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[Lord Gremlin]

Lintanis wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Just so you know: PS3 firmware 3.40 broke Dragon Age again. It causes game freezes just like 3.30 before 1.02 patch.

The game doesnt like updates does it 

More likely, this game uses something that's not supposed to be used at all by Sony.

[BrunoB1971]

a release day has not been set yet, by logic that would mean that they are still doing some work. I would say that another few major bugs are gonna pop up this week. Also i am pretty sure they are gonna miss the "imaginary" deadline of the patch for the new dlc that is coming out that has been set by fans including me.

They could delay the dlc if they wanted to or just release as planned...either way they know that a majority of people will buy it anyways so the release date for the patch then become irrelevant. Unless there is some major upgrade to the game in the dlc then there is no need for the patch just yet because the base game and expansion are still broken.

Its like the marketing and sales people over at BIO want to make cash no matter and over rules any other decision from other departments ( patching ) of BIOware which is strange...anyways it is their show now...

Modifié par BrunoB1971, 29 juin 2010 - 12:29 .

[Woffen5]

Well I for one will not buy the dlc until the patch is out and I regret buying awakening before 1.04.. didnt really know about the bugginess of the 1.03 patch..

[Woffen5]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Lintanis wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Just so you know: PS3 firmware 3.40 broke Dragon Age again. It causes game freezes just like 3.30 before 1.02 patch.

The game doesnt like updates does it 

More likely, this game uses something that's not supposed to be used at all by Sony.

More likely sony does whatever they want and dont care if it breaks stuff..

[Lord Gremlin]

Woffen5 wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Lintanis wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Just so you know: PS3 firmware 3.40 broke Dragon Age again. It causes game freezes just like 3.30 before 1.02 patch.

The game doesnt like updates does it 

More likely, this game uses something that's not supposed to be used at all by Sony.

More likely sony does whatever they want and dont care if it breaks stuff..

Actually, 2 last phrases are the same fact told from 2 perspectives.

[WonderGamer]

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

Let's hope that Dragon Age 2 will not require 20 patches to be playable and months to create them.

If BW doesn't fix the fix the major bugs in this game, more & more people are going to give up on the series (or even worse, boycott BW altogether).  If this happens, I doubt DA2 will even see the store shelves. 

[MaxQuartiroli]

WonderGamer wrote...

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

Let's hope that Dragon Age 2 will not require 20 patches to be playable and months to create them.

If BW doesn't fix the fix the major bugs in this game, more & more people are going to give up on the series (or even worse, boycott BW altogether).  If this happens, I doubt DA2 will even see the store shelves. 

Considering the low number of RPG released every year, and the extremely low number of good ones, I don't believe too many people would give up DA2, whatever they will do.

[Zy-El]

WonderGamer wrote...

PanosSmirnakos wrote...
Let's hope that Dragon Age 2 will not require 20 patches to be playable and months to create them.

If BW doesn't fix the fix the major bugs in this game, more & more people are going to give up on the series (or even worse, boycott BW altogether).  If this happens, I doubt DA2 will even see the store shelves. 

I seriously doubt that.  Despite all the nay-sayers on these forums, the game (including Awakening) works for the majority of players out there.  I said it "works"; I didn't say it was perfect but it is very functional and enjoyable for most players.

The MAJORITY of players can play this game and enjoy it.  How do I know that?  Sales figures don't lie.  If it were the other way around and most people could not enjoy this game, do you honestly think it would have made a profit or become #1 game of the year?  And if it was not profitable, why would Bioware continue to make DLC?  They know full well that players who don't have DA working, will not buy any DLC.  They've already taken this into consideration.  Therefore, DLC are profitable and therefore, DA is profitable.  Ergo, Dragon Age works for the majority of players.

So, you boycotting DA products has already been factored in.  You are non-sequitor as far as their marketing is concerned.

[Abriael_CG]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

At this point, talking about hoe bad BIO has handled the situation is not gonna bring anything new to the table. Pretty much everyone complained at least one about how long it has taken them todo this patch, i am pretty sure they are aware of it.
Asking for an ETA will again get you nowhere, if your fingers are twitching for action you can play mass effect 2 in the meantime. It is gonna be done when it is gonna be done and the the 10000 th time, i'd rather them take the time to get the job done right this time than doing a poor job and rush the patch out just to shut up a bunch of people just to have to repatch all over again because it was not polished enough again...
do you seriously want a rushed out patch and have to wait another 3 months after that or maybe wait a month and have a good patch that resolve most of the issues once and for all...think about that.

