Kasumi (TL doesn't matter obviously)

Biotic Swarm - use Samara and have Zaeed and Jack as squadmates (Jack dies)

2nd TL - cheat time... use Miranda (she'll live)

Escort - Jacob (I know you might be thinking adding numbers to the HtL team will help but in this case it won't, it will hinder it)

Final Battle - Miranda and Legion

HtL team = Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara, Thane, Tali and Mordin = 1.57, sooo technically it should juuust be enough to get Tali out alive



Can't confirm this at moment though as my PC is screwed.

[Cyberfrog81]

Untested:
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TAKING A TRIP TO THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [zaeed,legion,samara,tali,mordin,garrus,miranda,grunt,jacob,thane,jack,kasumi]...
    Choose any two to fight the Oculus
Upgrades
    Armor        (yes)
    Shielding   (yes)
    Cannon     (yes)


CRASHING DOWN ON THE COLLECTOR BASE
with [zaeed,legion,samara,tali,mordin,garrus,miranda,grunt,jacob,thane,jack,kasumi]...
    Chosen for Tech Expert: jacob
    Chosen for Leader #1: kasumi
    Choose any two to go with Shepard

REACHING THE FIRST DOOR
with [zaeed,legion,samara,tali,mordin,garrus,miranda,grunt,jacob,thane,jack,kasumi]...
                                                                                 ** Death: [jacob] **
    Chosen for Bubble Biotic: thane
    Chosen for Leader #2: miranda
    Chosen to escort crew: jack
    Going with Shepard: [samara,zaeed]
        (zaeed can be replaced with one of: [mordin,tali,kasumi])

REACHING THE SECOND DOOR
with [zaeed,legion,samara,tali,mordin,garrus,miranda,grunt,thane,kasumi]...
    Choice of thane caused death of samara
    Escort jack dead (not loyal)
                                                                                  ** Deaths: [samara,jack] **

HOLDING THE LINE
we find [tali,garrus,legion,thane,zaeed,grunt,mordin],
   having a hold-the-line score of 1.57143
    (Shepard went to the boss with: [miranda,kasumi])
                                                                                  ** Deaths: [mordin] **

SO, SHEPARD IS FIGHTING THE HUMAN REAPER
with [miranda,kasumi]
                                                                                  ** Deaths: [miranda,kasumi] **

*** FINAL TEAM: [tali,garrus,legion,thane,zaeed,grunt] ***

[AlexMBrennan]

I'd suggest not recruiting Thane and Samara:

- send Legion to die in the vents

- choose Jacob as biotic specialist, Jack to take the bullet from the swarms, Miranda as 2nd fire team leader, Mordin to die escorting the crew

- pick Miranda, Jacob for the final team, leaving Tali, Garrus and Grunt to hold the line.

[Lowenhart]

Not really that hard you just gather all first dossier members, complete their loyalty quest before collector ship, then you recruit and clear all loyalty except Legion and 1other sqaud member before derelict reaper IFF, then you do other sqaurd member loyalty and then legion and by this time(remember all ship upgrades). The collectors will attack ship and you can rush directly into omega 4 relay right after fully ready, this model worked for me so far(with all members 100% loyal).

Ofcause this model wont work if you wanna play with legion earlier on however.

Modifié par Lowenhart, 19 novembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes, but completing loyalty quests kinda conflicts with the "everyone unloyal" part of

So if you have everyone unloyal and with all upgrades, is there actually a way to make Tali survive?

[JG The Gamer]

Well with the idea I presented, my plan was to kill off the squishies as they are liabilities when the time comes to hold the line. Tali's score is 0 when unloyal. Therefore she is a liability and therefore will die.

[JG The Gamer]

Here's another number cruncher. No loyalty, no upgrades. I wanna see if it's statistically possible. The goal again is to get rid of your liabilities as fast as you can before the time comes to hold the line.

