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[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I think Bioware over-corrected from Kaidan. A lot of people complained Kaidan was too clingy. Something in between Kaidan and Jacob please. Mainly meanly Garrus of course.

My MainShep is a Kaidanite and I love everything about Kaidan! But Jacob was just *BARF*

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Huh, that conversation has always popped up very naturally for me. Are you quite sure you are on the right staircase? There are two staircases I think.

J4N3_M3 wrote...


yes! In the end, I actually walked up and down all staircases I could find, checked all youtube videos I could find and then gave up.....I never got that convo! NEVER! *goes to corner and cwies*

Have you tried again since then?  Maybe something didn't load properly.

actually, every time I go to the Citadel! Maybe it's a glitch in my game

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

I went through Jacob's romance. It's bad. F!Shepard sounds horrible, and her lines are horrible. Jacob has a few comments that are basically about how much he wants to bed her. If you try to help Jacob with his problems, he gets super pissed. Bioware...having party members who get pissed off if you ask about them is probably not the best way to go.

Jacob insists on keeping things casual (nothing attached, serious, or involved), but he will get PISSED OFF if you break up with him. It's not so much that he get pissed off itself, it's that he gets so pissed off when he was the one who didn't want anything to be serious...jeez.

Well... in Jacob's defense, even Kaidan gets upset with you if you ask him the wrong way about Vyrnnus.  ("I'm 32 years old, Shepard, I think I'm over it by now." I can't believe I just quoted that from memory.)  However, he doesn't stop talking to you.

Childish LI's FTW.

If you'll excuse me, I'll be in the main battery, disrupting someone's calibrations.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I think Bioware over-corrected from Kaidan. A lot of people complained Kaidan was too clingy. Something in between Kaidan and Jacob please. Mainly meanly Garrus of course.

That's what I think too. In particular, some people thought that Kaidan..."complained." (I don't think Kaidan complained, but for whatever reason, some people did)

So they made Jacob, some guy with apparently no baggage who almost never meaningfully talks about his past.

What resulted from this science experiment? A guy generally regarded as the most boring squad mate and having the worst romance in the Mass Effect series altogether. He has the most content in his romance, yet he's pretty much treated like a recurring joke on the internet. He's racist & judgmental and he gets so annoyed about you asking about his past (because he's super no baggage guy) that he will stop talking to you altogether.

Modifié par Collider, 14 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .

[J4N3_M3]

Sialater wrote...
Well... in Jacob's defense, even Kaidan gets upset with you if you ask him the wrong way about Vyrnnus.  ("I'm 32 years old, Shepard, I think I'm over it by now." I can't believe I just quoted that from memory.)  However, he doesn't stop talking to you.

oops :whistle:

Sialater wrote...
If you'll excuse me, I'll be in the main battery, disrupting someone's calibrations.

remember the ingesting......DAMMIT! 
I swear, bioware totally ruined THAT entire term for me! including the *cough*

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Kaidan's response wasn't a brush off though and he later admits that he isn't over all that stuff with Rahna. What about his "you make me feel human" line. Isn't that a reference that he has been too guarded because he was overcompensating for Rahna and now he is glad he has let his guard down around Shep and can breathe and feel again? That's how I took it anyway. Kaidan does have issues and is finally man enough to admit it.

I never thought his issues were Rhana related, but that might be just me not accepting any competition for Kaidan next to my Shep. He actually tells you that it was nothing serious and that he never was the casual sex guy.

Jacob however is just barf barf barf ugh no no no barf

And Garrus....*purrs* :wub::wub::wub:

[Sialater]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Kaidan's response wasn't a brush off though and he later admits that he isn't over all that stuff with Rahna. What about his "you make me feel human" line. Isn't that a reference that he has been too guarded because he was overcompensating for Rahna and now he is glad he has let his guard down around Shep and can breathe and feel again? That's how I took it anyway. Kaidan does have issues and is finally man enough to admit it.

I never thought his issues were Rhana related, but that might be just me not accepting any competition for Kaidan next to my Shep. He actually tells you that it was nothing serious and that he never was the casual sex guy.

Jacob however is just barf barf barf ugh no no no barf

And Garrus....*purrs* :wub::wub::wub:

That and the fact that he's a L2 and is often regarded as freak of nature.  Something my biotic Sheps are entirely sympathetic to.


I know Garrus <3's Shep... but given turian's distrust of biotics, do you think he had to overcome any prejudices against them to work with a biotic Shep?

(See?  Back on topic.)

Modifié par Sialater, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:03 .

[Collider]

Huh. I never thought heard of Turians being distrustful of biotics. If they are though, one quote from Garrus comes to mind...that he's not a very good Turian.

