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[The-Mimic]

Thanks for the replies.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Curious, is it guaranteed you loss a squad mate on HtL if the value equates to below 2.0? I am attempting to determine any way to not be required to leave two of Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt behind. And yes, I would prefer recruiting everyone.

[Da_Lion_Man]

Yes it is guaranteed. Anything lower than 2.0 will make you lose at least 1 squadmate.

[minormiracle]

I just had a thought. We know enough about the mechanics of the end game by this point that we're able to save or not save just about anyone of our choosing with some forethought. But I was wondering if it would be possible to go on every single loyalty mission, hence grab all the upgrades, yet still get everybody killed. I came up with a planned sequence of events to do all the missions and still have a full party wipe. Will this work?

Do everyone's loyalty mission. Side with Jack, side with Tali, fail Thane, Samara, and Zaeed. Buy no defensive ship upgrades.

Roster: Crew, GARRUS, GRUNT, JACK, JACOB, KASUMI, legion, miranda, MORDIN, samara, TALI, thane, zaeed

Take Thane and Zaeed to fight Oculus. Jack is laser fried, Kasumi vaporized, and Garrus kabob'd upon arrival.

Roster: Crew, GRUNT, JACOB, legion, miranda, MORDIN, samara, TALI, thane, zaeed

Jacob goes in tunnels, Zaeed leads fire team. Jacob gets headshot.

Roster: Crew, GRUNT, legion, miranda, MORDIN, samara, TALI, thane, zaeed

Samara forms shield. Zaeed leads second fire team. You go with Miranda and Grunt and send no escort for the crew. Crew is liquified, Zaeed goes down as second fireteam leader, and Grunt is carried off by seekers since Miranda can't get killed until the endgame.

Roster: legion, miranda, MORDIN, samara, TALI, thane

Taking non loyal Legion and Thane for the final mission will get them killed. Leaving Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Tali to hold the line.

Roster: miranda, MORDIN, samara, TALI

Tali and Mordin suck at defense and Miranda and Samara are non loyal. Is that enough to get everybody killed?

Modifié par minormiracle, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:24 .

[minormiracle]

Never mind, looked up the actual defense values and did some recauculations for the end game.

Do everyone's loyalty mission. Side with Jack, side with Legion, fail Thane, Samara, and Zaeed. Buy no defensive ship upgrades. Dither for 3 missions before going to rescue the crew. Take Thane and Kasumi to fight Oculus. Jack is laser fried, Legion vaporized, and Garrus kabob'd upon arrival. Jacob goes in tunnels, Zaeed leads fire team. Jacob gets headshot. Samara forms shield. Zaeed leads second fire team. You go with Miranda and Grunt and send Samara back to the ship. Crew except for Dr Chakwas is liquified, Samara dies saving Dr Chakwas, Zaeed goes down as second fireteam leader, and Grunt is carried off by seekers since Miranda can't get killed until the endgame. Taking non loyal Miranda and Thane for the final mission will get them killed. Leaving loyal Kasumi, loyal Mordin, and non loyal Tali to hold the line. Final defense value is 0.66, leading to two deaths. Kasumi survives but can't pull you up alone so the game treats it as a party wipe. That leaves Joker, doctor Chakwas, and maybe Kasumi to figure out a way to defeat the reapers.

This is all assuming Thane can be saved from the pylon spike during the "no thanix cannon" engagement by taking him to fight Oculus so that Garrus dies in his place, which I can't remember if it's possible or not.

Modifié par minormiracle, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:25 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

minormiracle wrote...

This is all assuming Thane can be saved from the pylon spike during the "no thanix cannon" engagement by taking him to fight Oculus so that Garrus dies in his place, which I can't remember if it's possible or not.

Unfortunately, you cannot. If Thane is recruited, he will always die at that scene. If you do the following, it should work.

- No Heavy Ship Armor upgrade. (Jack dies)
- No Multicore Shielding upgrade. Take Kasumi and anyone with the exception of Legion to fight the Oculus. (Legion dies)
- No Thanix Cannon upgrade. (Thane dies)
- Choose Jacob as the Tech Specialist. (Jacob dies)
- Choose a disloyal Miranda as the Biotic bubble babe. Bring Samara and Garrus. (Garrus dies)
- Choose Grunt as the second fire team leader. (Grunt dies)
- Samara. (Samara dies)
- Bring Miranda and Zaeed to fight Baby Reaperminator. (Miranda and Zaeed die)
- Holding the Line is defended by Tali, Kasumi and Mordin. (They all die since only one would technically survive and we require
two squad mates.)
- Shepard dies.

@Da Lion

I figured as much. Thanks.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:26 .