Honestly I feel that Bioware's position is impossible to defend at the moment. And I'm surprised that some people still fly in the face of any concept of professionalism and customer satisfaction by defending their shameless behavioir.

No. I don't want a rushed patch. They had PLENTY time for it not to be rushed. Plenty and then some.
What I'd want? 
I'd want Bioware to pull out a lil bit of professionalism from the shelf where it's been hidden years ago, and stop putting most of their resources in trying to nickel and dime us instead of actually solving the problems in a product released in disastrous conditions, that many people still can't play decently several months after it's release.

Play mass Effect 2? I already finished it twice since when Awakenings was released, and finished plenty other games. The fact that I have other games doesn't mean that i should give a developer that sold me an inherently flawed product more leeway than justified. And they already had a shameful amount of time to correct their errors. Time that quite obviously they aren't using as well as professionalism would dictate.

Again, if they didn't use so many resources for DLCs (some absolutely silly, like the darkspawn one, a real waste of development resources), the patch would be out already. There's simply no excuse.

For goodness' sake, even a minuscle developer like TaleWorlds (that has less than twenty employees) does a better and faster job of patching their games...

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 29 juin 2010 - 04:27 .

[BudaKhan]

Abriael_CG wrote...
Honestly I feel that Bioware's position is impossible to defend at the moment. And I'm surprised that some people still fly in the face of any concept of professionalism and customer satisfaction by defending their shameless behavioir.

The timeless complaint. I want what I want yesterday. Dress it up all you want, when you boil it down that's what you get. Bioware's obviously wasted enough of your time already. Don't waste more time snivelling here.
 
I get the need to vent, but trust me, you're wasting your time. Might as well just write it to a text document on your desktop so you don't make yourself look foolish publicly.

[Abriael_CG]

BudaKhan wrote...

The timeless complaint. I want what I want yesterday. Dress it up all you want, when you boil it down that's what you get. Bioware's obviously wasted enough of your time already. Don't waste more time snivelling here.
 
I get the need to vent, but trust me, you're wasting your time. Might as well just write it to a text document on your desktop so you don't make yourself look foolish publicly.

I'd say that the only ones that look foolish publicly, at the moment, are the rabid fanboys that continue to defend bioware a l'outrance, despite their unprofessional behavioir.

Unfortunately for them, and their rose tinted glasses, though, people feeling that the service they paid for isn't in any way acceptable have the full right to publicly voice this sentment.
Luckily for reason, not everyone of the many that are dissatisfied just abandoned the game and the forums (while the traffic went down radically, guess why?) leaving the fanboys alone to pat each other's shoulders.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 29 juin 2010 - 04:50 .

[EricaCousland]

Stupid thing to ask, but could someone confirm for me that when the patch is available it will automatically update when I start up Dragon Age whilst connected to Xbox Live?



I would also like to say that I am relieved that the issues are being attended to though I really think that more time should have been taken before releasing the game and DLCs... This happens with lots of games from a range of developers though; not pointing fingers. Just wish that the trend would change though I don't know anything about the industry.

[Abriael_CG]

EricaCousland wrote...

Stupid thing to ask, but could someone confirm for me that when the patch is available it will automatically update when I start up Dragon Age whilst connected to Xbox Live?

It will, yes.

I would also like to say that I am relieved that the issues are being attended to though I really think that more time should have been taken before releasing the game and DLCs... This happens with lots of games from a range of developers though; not pointing fingers. Just wish that the trend would change though I don't know anything about the industry.

While less extreme cases happen more often than professionalism would dictate, I don't remember many cases in which it happened *this* shamelessly, with a much needed patch taking this much time to be released and in the meanwhile multiple payware DLCs being released/announced.
While there might be a few other cases this extreme, they're still quite rare.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 29 juin 2010 - 04:58 .

[EricaCousland]

Thanks for the response.



Also, I guess I'm not over how bugged up to **** Oblivion from Bethesda is so perhaps I'm seeing the situation worse than it is.

[Frogman1975]

I'm not defending the release of buggy content. But it's been pretty well established in many other forum posts on this topic that the team working on DLC is in no way related to, or technically capable of working on, patches. Two different teams with different educations, professional backgrounds, and experience.



I don't necessarily want the guy I just watched at the poetry slam to come to my house and work on my network issues. I mean, he could be qualified to piddle around in there and mess with my computer. But that isn't his technical background or something he works on every day, and he could screw it up.



