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[Pacifien]

Pacifien wrote...
Starting to notice the order in which the squadmates will give you an update on the defense.
Thane - Jack - Garrus - Legion - Grunt - Jacob -- And that's as far as I got.

I managed one step further.
Thane - Jack - Garrus - Legion - Grunt - Jacob - Samara

[NYG1991]

[quote]Pacifien wrote...

More science. <_<

Starting to notice the order in which the squadmates will give you an update on the defense.
Thane - Jack - Garrus - Legion - Grunt - Jacob -- And that's as far as I got.

yeah, Grunt's sitrep is my favorite. I can't think of a way to get it without people dying . I think they made it that way on purpose though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien wrote...

I think basically he was saying that if there is an order to how things work, it was unintentional. I might still work on it, though. FieryPhoenix, if you'd like to test out Morinth/Thane, Thane/Morinth, that'd be great!

 You got it. I'll try and give it a shot tonight.

[Fiery Phoenix]

UPDATE: Morinth/Thane = Shepard catches Morinth + Morinth catches Shepard.



Funny, my female Shepard romanced Thane here, so you'd expect him to be the one sliding down the platform.



I have yet to try Thane/Morinth,. though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Okay, just tried Thane/Morinth, which results in Shepard catching Thane + Morinth catching Shepard.

I guess Thane simply can't catch you. lol

Also, I'm sorry for the triple post.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 26 juin 2010 - 01:25 .

[Bhatair]

Thane has a perfect memory, up until it's time to remember Shep is behind him.

[Fiery Phoenix]

^ Certainly seems that way. Even though my female Shepard loves him immensely:

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Okay, just tried Thane/Morinth, which results in Shepard catching Thane + Morinth catching Shepard.

I guess Thane simply can't catch you. lol

Also, I'm sorry for the triple post.

Wait, for the Morinth one, was her icon on the right? And with Thane, was his icon on the right?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Okay, just tried Thane/Morinth, which results in Shepard catching Thane + Morinth catching Shepard.

I guess Thane simply can't catch you. lol

Also, I'm sorry for the triple post.

Wait, for the Morinth one, was her icon on the right? And with Thane, was his icon on the right?

Don't remember. I was referring to it as in [the squadmate you choose first/the squadmate you choose second]. Not really sure how the game reads it. I guess the one you choose first goes left?

[Privateerkev]

Ecael wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

The fewer people you have, the less likely it is you'll have people under 2.0 points, which means it's more likely to get higher than a 2.0 average.

The same is true of college courses.

"I have straight Garrus's on my transcript!"

Actually, that doesn't sound right...

And having homosexual Garrus's does?

btw, great guide!

[Dracotamer]

I always do 1-2 loyalty missions before going through the Omega 4 Relay and I have never lost 50% of my crew. Does this only mean non loyalty missions?

[Pacifien]

Dracotamer wrote...
I always do 1-2 loyalty missions before going through the Omega 4 Relay and I have never lost 50% of my crew. Does this only mean non loyalty missions?

Depends on when you're doing the mission. Are you doing 1-2 missions before EDI says the IFF is fully installed and then the crew gets kidnapped? Or are you doing 1-2 missions after the crew has been kidnapped.

[Ecael]

Dracotamer wrote...

I always do 1-2 loyalty missions before going through the Omega 4 Relay and I have never lost 50% of my crew. Does this only mean non loyalty missions?

Hmm... the Mass Effect wiki mentions that Legion's loyalty mission does not count as time because it is not a planet.

If you do 1 - 3 assignments after the Collector's attack, about half of the crew including Kelly and Gabby will die. However, Doctor Chakwas, Ken and some unnamed crewmen will survive. You can still do Legion' Loyalty mission so long as you do not land on any planets or stations (ie... any assignment, The Citadel, Omega, etc.), as the game registers these as time, and the entire crew can still survive.

I've never tried this, actually...

[Darth_Ravor]

WEIRD, i didnt even know it was possible to lose door holders!in my playthrough i messed up and put thane as fire team 2 leader and he died, and every 1 loyal took miranda and jacob to final battle and noone died, (sides my favorite.....damn! i 4got his race name! thats gunna kill me!)

[Darth_Ravor]

oh and mordin was the escort

[Pacifien]

Ecael wrote...

If you do 1 - 3 assignments after the Collector's attack, about half of the crew including Kelly and Gabby will die. However, Doctor Chakwas, Ken and some unnamed crewmen will survive. You can still do Legion' Loyalty mission so long as you do not land on any planets or stations (ie... any assignment, The Citadel, Omega, etc.), as the game registers these as time, and the entire crew can still survive.

I've never tried this, actually...

I know any mission will count, but I'm not sure landing on the Citadel or Omega actually counts, unless you're doing a loyalty mission there. When I was keeping track of when new dialogue pops up for the crew (which happens after missions), my trip to the Citadel (where all I did was meet with Anderson and pick up Kasumi) didn't count as a mission to progress the dialogue further.