[InvincibleHero]

I had everyone loyal had Zaeed no Kasumi. Everyone survived when I used Jack and Legion in the last battle. I had sent Garrus to protect the crew going to the ship since I figured it would take someone strong to protect them. So I just made it with two points (18/8) to spare. LOL. That'll teach you to always keep your big guns in reserve.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Was thinking of making own topic about this but figured might as well post here seeing as it is semi-relevant. Basically utilising the 'minimalist' playthrough, I've worked out a way for a 'new' ME2 player to get their 1st character to level 30. Basically you do all the main missions and only do Tali, Jack and Miranda/Jacob's loyalty (latter if can't get paragon/renegade score to 50% by time of potentially doing Miranda's loyalty mission) before SM, then do everyone elses post-SM and do the majority of the N7 missions (only really need 2 prior to act as 'abduction scene' starters) and all the DLC (although I worked out that you could do Liara pre-SM if want to make use of the upgrades from that). With 2 recruitments (thane and samara) and 9 loyalty missions, plus the added bonus from the DLCs and N7 missions, that should easily take the player through to 30.



Probably not a great idea to do it on insanity though as by time of SM probably only level 15 and of course missing some upgrades due to recruitment/loyalty missions not done. Am taking Jack (avatar) through using something close to this method on Friday when I get the game for PS3, although I'll have Jacob AND Miranda loyal as I aim to kill Jack (Subject Zero) off during the Swarm (Miranda as Biotic, Zaeed as other squadmate, Jacob as leader > ). As Jack is my 'Pro-Cerberus' Shepard



Anyway just figured would post this idea up in case anyone else getting the game for PS3 (or one of the other systems) and was wondering if possible to get to 30 on first playthrough

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[Jade Elf]

Considering PS3 players get all the mission DLCs as well as Kasumi and Zaeed right off the bat, it shouldn't be too hard getting to level 30 by the time you're "ready" for the SM, even without the 25% XP bonus.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Am not so sure, from my calculations they'd probably only get to about 28 tops. If I recall correctly the only chance anyone had of getting to 30 on first playthrough when game first came out (with Zaeed included as he was day 1 DLC release) was if imported a level 50+ from ME. That gave you a boost to level 4-5 at the start. Now if you add Kasumi, Firewalker, Overlord and LotSB that's an extra 3375xp pre-SM. That's only just 3 levels. You probably could get away with doing some of the other loyalty missions beforehand, especially with the potential xp that will come from DLC, as mentioned above that is partially what am basing Jack's playthrough on, although I might've got the calculations a little off and he'll end up getting to 30 without it.

[Baihu1983]

Quick question. Want to do the insanity and just need to know as far as the achievement goes.



Does everyone have to survive?

Do i need to wake up Grunt and Legion or can i wait till after the main game thus avoiding their loyalty missions?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Quick question. Want to do the insanity and just need to know as far as the achievement goes.



Does everyone have to survive?

Do i need to wake up Grunt and Legion or can i wait till after the main game thus avoiding their loyalty missions?

As far as I am aware the 'Insanity' achievement will pop at the end of the Suicide Mission (I assume during the cut-scene after the final fight with the human reaper). IIRC you don't even need Shepard to live for it to pop and I don't think it relies on you having recruited everyone.

So technically you could go through with no one loyal and still get the achievement. Depending on whether your wanting to kill people off, if your not then I'd suggest birthing Grunt even if you don't do his loyalty mission till post SM (when am assuming your going to lower the difficulty to deal with his and Legion's loyalty missions) as obviously even unloyal he will help bolster your HtL team. If you are planning on killing someone off then then obviously leave him in the tank till post-SM.

[Baihu1983]

Yeah i was planning on doing it on Insanity just to get the last achievement and i want to make it as stress free as possible.[mainly caused by squad mates just running into gunfire....well done Jacob!

[grapex11s]

Thank you for this!

[renegadeinterrupt]

Didn't read through to see if this has been addressed but is there a way to kill Miranda if she is loyal? I couldn't see one but I would like to import a save game where I romanced her then got her killed. Help anyone?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Nope it's not possible. She can't die till the final stage and has to be unloyal to die because if she is loyal she could even survive holding the line on her own and all the 'weaker' HtL people are higher up the kill chain than she is.

Edit: On another note, can someone clarify to me how it is possible to get to Jack on the 'Shield Death' list?

From what I can work out there is no way technically possible to do it as there is 7 people in front of her. So even if you had a minimal squad, there would be 3 of the people higher up the list in the squad, so even if you took 2 of them to fight the occulus 1 of the higher ups will still be there to get shield blasted. Which of course then also means it is impossible to get Samara/Morinth killed in that spot either.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:08 .

[Pacifien]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Edit: On another note, can someone clarify to me how it is possible to get to Jack on the 'Shield Death' list?

