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Our problem is that he projects onto Garrus when he should be angry at femshep for stringing him on. That's my problem anyway. He doesn't have an epic freak out over Thane. Oblivious Garrus is oblivious. It's not his fault. It's femshep's fault.

Also, Jacob's reaction is childish. Implying that Shep (a woman he is a romance with) has no right to ask about his mental and emotional wellbeing is just stupid wannabe machoness IMO. If Jacob really is that free of baggage I pity him. A quote of Sten's comes to mind. "Either you have an enviable memory or a pitiable life to know nothing of regret." There is an inherent idea of condescension in that ideology, that everyone ought to be "collected" and "free from baggage" or that thinking about the past is useless.


Not to mention, that as his commanding officer, she's got a right to ask about his mental state.  After all, it could effect the mission.


Which is why I don't like that Sidonis is never brought up again.


Agreed.

I actually don't mind Jacob, it's just there are so many other more engaing characters in ME, that it's easy to let him fall by the wayside. Also, there are times where his reactions to things don't make a lot of sense (a few examples illustrated already). I think BW wanted Jacob to be too many things, so he doesn't feel 'whole' - to me, at least. It's like a few ideas were emalgamated to create him, and while you would think this would make him Captain Awesome (and the preferential treatment he gets as an LI means someone certainly thought he was), it instead leaves him feeling a bit unfinished (again, IMO).

Regarding Shepard having the right to ask him stuff as his commander, is it me, or is he uber-casual with Shep from the outset, even though they don't know each other very well, and he's meant to be in a military operation? I can't work out his attitude.

Also, if he has no baggage, why is he all "it's a suicide mission. I volenteer!" fist chance he gets? Suspicious, if you ask me. Posted Image (especially since he is almost the the least qualified crew-member to do it).

And I also agree with Sia in that the Sidonus issue needed an after-conversation. Partly because more Garrus dialogue = win, but also because whatever the outcome, Garrus has issues a plenty to work through. When he says he doesn't want to talk about it, I understand Shepard giving him his space, but the fact that he says 'not yet' left me waiting for the conversation that never came. Here's hoping they are saving that for ME3!

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I don't think a couple of sentences about Garrus constitutes an "epic freak out." So he said something mean about Garrus...my reaction is "Whatever." Garrus is a big boy, he can take care of himself.

It's the CO's job also to know when not to push someone for personal info.


Like I said.  Femshep's fault.  Not Garrus'.  Why doesn't Jacob tell femshep off for string him on.  I'm not concerned that Garrus will get his feelings hurt.  I'm concerned that in his anger Jacob is venting his true feelings that he normally keeps a filter on.  "Epic freak out" is strong I admit, but resorting to racial slurs in a dismissive bout of anger/pouting is also not something I would call a "soft" or "understandable" reaction.

You can also argue that femshep makes it clear that she DOES want more than a casual relationship.  If Jacob doesn't want that, a cool "this is not gonna work Shepard" is a much more mature reaction than what Collider described.

My problem with Jacob's attitude is that by being so "collected" and testy about people probing for his feelings he is either saying "you can't help me" or "there is nothing about me that is broken IE I think I am perfect" or "trying to fix baggage is a useless endeavor IE I am a complete cynic."  All of those options mean I don't think I could get much from the relationship with him.  If he's not interested in growth and he doesn't want my opinion, advice, or help than it seems to imply all he is okay with is flirting and sex.  I'm not okay with that.  I want more.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:38 .


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Holy crap guys. The wind just blew over a tree in my street. Luckily it fell on some empty parking lots. Why do I have to live next to trees?

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

A quote of Sten's comes to mind. "Either you have an enviable memory or a pitiable life to know nothing of regret."