The folks working with the (already existing) tool kits to make DLC are a group of writers and artists. Not coders. I totally understand the frustration (I had to stop my first run through of Awakening and I'm currently waiting for the patch to finish it), but ****ing at the apple orchard for bringing in their harvest when you are still waiting for orange juice from the next farm over isn't really productive and it confuses other folks who might not recognize the differences between apples and oranges.

[Zy-El]

Apples and oranges, Frogman, I love it!!

Yeah, so, we should stop all fruit shipments until we get our orange juice! WAAHHHH!!

Paraphrasing the "whiners" here.

[Abriael_CG]

Frogman1975 wrote...

I'm not defending the release of buggy content. But it's been pretty well established in many other forum posts on this topic that the team working on DLC is in no way related to, or technically capable of working on, patches. Two different teams with different educations, professional backgrounds, and experience.

This is quite an oversimplification of the issue. While it's partly true (very partly), it's also true that professional game development isn't made of airtight compartments like some would like to believe. There are quite a lot of tasks that are very compatible and quite a lot of individuals that can be redirected to similar tasks in different teams.

Unless you're a writer or an artist (and writers and artists aren't for sure the only professionals involved in the creation of a fully working DLC, especially one that changes the mechanics of the game and introduces new ones like the silly Darkspawn DLC), if you're qualified to do only ONE thing, you won't go very far in professional game development. Flexibility is one of the most sought-upon qualifications in this industry.

Saying that Bioware couldn't redirect most of their development resources to working on the patch (if they didn't want to just generate more revenue) is, I'm afraid, a quite blind oversimplification. Just to make an easy example, all the new DLC we have to pay for need to be tested before being released, and testers are the most needed individuals to the (obviously overly small) team that's working on patching the game.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 29 juin 2010 - 05:19 .

[BrunoB1971]

Zy-El wrote...

WonderGamer wrote...

PanosSmirnakos wrote...
Let's hope that Dragon Age 2 will not require 20 patches to be playable and months to create them.

If BW doesn't fix the fix the major bugs in this game, more & more people are going to give up on the series (or even worse, boycott BW altogether).  If this happens, I doubt DA2 will even see the store shelves. 

I seriously doubt that.  Despite all the nay-sayers on these forums, the game (including Awakening) works for the majority of players out there.  I said it "works"; I didn't say it was perfect but it is very functional and enjoyable for most players.

The MAJORITY of players can play this game and enjoy it.  How do I know that?  Sales figures don't lie.  If it were the other way around and most people could not enjoy this game, do you honestly think it would have made a profit or become #1 game of the year?  And if it was not profitable, why would Bioware continue to make DLC?  They know full well that players who don't have DA working, will not buy any DLC.  They've already taken this into consideration.  Therefore, DLC are profitable and therefore, DA is profitable.  Ergo, Dragon Age works for the majority of players.

So, you boycotting DA products has already been factored in.  You are non-sequitor as far as their marketing is concerned.

Wrong assumptions:

A lot of people DO NOT take the time to come here and complain, a lot of people dont want to be bothered with the process of coming here and complain or are just too plain lazy to do it and have moved on to other games.

Thus you will not be able to tell exactly how many people are able to play the game properly. Just because someone does not say anything means that the game is fine and the same thing goes for snob people who whine at the restaurant when their fork is not at the proper place on the table or complain about anything and everything. And ther are some peole who see ghosts everywhere and tend to overreact, I am sure that if everyone who bought a copy would actually come and chime in in this forum, it would be a "lot" busier than this.


Another aspect of the game selling a good bunch of copies is that EA has a lot of money to keep Dragon age in your face, trust me on this. ( dlc's are just one example) so no matter what even if it is broken people might and will buy it because they want to try it and if it does not work they will just shelve it.

The game here is to sell the base game ( origins)  that is what EA is after..if the can entice you enough to buy the game because you heard about a DLC months later then they have won. It is business and it keeps going round and round...they know that if you buy origins you are likely to buy the rest of the mods too.


so there you have it, the people who do no talk about anything and the people who talk about everything. It is up to Bioware to judge  who is right and who is wrong and slash in the middle and what is truth and rumours and myths about their game.

So far having been here almost form the start, most of what people have said is getting fixed right now...so that many people can't be wrong...and like an iceberg, the fans here are only the tip of the fanbase who bought the game. so no sales alone will not tell you that the game works fine or not.

nuff said

Modifié par BrunoB1971, 29 juin 2010 - 05:37 .

