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[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I guess the method of cheating it, if there by chance is one, will be able to process any score, but 0.17 is all I need.

You could post what you're trying to achieve in this thread and I'm sure there's a way to do it.

No. There is no more shuffling squadmates. What I am trying to achieve is not only the final survivors, but that everyone who dies does it properly. For example, Jack is to die by the swarms, and Mordin has to say his vale-diction "I held the line". So I have this trio at the "Hold the line": Garrus, Miranda and Samara. So far only Miranda dies. I thought that should the "score" be lower, it'd be Samara next in the death order, but here Ecael claims that it's Garrus... And since I wanted ideally that it were only Samara to survive the "Hold the line", this new incoming data puts me again on the fence about Garrus.

[Pacifien]

So no switching squadmates from the final battle with those holding the line?

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

So no switching squadmates from the final battle with those holding the line?

No, and they wouldn't do any good anyway, since they are quite tough: Zaeed and Legion.

EDIT: my mistake, Legions doesn't count as tough, and swaping him with Garrus will result his death too, which I do not want.

Looks like sending Garrus to die for the crew instead of Jacob can help. But it just doesn't feel right to send anyone with the Ceberus crew but the Cerberus operative Jacob... And EDI says: "Mr. Taylor", but not "Mr. Vakarian" (Why, BioWare, why?).

Might metagame though, that all this silly crew abduction part is a delusion from Shepard's post mortem cognition disorder... But is it worth just to kill Garrus? Who is innocent of the gravest sin of ME2 squadmates - improper space attire.

EDIT: why not swap Legion with Garrus, though? Aaaa! I'm rapidly closing to Ecael's worst playthrough! Only Morinth, Kasumi and Zaeed (and Grunt in the tank) will survive... Still, I think I am not ready to kill off Legion and Garrus, they both have decent space armor.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 juin 2010 - 02:14 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

I always do 1-2 loyalty missions before going through the Omega 4 Relay and I have never lost 50% of my crew. Does this only mean non loyalty missions?

Hmm... the Mass Effect wiki mentions that Legion's loyalty mission does not count as time because it is not a planet.

If you do 1 - 3 assignments after the Collector's attack, about half of the crew including Kelly and Gabby will die. However, Doctor Chakwas, Ken and some unnamed crewmen will survive. You can still do Legion' Loyalty mission so long as you do not land on any planets or stations (ie... any assignment, The Citadel, Omega, etc.), as the game registers these as time, and the entire crew can still survive.

I've never tried this, actually...

I have had that mission trigger when I tried to do Legion's loyalty mission so it does count with the others.

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

I always do 1-2 loyalty missions before going through the Omega 4 Relay and I have never lost 50% of my crew. Does this only mean non loyalty missions?

Hmm... the Mass Effect wiki mentions that Legion's loyalty mission does not count as time because it is not a planet.

If you do 1 - 3 assignments after the Collector's attack, about half of the crew including Kelly and Gabby will die. However, Doctor Chakwas, Ken and some unnamed crewmen will survive. You can still do Legion' Loyalty mission so long as you do not land on any planets or stations (ie... any assignment, The Citadel, Omega, etc.), as the game registers these as time, and the entire crew can still survive.

I've never tried this, actually...

I have had that mission trigger when I tried to do Legion's loyalty mission so it does count with the others.

It's referring to doing Legion's loyalty mission after the invasion was already triggered and completed. According to that, you can still do Legion's loyalty mission after the invasion and save everyone.

I've never tried it, though.

Modifié par Ecael, 28 juin 2010 - 12:17 .

[NICKjnp]

After the Reaper IFF go to Legion and activate him. Do NOT talk to anyone else before activation Legion or go to the Galaxy Map. Head from the communication room to the elevator down to Legion. Activate Legion and do the first conversation. When the conversation ends then immediately talk to Legion again. He will give you the mission. Then head up to the CIC/Galaxy Map and go do Legions mission. Once you get Legion's mission the game will let you do it before the abduction occurs (don't go anywhere else). After his mission then the abduction will take place.