Sten + 10000000

Anyway, Jacob is cool as long as you don't ****** him off. I like the brohug. Even though those comments he makes won't make me warm up to him, it won't make me 'hate' him, because I didn't get those remarks on my mainShep PT. I expected 'better' from him, but mainShep doesn't know about that other side, so I'll just ignore that and still be neutral towards him. :whistle:

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What Cerryd said. My Shep doesn't dislike Jacob cause she never romances him. She thinks he's a dependable kind of guy who shouldn't be in Cerberus. I'm the one who dislikes him.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

What Cerryd said. My Shep doesn't dislike Jacob cause she never romances him. She thinks he's a dependable kind of guy who shouldn't be in Cerberus. I'm the one who dislikes him.


lol. RP win. Posted Image

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janeym27 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

What Cerryd said. My Shep doesn't dislike Jacob cause she never romances him. She thinks he's a dependable kind of guy who shouldn't be in Cerberus. I'm the one who dislikes him.


lol. RP win. Posted Image


This is one place where Bioware did succeed with Jacob over Kaidan.  It is totally possible for femshep to just be friends with Jacob without being rude or ignoring him.  This is a good thing that I applaud.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

What Cerryd said. My Shep doesn't dislike Jacob cause she never romances him. She thinks he's a dependable kind of guy who shouldn't be in Cerberus. I'm the one who dislikes him.


lol. RP win. Posted Image


This is one place where Bioware did succeed with Jacob over Kaidan.  It is totally possible for femshep to just be friends with Jacob without being rude or ignoring him.  This is a good thing that I applaud.


I approve this step forward, too.  I really don't like that I'm going to have to be rude to Kaidan (or kill him) just to have a single Shep for Garrus and Thane later on.

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Yea, I totally have to Virmire Kaidan. Lately I've just resolved myself to cheating on him...

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Bioware did scare a lot of women away however given the "femshep in heat" dialog and unfortunate early use of the word "fraternization" by Jacob. Jacob says the exact same thing to dudeshep. He doesn't mean it in an sexual way at all. However, many women went "on no, the Kaidan trap" and ran away and didn't talk to him again. A world like "informality" might have been a little less panic inducing.

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OMG GARRUS BATMAN

Modifié par ciaweth, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:10 .


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Man, the underpants on the outside look is unfortunate....especially for Garrus.

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Do people get sick of these kinds of conversations? I eat them up because I love indepth discussion but I don't meant to be overbearing...

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:15 .


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What conversations? *wanders back in*

Blame Blazen. I've gotten sucked into the vortex that is CDN rp.


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Me ranting at length about more romance content and then my abject dislike of Jacob.

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I want more romance :3

I've finally crafted the perfect Shepard to Romance Jacob.

She's based off my satyr character.

This should be fun. XD

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silentstephi wrote...

What conversations? *wanders back in*
Blame Blazen. I've gotten sucked into the vortex that is CDN rp.

Ha!  I've managed to stay away from that so far.  It looks so fun, but I just don't have the time.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Man, the underpants on the outside look is unfortunate....especially for Garrus.


He already has it.

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It's true.  :( Still, better than ME1 armor where he looks like a chick....Ok, that's officially one step over the "too-far" line. I'm shutting up now...:whistle:

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:23 .


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I like in-depth character discussions. It actually helps me write the characters better in my fics. I actually hang out here and in the Kaidan thread because they're the characters that matter the most to my Sheps.



Tali and Liara do, too... but they're easier to get a handle on, and I don't want to try to wade through the Tali thread.

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+1 for well placed Paragon interupts!  :o

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That interrupt doesn't stand a chance.

Also that outline of Garrus crotch could really be taken out of context you know.  If someone casually dropped in here and saw that first thing, they'd probably run away screaming.

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Don't worry about discussions, we like it here. Garrus thread is full with wall of texts :P

And now I can't stop staring at his crotch. I soo want to know how that armor comes off. And how he puts it on too of course. XD

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The way he has it on all the time, I'm pretty sure Garrus doesn't wear armor. I think it naturally grows there.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

That interrupt doesn't stand a chance.

Also that outline of Garrus crotch could really be taken out of context you know.  If someone casually dropped in here and saw that first thing, they'd probably run away screaming.


Oh the irony, first time I come in here and thats the thing I see :whistle:

Not gonna go run away screaming through, love Turians :D