Miranda - 1
Jacob - 1
Zaeed - 3
Mordin - 0
Kasumi - 0
Garrus - 3
Grunt - 3
Jack - 0
Samara - 1
Thane - 1
Tali - 0
Legion - 1

First Attack - No Ship Armor
Jack dies
Core overload
Kasumi Dies
Collector Ship Battle
Thane Dies

So once that's done:

Miranda - 1
Jacob - 1
Zaeed - 3
Mordin - 0
Garrus - 3
Grunt - 3
Samara - 1
Tali - 0
Legion - 1

You lose two squishies as hoped, but Thane is lost.

Techie Time (Techie - Mordin) (Fire Leader - Anyone)
Goodbye Mordin

Miranda - 1

Jacob - 1

Zaeed - 3

Garrus - 3

Grunt - 3

Samara - 1

Legion - 1

Send Legion, Samara, or Jacob to escort the crew. For this example, we'll use Samara

Biotic Walk
Have Miranda lead the 2nd fire team. She will survive.

Have Jacob create the bubble with Tali and Zaeed as your teammates. Tali will be carried off and you're spared another squishy liability.

Your team now looks like this:

Miranda - 1


Jacob - 1


Zaeed - 3


Garrus - 3


Grunt - 3


Legion - 1

Take: Legion, Jacob, or Miranda. In this example, we'll take Jacob and Legion.


Miranda - 1



Zaeed - 3



Garrus - 3



Grunt - 3

The hold the line total is 10. 10/5=2 By that logic, they should hold the line. And goodbye to Samara and Legion. Or Jacob and Miranda if you so wish. Or a different mixture. Just do not take Zaeed, Garrus, or Grunt with you or you'll skew the results not likely in your favour. For romance after the mission, FemShep can have Garrus while MaleShep has Miranda. If you didn't escort the crew unfortunately this means:

-You'll have to check your computers for email
-Microwave instant dinners or order intergalactic pizza
-Miranda (if she survives) becomes the new doctor
-No rambling from Mordin
-You have to feed your own fish

So with good management of your available resources, and perhaps some cruelty you can survive. Charging in unprepared is not a 100% guarantee of death, but the odds are not in your favor.

Modifié par JG The Gamer, 19 novembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Lowenhart]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Yes, but completing loyalty quests kinda conflicts with the "everyone unloyal" part of

So if you have everyone unloyal and with all upgrades, is there actually a way to make Tali survive?

Yes sorry was just saying it forward people who wanna have all crew member survive, as i thought it is a easy way to get everything one wanna clear cleared before finally showdown.

[Snowraptor]

anyone can survive as the first fire team leaders, that is just stupid, the second fire team, some how miranda in her skin tight clothes has a better chance to stop a gut shot then some one with full body armor like zaeed. and no loyalty which also makes mirandas loyalty mission almost pointless

[Katamariguy]

thank you for giving me a first-try no one left behind achievement!

[Aggie Punbot]

Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of loyalty missions you can do and still have the entire squad survive?

[Pacifien]

TS2Aggie wrote...
Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of loyalty missions you can do and still have the entire squad survive?

For a squad of 12 (maximum number recruitable), it's 7. For a squad of 8 (minimum number recruitable), it is 3.

This post explains how.

[Dreamion]

Evaluate mine.


No Zaeed, Grunt still stuck in the bottle. The loyals are Tali, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin

No armor: Jack dies
No shields: Legion, and Kasumi for the Occulus fight, this should kill Tali.
No Thanix cannon: Thane is dead.

Tech Specialist = Miranda, she's gone, fireteam leader doesn't matter, probably Jacob.
Swarm = Samara and Jacob, she'll fail and either she or he will die.
2nd fireteam lead = Garrus, I don't think he'll die but I hope he does.
Escort = Samara or Jacob, whoever survived, they'll die here.
Hold the Line team = Garrus + Mordin (Hoping Mordin survives, but meh)
Boss team = Legion + Kasumi.

So did I miss something? Did I plan it correctly?
My hope is for me, Kasumi, and Legion to survive while the rest dies. Mordin and Tali would have been nice but I had to make sacrifices
Btw, if I throw in Zaeed in the Hold the Line, will he die? Cause that would be a pretty sweet bonus..

Modifié par Dreamion, 28 novembre 2010 - 11:17 .