[Pacifien]

I should try doing his mission after the abduction and sees what happens.

[Val Seleznyov]

I played though this on insanity last night, and found that using the flamethrower heavy weapon during the biotic barrier part worked really well.

[TK Dude]

I finished my imported Femshep playthrough in ME2 on Insanity a month ago, I lost my loyalty to Jack and I had Thane and Legion on my final squad in the suicide mission

However, I didn't pick Jack for my squad in side quests or other missions and she made it out alive in the finale with the rest of the team.

Is it because she wasn't with my squad in most of the missions I played or is it because I had Thane on my finale squad?

[Pacifien]

TK Dude wrote...
Is it because she wasn't with my squad in most of the missions I played or is it because I had Thane on my finale squad?

It's because you didn't use her for any specialist position and didn't take her with you to the final battle. You don't actually need everyone to be loyal to make sure everyone lives. With 12 squadmates, the minimum is 7 loyal, but you do have to be somewhat picky on who those 7 are if I remember correctly.

[Ecael]

Pacifien wrote...

TK Dude wrote...
Is it because she wasn't with my squad in most of the missions I played or is it because I had Thane on my finale squad?

It's because you didn't use her for any specialist position and didn't take her with you to the final battle. You don't actually need everyone to be loyal to make sure everyone lives. With 12 squadmates, the minimum is 7 loyal, but you do have to be somewhat picky on who those 7 are if I remember correctly.

What Pacifien said.

The hold the line score required for anyone to start dying, regardless of whether they're loyal or not, is 2.0.

Non-loyal only means that the person will contribute 1 point less when calculating the score, and that they'll be one of the first ones to die.

[Pacifien]

I'll let Ecael correct me, but here we go...

Tier 1: Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed
Tier 2: Jacob, Legion, Miranda, Samara/Morinth, Thane
Tier 3: Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, Tali

7 Loyal/12 Survivors (maximum squad possible)
- Tier 1: 1 Loyal / Tier 2: 3 Loyal / Tier 3: 3 Loyal
- Tier 1: 1 Loyal / Tier 2: 2 Loyal / Tier 3: 4 Loyal
- Tier 1: 2 Loyal / Tier 2: 1 Loyal / Tier 3: 4 Loyal
- Tier 1: 3 Loyal / Tier 2: 0 Loyal / Tier 3: 4 Loyal

For each combination, the loyal squadmates you will need are:
- 1 person to be the fire team leader
- 1 person who can hold the biotic shield
- 1 person from Tier 3 to escort the crew
- 2 people from Tier 3 to go to the final battle

3 Loyal/8 Squadmates (minimum squad possible)
- Tier 1: 0 Loyal / Tier 2: 1 Loyal / Tier 3: 2 Loyal

In this scenario, you must have:
- Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed
- Either Jacob or Miranda loyal to be your fireteam leader
- Loyal Jack as your biotic specialist
- Loyal Tali as your tech specialist
- 1 loyal person to be your escort
- 2 loyal people to go to the final battle

Modifié par Pacifien, 11 août 2010 - 02:05 .

[Pacifien]

New data available.

1) Doing Legion's loyalty mission will count toward the mission count after the crew abductions. Just did a run where Heretic Station was the only stop after the crew was abducted and going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay, and half the crew died.

2) There's an order to who will give you a status update for those holding the line. The only three I cannot test are where Morinth falls into the list and whether Zaeed or Miranda will call in a report first.
     Thane - Jack - Garrus - Legion - Grunt - Jacob - Samara - Mordin - Tali - Kasumi - ? - ?

Other stuff being tested still. *Click Here*

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 juin 2010 - 06:03 .

[Sursion]

I just got a hold the line score of 0.6 and lost 3 squad members. But according to your data, you need lower then 0.5 for 3 to die. What went wrong?



Holding the line:

Loyal Tali

Loyal Mordin

Jack

Kasumi

Thane

Miranda



Miranda, Kasumi, and Jack died.