[ciaweth]

You guys are hilarious with your Jacob hate. Jacob does fine unless femShep decides she's going to peel back his cool military reserve with her fingernails. If you do that as femShep, you shouldn't be surprised to find something messy underneath. Jacob's got baggage like everyone else.



And "Oh, no, he said something mean when I got him to open up to me against his will, then dumped him for someone else," isn't a mark against him for me. I might have some choice words for someone who did that to me. It's a shame Jacob chooses to reference the species of the guy he's being dumped for, but people say nasty things when they're pissed. And he's a Cerberus operative; you knew what you were getting.



Anyway, Garrus.

[Sialater]

ciaweth wrote...

You guys are hilarious with your Jacob hate. Jacob does fine unless femShep decides she's going to peel back his cool military reserve with her fingernails. If you do that as femShep, you shouldn't be surprised to find something messy underneath. Jacob's got baggage like everyone else.

And "Oh, no, he said something mean when I got him to open up to me against his will, then dumped him for someone else," isn't a mark against him for me. I might have some choice words for someone who did that to me. It's a shame Jacob chooses to reference the species of the guy he's being dumped for, but people say nasty things when they're pissed. And he's a Cerberus operative; you knew what you were getting.

Anyway, Garrus.

No, the claming up he does if you ask him about his father is without dumping him for anyone else and can be BEFORE anyone else's romance is started.

I don't hate Jacob.  I think he's a good character that got railroaded into being too much.

[Sialater]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Our problem is that he projects onto Garrus when he should be angry at femshep for stringing him on. That's my problem anyway. He doesn't have an epic freak out over Thane. Oblivious Garrus is oblivious. It's not his fault. It's femshep's fault.

Also, Jacob's reaction is childish. Implying that Shep (a woman he is a romance with) has no right to ask about his mental and emotional wellbeing is just stupid wannabe machoness IMO. If Jacob really is that free of baggage I pity him. A quote of Sten's comes to mind. "Either you have an enviable memory or a pitiable life to know nothing of regret." There is an inherent idea of condescension in that ideology, that everyone ought to be "collected" and "free from baggage" or that thinking about the past is useless.

Not to mention, that as his commanding officer, she's got a right to ask about his mental state.  After all, it could effect the mission.


Which is why I don't like that Sidonis is never brought up again.

Modifié par Sialater, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:18 .

[ciaweth]

I wasn't talking about the clamming up bit at all. Though I figure anyone who goes that route gets what they deserve, too--he's clear about not wanting to talk about personal stuff.



Jacob's more complex than most were expecting from a BioWare character. People weren't expecting to be punished for asking questions quite as much as Jacob does.



Sorry, I'm pretty annoyed with the Jacob rage, especially after seeing some of the "fried chicken" motivationals people have done. To me, the character is a good guy who says some unfortunate things, and also some things that Shepard plainly deserves to hear if s/he has pushed too hard.

[ciaweth]

I don't think a couple of sentences about Garrus constitutes an "epic freak out." So he said something mean about Garrus...my reaction is "Whatever." Garrus is a big boy, he can take care of himself.



It's the CO's job also to know when not to push someone for personal info.

[Sialater]

I dislike how Shep talks to him and how the romance is written.  I don't dislike him.  I regret that neither Meghan nor Avery can talk to him without sounding like drunken cheerleader on prom night.

I get why you have to be obvious with Garrus.  When propositioning your best friend, you REALLY should be obvious and not hint.  But I don't see why with Jacob that you have to sound like that.

[ciaweth]

Sialater wrote...

I dislike how Shep talks to him and how the romance is written.  I don't dislike him.  I regret that neither Meghan nor Avery can talk to him without sounding like drunken cheerleader on prom night.

I get why you have to be obvious with Garrus.  When propositioning your best friend, you REALLY should be obvious and not hint.  But I don't see why with Jacob that you have to sound like that.

I totally agree with you here.  My femShep spoke with Jacob for the first time, and I was like, "Am I in estrus?  What is this?"

[Sialater]

ciaweth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I dislike how Shep talks to him and how the romance is written.  I don't dislike him.  I regret that neither Meghan nor Avery can talk to him without sounding like drunken cheerleader on prom night.

I get why you have to be obvious with Garrus.  When propositioning your best friend, you REALLY should be obvious and not hint.  But I don't see why with Jacob that you have to sound like that.

I totally agree with you here.  My femShep spoke with Jacob for the first time, and I was like, "Am I in estrus?  What is this?"

Yep.  And the problem is, given your dialogue with him, I can't actually see a Paragon or a Paragrade character going for him.  (Especially not one for whom Kaidan wasn't a one night stand, like MY Sheps.)  He's better suited to the bad girls.  Which is odd, since he's a paragon-type himself.

I'm going back to disrupting someone's calibrations now.