I also just wrote down who "half the crew" were that died. Kelly, Gardner, Gabby (Ken seems so lost without her. :/), Rolston (he's the one who talks about his daughter), Hawthorne (crewman speaking in the mess hall who also tried to help Joker), Goldstein (other crewman in mess hall), Hadley (crewman in CIC) and Matthews (other crewman in CIC) all died. Some of the background characters who stand silently in the background also appear to be missing, but I didn't keep track of them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I will say that landing on hub worlds like Illium and Omega isn't registered as time in the game, unless you do missions on them. But then again, I'm half-speculating here. Also, Legion's loyalty mission won't affect the crew if it's done before the installation of the IFF, but any mission you do after the installation will count.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 27 juin 2010 - 06:30 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Collector Homeworld, Hold the Line!

This is the most complicated part of the mission, as whether or not someone will die depends on two factors:

• The alive/dead status of the escort and final boss squadmates
  
• The Hold the Line score, calculated by averaging the point value of each squadmate

The first one (alive/dead status) kicks in to prevent Shepard from ending up with 1 squadmate alive.

1. Alive/Dead Status - Escort and Final Boss Squadmates
2 or 3 alive = Go to [Hold the Line] score
1 alive = At least 1 from [Hold the Line] will survive, then go to Line score
0 alive, 2 or more holding the line = Go to [Hold the Line] score
0 alive, 1 still holding the line = [Death]


2. [Hold the Line] Point Values

A Tier (4 points each)




B Tier (3 points each):




C Tier (2 points each):







D Tier (1 points each):










F Tier (No points):






Get the average point value by adding up the points of each squadmate and then dividing by the number of squadmates.

Point Value Ratings:
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
Less than 2.0 = [Death] 1 squadmate
Less than 1.5 = [Death] 2 squadmates
Less than 0.5 = [Death] 3 squadmates
Exactly 0.0 = [Death] 4 squadmates


3. [Hold the Line] Priority Death List
Deaths start from the non-loyals, weakest to strongest, THEN loyals, weakest to strongest. That means with the same hold the line score, non-loyal Grunt is as capable of dying in a team as loyal Mordin, despite the fact that non-loyal Grunt can hold the line by himself (as his solo point average would be 3)

Hold the Line Death List (Non-loyal Weakest, then Non-loyal Strongest, etc.):

So it's that simple, isn't it?

(Don't flay me alive with you mind, Ecael! I wonder, how many ME2 runs and hours it to you to make this post, but I'm not sure if I really want to know this...)

Now I'm interested, if there is a way to cheat the system to reduce the "average point value" by a mere 0.17 points...

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
So it's that simple, isn't it?

Heh. Honestly, I had no problem getting through the suicide mission with everyone alive on my first try. Still, lots of people want to kill specific people on their runs. Good to know the method to the madness. Figuring out the Hold the Line sequence I think is Ecael's greatest achievement.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Now I'm interested, if there is a way to cheat the system to reduce the "average point value" by a mere 0.17 points...

Why by such a specific amount?

[Bhatair]

Pacifien wrote...

Still, lots of people want to kill specific people on their runs. Good to know the method to the madness. Figuring out the Hold the Line sequence I think is Ecael's greatest achievement.

Yeh, thanks to this guide I've got a run planned in the future where only Garrus, Jack and Legion will survive.
yay for poor leadership!

[Homebound]

how many missions can you do before the IFF becomes active?

[Pacifien]

Just_mike wrote...
how many missions can you do before the IFF becomes active?

This will depend on when you get the IFF. Almost all my playthroughs have me doing the IFF mission last, in which case I have time to do Legion's loyalty mission and nothing else. On one of my latest playthroughs, I got the IFF as soon as it became available and was able to do quite a few missions before the crew was grabbed, but I didn't keep count. Also, the amount of missions I was able to do was nowhere near enough to get all recruitments and loyalty missions done before the crew was grabbed.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
So it's that simple, isn't it?

Heh. Honestly, I had no problem getting through the suicide mission with everyone alive on my first try.

Kudos to you, I got Mordin killed in the pipes. That's how I failed to get the "noone left behind" medal. And I still don't have it. Because I don't want to.

Pacifien wrote...
Still, lots of people want to kill specific people on their runs. Good to know the method to the madness. Figuring out the Hold the Line sequence I think is Ecael's greatest achievement.

No it's not. Switching off the IFF trigger is. Though if you relate the greatness to the amount of labor necessary to achive it, then you're right.

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Now I'm interested, if there is a way to cheat the system to reduce the "average point value" by a mere 0.17 points...

Why by such a specific amount?

I guess the method of cheating it, if there by chance is one, will be able to process any score, but 0.17 is all I need.

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I guess the method of cheating it, if there by chance is one, will be able to process any score, but 0.17 is all I need.

You could post what you're trying to achieve in this thread and I'm sure there's a way to do it.

[Turran]

3 Full play-throughs, and not once being able to keep everyone alive. I am keeping to the guide, but the fight between Jack and Miranda always catches me out and leads to a death. Thanks for the tips!