Xandurpein wrote... Incidently, the fact that Loghain and Howe (and the PC) are in armor in all the cut scenes or at the Landsmeet seems rather weird to me. I can't imagine a king, or anyone else, appearing in armor in parlament or something similar in real life. It's about as reasonable as having the president appear in congress wearing a helemet and a flak vest.
Would make for some very interesting government debates if they were more like the DAO Landsmeet. I would imagine many more would actually watch their congressman/minister/delegate in such cases
As in the landsmeet...it can turn into a bloodbath. When arl of red cliffe is in the landsmeet he is in armor while in his estate he is in regular clothes. I do not understand why msot of the other nobles were not in armor.*maybe they do not know how to fight*
I think most of them were there under the assumption that the Landsmeet was a way to settle scores by voting and maybe an occassional honorable duel.
It would actually be quite cool if the game had that depth. E.g. if you showed up at the landsmeet wearing full plate, then people would be wary of your intentions and maybe even call in the guards to disarm you.
I have a question Xandur for one of the romance mods. Would a knight get married in full armour? My view is they would not, it is simply too unpractical. I have only been able to find a few anachronistic victorian paintings portraying this, I think it's fantasy, but what is your considered opinion?
Not that I'm a historian myself - but I would think that showing up to a feast or a wedding in armor would be not only impractical but impolite, paranoid, or even belligerent, like wearing a Kevlar vest to a dinner party. Medieval depictions of feasting and celebrations, like the one Xandurpein posted, usually show the participants wearing clothing not armor.
I've seen ceremonial suits of armor in museums (mostly, I think, from around the late Middle Ages and Renaissance), but it seems reasonable to assume that these would have been worn on parade or for other military occasions.
Good points from both.
That doesn't stop fantasy, though, do either of you recall the lovemaking in armour scene from Excalibur, between Urther Pendragon and Morgaine, I think? It is totally LOL (am I showing my age here? Probably).
LOL. Guilty. I saw it when it was first shown in the theaters and laughed at it too. It was Uther and Ygraine though. Poor woman...
You too, huh? Once scene, never forgotten... Ygraine was played by Heln Mirren?
LOL. Guilty. I saw it when it was first shown in the theaters and laughed at it too. It was Uther and Ygraine though. Poor woman...
You too, huh? Once scene, never forgotten... Ygraine was played by Heln Mirren?
Indeed! What has one been seen, cannot be unseen. Helen Mirren played Morgaine, Katerine Boorman played Igrayne (Igrayine was mother to Morgaine and Arthur), so thankfully Helen Mirren didn't have to suffer the discomofort of being ravished by a dude in plate. imdb is your friend. www.imdb.com/title/tt0082348/
LOL. Guilty. I saw it when it was first shown in the theaters and laughed at it too. It was Uther and Ygraine though. Poor woman...
You too, huh? Once scene, never forgotten... Ygraine was played by Heln Mirren?
Indeed! What has one been seen, cannot be unseen. Helen Mirren played Morgaine, Katerine Boorman played Igrayne (Igrayine was mother to Morgaine and Arthur), so thankfully Helen Mirren didn't have to suffer the discomofort of being ravished by a dude in plate. imdb is your friend. www.imdb.com/title/tt0082348/
And there's me thinking you were doing this off by heart... LOL:wizard:
LOL. Guilty. I saw it when it was first shown in the theaters and laughed at it too. It was Uther and Ygraine though. Poor woman...
You too, huh? Once scene, never forgotten... Ygraine was played by Heln Mirren?
Indeed! What has one been seen, cannot be unseen. Helen Mirren played Morgaine, Katerine Boorman played Igrayne (Igrayine was mother to Morgaine and Arthur), so thankfully Helen Mirren didn't have to suffer the discomofort of being ravished by a dude in plate. imdb is your friend. www.imdb.com/title/tt0082348/
And there's me thinking you were doing this off by heart... LOL:wizard:
I had to use imdb when you started mentioning actors, but the rest I knew by heart. Everyone knows Ygraine is Arthur's mom and Morgaine is his half-sister, right? And there is no way the Ygraine I remember with that long straight hair and skimpy dress could have been Helen Mirren.
It can probably be explained in Dragon Age that the armor they have there is far lighter then the one people had available to them in the Middle Ages, it is said after all that Red Steel is lighter then Steel and Silverlite even more so.
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There is a great documentary titled "Reclaiming the Blade" about Western Martial Arts, including swords and how they were actually used in combat. In that documentary, one of the experts states that the fight scene in Rob Roy was an excellent example of how two handed swords were actually wielded during a duel. He also stated that the use of shield as weapon as portrayed in Troy was pretty accurate as well. The whole movie was pretty interesting.
It can probably be explained in Dragon Age that the armor they have there is far lighter then the one people had available to them in the Middle Ages, it is said after all that Red Steel is lighter then Steel and Silverlite even more so.
It's not really about the weight. There is a lot of misconceptions about the weight of medieval armor. Up until the rennaicance, when they tried to make armor that could stop musket balls, ordinary plate armour didn't weigh more than 30-35 kg, and with good weight distribution it wasn't heavy at all. I've seen a guy do a hand spring in full plate armour.
Even if it weigh less, it would still be much more rigid and uncomfortable than clothes. It would also be pointless really. There was plenty of rich fabrics to make clothes that signalled wealth and prestige better than armor, and would be far more comfortable too. You weren't even allowed to go armed to the teeth everywhere either, even back in the middle ages.
It would also probably seem very impolite and a little wacky too. Imagine someone sitting at the office in flak vest and helmet, just in case. Would you consider him careful or a nut? Things weren't that different back then.
Carmen_Willow wrote... There is a great documentary titled "Reclaiming the Blade" about Western Martial Arts, including swords and how they were actually used in combat. In that documentary, one of the experts states that the fight scene in Rob Roy was an excellent example of how two handed swords were actually wielded during a duel. He also stated that the use of shield as weapon as portrayed in Troy was pretty accurate as well. The whole movie was pretty interesting.
This one? I had to see the scene you were talking about.
I commend the OP for this thread. This kind of information makes for better fiction. The more you know about the subject, the more details you can provide the better your fiction will be. Points if it's a more realistic portrayal for although realism isn't always the best approach (or a necessary one in fiction), it does tend to lend the work a certain gravitas. Also it's fun to look something up an author wrote and find that indeed that is how it was done/what it was like, etc.
Which is why I'd like to point out that the kind of mock combat done in the SCA (for the most part) is really not historically accurate. I say for the most part because some SCA people actually do study historical European martial arts on the side, though it's not what the SCA usually does.
For example, although we have a great amount of information (mostly in the form of Fechbuchs or martial arts treatises from medieval and renaissance masters of martial arts) on dagger, spear, (specially) longsword - which is a two-handed sword, a single handed sword was usually called an arming sword or simply a sword, pole-arms, sword and buckler - which was held with the hand and not strapped to the arm as usually portrayed in video games, and unarmed combat, we have almost no historical texts on the use of the typical "heater" shield you see used in Dragon Age, in most SCA combat and in the early medieval period (these types of shields fell out of popular use by the late medieval period thanks to the availability and lower prices of higher quality armors). What little has been recontructed is mostly based on tiny mentions of it's use, and modern theories based on the use of larger shields seen in some judicial duels during the middle ages, as well as some small mentions in later renaissance manuscripts.
Some youtube examples of modern reconstruciton groups that work directly with uncovered treatises from the medieval and renaissance period to follow, but overall if you're really interested I'd check out ARMA (the association for renaissance martial arts) as a starting point. But keep in mind that there are many other groups just as dedicated from all over the world.
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