Don't recruit Kasumi, Tali, or Thane. Sell Legion to Cerberus. You'll have the minimum 8 to start the mission. Take Garrus and Zaeed to the Oculus fight and now Jack is dead. You bastard.

And then if Jack were to die because you didn't upgrade the armor, if you do all of the above, that means Samara/Morinth dies.

Edit: No wait, there's still Grunt! Huh. Ecael did that list, wonder what she did.

Edit again: I think Ecael simply made a mistake. The original posts don't mention Jack for the shield section at all.

Modifié par Pacifien, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:03 .

[james1976]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Curious, is it guaranteed you loss a squad mate on HtL if the value equates to below 2.0? I am attempting to determine any way to not be required to leave two of Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt behind. And yes, I would prefer recruiting everyone.

Yeah, I'm not real sure on that math stuff.  I know I recruited everyone and they were all loyal to my first character and everyone lived.  I had Tali and Kasumi with me in the final fight.  My second character had all loyal except Jack and Zaeed.  I took Garrus and Tali with me to the final fight and Jack was the only one who died.  Both times all loyalty missions were completed and all ship upgrades done.  But on the second character I sided with Miranda and lost Jack's loyalty.  I wouldn't allow Zaeed to have his revenge so his mission failed.  That second character wasn't full paragon or renegade. 

[Bullets McDeath]

I have a question regarding the "seeker swarm" portion of the Suicide Mission. The guide does not list Miranda's "order" of death if she is in your squad with a non-loyal/non-ideal Biotic holding the bubble, presumably because of the glitch where she survives no matter what. But at the bottom of the list is Morinth... every other place on the list, Samara and Morinth are interchangeable, but for this portion Morinth is at the bottom of the list while Samara is much closer to the top.



Is this accurate? I'm trying to find a way to kill of Morinth during the SM. So far the only way I have found that will work with my squad is by selecting her as the Second Fire-Team Captain.

[Pacifien]

Ecael's Seeker Swarm Test - Morinth is different than Samara. However, if you take Miranda with you during that portion of the test, Morinth will be taken before Miranda, so that gives you two ways to kill her during the mission.

[Bullets McDeath]

!! You just totally solved my problem. Excellent. My thanks.

[hawat333]

A poor soul needs guidance here.

On my latest character I plan to see what I can do with limited resources so I began to kill off people. In ME1 I did kill every single character that can be killed in the game (while pursuing the gentle path in conversations. It's kinda fun, the good-mannered, gentle guy who gets everyone killed).

In ME2 I plan to do the same, but need some help with the execution.



Basic wishes: Do all loyalty missions, all side quests, get all squadmates, no exceptions.

Keep the following characters alive: Jack, Mordin, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob.

Everyone else is expendable.

Tali dies. That I'd like to make sure.

So as for the others, how can I get most of them killed during the Suicide Mission?

At least four or six deaths would be great, more would be even better.





Thanks in advance.

[Pacifien]

Eeeeasy.

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Final Squadmates: Garrus, Jack, Jacob, Miranda, Mordin
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Loyal: Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, Tali, Thane
Nonloyal: Legion, Zaeed

* You must resolve the Jack/Miranda confrontation favorably. If you need help, try this.
* Side with Tali during the Legion/Tali dispute. I say this because, since you're keen on Tali dying particularly, I'm going for her most gruesome death for you.
* Take the paragon path during Zaeed's loyalty mission, but do not persuade Zaeed for his loyalty.

* Obtain the armor upgrade from Jacob.

On Approach
* No shield upgrade --> Kasumi dies
* No weapon upgrade -> Thane dies

Assignments
* Send Tali through the vents, use anyone but Garrus, Jacob, or Miranda as leader -> Tali dies
* Send Zaeed as escort for the Normandy crew -> Zaeed dies
* Take Grunt with anyone but Jack, Garrus, or Legion through the seeker swarms -> Grunt dies
* Use Samara as your second distraction team leader --> Samara dies
* Final Boss + Legion with anyone but Garrus --> Legion dies
* Hold the Line + Garrus and anyone left -> all live
     * For the curious, the HtL score is 4 + 2 + 1 + 1 or 4 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 8 or 9 / 4 >= 2.0

The Rundown
1. Kasumi died by exploding engine core.
2. Thane crushed by falling bulkhead.
3. Tali dies by rocket to the face.
4. Zaeed walks back with the crew, everyone but him makes it back alive.
5. Grunt swept away by Seeker Swarms.
6. Samara dies at the second door.
7. Legion dies by fallen debris.

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Final Squadmates: Garrus, Jack, Jacob, Miranda, Mordin
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Modifié par Pacifien, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:29 .

[hawat333]

Thank you very much, my eternal gratitude will chase you in ME3.