[WonderGamer]

Just recently has there been any attempt in making a patch to fix the bugs in 1.03.  As you can see from this thread (which was started about 4 month ago), there have been plenty of people that have been complaining about it & a number of them already said they would no longer support nor buy from BioWare anymore.  While I can't say that I'm excluded from the list of people that have been complaining about it, I can say that I haven't reached the point that I'm going to boycott BW over it.  Yes I'm disappointed with the way things have been handled, but there's at least some hope now that work on a patch has started. 

[BrunoB1971]

Bioware will need to absolutely raise their level of commitment towards their game especially with the Star Wars MMO. If they offer the same deal of customer service with the MMO has they are doing with this game, it will sink faster than you can say "flash"!

[Zy-El]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
The MAJORITY of players can play this game and enjoy it.  How do I know that?  Sales figures don't lie.  If it were the other way around and most people could not enjoy this game, do you honestly think it would have made a profit or become #1 game of the year?  And if it was not profitable, why would Bioware continue to make DLC?  They know full well that players who don't have DA working, will not buy any DLC.  They've already taken this into consideration.  Therefore, DLC are profitable and therefore, DA is profitable.  Ergo, Dragon Age works for the majority of players.

So, you boycotting DA products has already been factored in.  You are non-sequitor as far as their marketing is concerned.

Wrong assumptions:

A lot of people DO NOT take the time to come here and complain, a lot of people dont want to be bothered with the process of coming here and complain or are just too plain lazy to do it and have moved on to other games.

Thus you will not be able to tell exactly how many people are able to play the game properly. Just because someone does not say anything means that the game is fine and the same thing goes for snob people who whine at the restaurant when their fork is not at the proper place on the table or complain about anything and everything. And ther are some peole who see ghosts everywhere and tend to overreact, I am sure that if everyone who bought a copy would actually come and chime in in this forum, it would be a "lot" busier than this.

Another aspect of the game selling a good bunch of copies is that EA has a lot of money to keep Dragon age in your face, trust me on this. ( dlc's are just one example) so no matter what even if it is broken people might and will buy it because they want to try it and if it does not work they will just shelve it.

The game here is to sell the base game ( origins)  that is what EA is after..if the can entice you enough to buy the game because you heard about a DLC months later then they have won. It is business and it keeps going round and round...they know that if you buy origins you are likely to buy the rest of the mods too.

so there you have it, the people who do no talk about anything and the people who talk about everything. It is up to Bioware to judge  who is right and who is wrong and slash in the middle and what is truth and rumours and myths about their game.

So far having been here almost form the start, most of what people have said is getting fixed right now...so that many people can't be wrong...and like an iceberg, the fans here are only the tip of the fanbase who bought the game. so no sales alone will not tell you that the game works fine or not.

nuff said

The game as-is works for MOST people.  That's the only point I wanted to make.

[BrunoB1971]

We may not get an update at the same time this week, because we have a Canadian Holiday on thursday and a good percentage of people will take friday off too which is patch update day report.



Hopefully i am wrong and Victor will still have some more good news to give to us.

[HTTP 404]

I cant wait till I get my note from Zevran



Dear "insert Character name"



I gave you AIDS. have a gorgeous day, my love.

[Corvus Black]

i havent seen +%x healing received bug fixed yet.

[MaxQuartiroli]

There is a big difference between "a game which can be finished in some way" and a game which works correctly

And this thing acts also in a different way depending on the kind of player... The thing I care the most is the RPG component of a game therefore I won't be the kind of player who complains if a sword which should do a +12 damage make only +10 instead of +12...
The final ending bugs are really a shame for me..something I cannot really accept, but what is a big problem for a player could also be a minor thing for another.. Therefore the people who complains are not all the people who have problems, but all the people who have problems which prevent them the elements of the game they care about...

In my last playtrough after 1.03 update I began to suffer a crash every 5 minutes.. while for months my game crashed 1 time every 40 hours...I Found a workaround...disabling video frame buffer and sounds effects, I managed to finish the game without having other crashes. and I was still able to enjoy it 'cause I don't mind too much about sounds and graphics but is the story I care about...

Despite of this, from a neutral point of view I cannot say that my game was fine, even if I liked it, even if I finished it. And I can ensure that I know other players like me, who don't say a word here but managed to finish the game using my same workarounds...

If a players doesn't complain here it doesn't mean that his game is 100% working...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 29 juin 2010 - 07:10 .