[Pacifien]

Sursion wrote...
I just got a hold the line score of 0.6 and lost 3 squad members. But according to your data, you need lower then 0.5 for 3 to die. What went wrong?

Ecael's data is wrong and needs more testing so it can be adjusted. I'm guessing.

[Zulu_DFA]

Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).



It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

Ecael's data is wrong and needs more testing so it can be adjusted. I'm guessing.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

Ecael's data is wrong and needs more testing so it can be adjusted. I'm guessing.

Looks like it. I guess everyone with the Assault Rifle contributes more points than anyone without.
So Legion and Samara are tougher than Miranda, Jacob and Thane.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 juin 2010 - 06:02 .

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

Ecael's data is wrong and needs more testing so it can be adjusted. I'm guessing.

Looks like it. I guess everyone with the Assault Rifle contributes more points than anyone without.
So Legion and Samara are tougher than Miranda, Jacob and Thane.

No, the tier scores are definitely right. Jacob, Legion, Miranda, Samara, and Thane are all the same strength. What might be wrong is the average score and how that affects how many squadmates die.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

Ecael's data is wrong and needs more testing so it can be adjusted. I'm guessing.

Looks like it. I guess everyone with the Assault Rifle contributes more points than anyone without.
So Legion and Samara are tougher than Miranda, Jacob and Thane.

No, the tier scores are definitely right. Jacob, Legion, Miranda, Samara, and Thane are all the same strength. What might be wrong is the average score and how that affects how many squadmates die.

(L)Zaeed+Mirnada+Samara = 2.0 = all live.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 juin 2010 - 07:17 .

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

1 alive = At least 1 from [Hold the Line] will survive, then go to Line score

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
No, the tier scores are definitely right. Jacob, Legion, Miranda, Samara, and Thane are all the same strength. What might be wrong is the average score and how that affects how many squadmates die.

(L)Zaeed+Mirnada+Samara = 2.0 = all live.

Yeah, that's supposed to happen.

[Pacifien]

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

1 alive = At least 1 from [Hold the Line] will survive, then go to Line score

Okay, so I'm assuming then this is how it works:
     Legion + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal) = 3/3 = 1.0 and 2 should die
But if only 1 squadmate survives the final boss, then 1 squadmate needs to survive Holding the Line. So then the math changes to:
     Legion + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal) = 3/2 (because 1 must survive) = 1.5 and 1 (Miranda) should die
So then, if this is the case, if only 1 squadmate survives the final boss, a situation like this could arise:
     Zaeed + Legion + Samara (all unloyal) = 5/2 = 2.5 and all will live

Does that work?

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Legion+Samara+Miranda (all unloyal) = 1.0 holding the line, and only Miranda died (1 SM survived the final boss).

It's cool, in my case, but WTF?

1 alive = At least 1 from [Hold the Line] will survive, then go to Line score

Okay, so I'm assuming then this is how it works:
     Legion + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal) = 3/3 = 1.0 and 2 should die
But if only 1 squadmate survives the final boss, then 1 squadmate needs to survive Holding the Line. So then the math changes to:
     Legion + Samara + Miranda (all unloyal) = 3/2 (because 1 must survive) = 1.5 and 1 (Miranda) should die
So then, if this is the case, if only 1 squadmate survives the final boss, a situation like this could arise:
     Zaeed + Legion + Samara (all unloyal) = 5/2 = 2.5 and all will live

Does that work?

No.

With both Final Boss SMs surviving all unloyal Legion+Samara+Miranda holding the Line still gets only Miranda killed.

[C9316]

Why are there so many of these suicide mission guides? I mean keeping yourself and your teammates alive during the suicide mission is relatively easy, common sense really. You wouldn't send Grunt into the vent right? Does he seem like a tech expert? Then there's also the loyalty missions which in my opinion gives me experience and ensures a squadmate's loyalty so its a win-win situation and time well spent.