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Bolboreta wrote...

I'm so so so sorry for ruining the mood with that picture :( 

Nevertheless, it's like everything else: I always love the things that touch my feelings, like sad songs or dramatic scenes. It's not that I like suffering, but sadness well performed makes me feel alive. I love happy endings, though.


Well it says in the artists description that garrus's fingers in this picture were supposed to look old and wrinkled, so I doubt this is anywhere near the mass effect 2 or 3 timeline, in fact I doubt it's even post mass effect 3, this is seemingly years beyond that.

So it's not like she died in action, I'm sure in the artists invisionment, she merely died in her bed with garrus at her side....

woops, did I lower the tone again? :unsure: 

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Talk about sad.

I had a disturbing dream this morning.

Late home from work, it's dark already and as I come in, the only light is the bluish hue from the tv. I peek into the living room and see a large lump of strange shape on my couch. It's a turian! I walk in all the way, pressing my hands over my mouth or else I'd scream, because it's not just any turian. It's Nihlus! Sleeping on my couch!

OMG, I'm thinking, OMG, Nihlus is real. He's real and he came here to watch tv in my house and fell asleep, how adorable! I'm thinking, wait till I post this on BSN, the guys in the Garrus thread will go nuts. I'm so happy to see him, real, and alive, I'm euphoric, crazy, it's better than sex!

Then I decide to wake him up, can't wait to hear his voice. He's huge. I sort of tap his shoulder first, a bit scared, but nothing happens. I start to shake him and still, nothing happens. I start to panic. I drag his arms and shake him wildly and slap his face and there's nothing, nothing! At last it hits me. He's not sleeping. He's dead.

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i think... if i ever had that dream, i'd be sobbing in a corner for days.

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I feel like sobbing in a corner and it wasn't even my dream.. darn. But that hands with the dogtags artwork HAS been messing with some of my dreams lately, can't remember them fully but I know it's left some bit of impression on my mind. Maybe I can pull some one-shot fanfic idea out of all this? Plus I'm just sad in general since my hubby is going away for an overseas trip soon without me (first time since we've been married that we'll be apart). Meh. That one piece of fanart is having one heck of a profound effect.

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Damn, dark mood.

I can fix that:

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#27154
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AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Damn, dark mood.

I can fix that:


That song is incredible! :o 

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Yes it is BubbleSauce, yes it is...

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BubbleSauce wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

Indeed. Didn't feel like "HAHA" though.


Sorry if I offended you, I just laughed at the idea the your dream was toying with you, I was not by any means laughing at the fact that one of my favourite minor characters in the mass effect universe was lying dead on your couch. 

Sorry.

You haven't offended me, especially not in the sense that I'd be bothered by your attitude towards the death of a fictional character. What bothered me about your reply is that I clearly stated that the dream had been disturbing, meaning that I was having a strong emotional reaction to it, and you essentially mocked it. Not to mention how presumptuous it is of you to assume that you can know anything about my subconsciousness from the description of one dream given over a public forum.

Perhaps I shouldn't post things with heavy emotional context, but I felt safe doing so here because others have done it before and I don't remember they'd been mocked for it.

It's just... perhaps a bit more care, you know? Think how you'd feel if you said, "I'm genuinely sad for whatever reason," and somebody answered, "HAHA."

Obsy, I knew you'd understand.  <3

Leonia, sad to hear about the separation. Hope it's not for a long time. <3 

Now, let's not be sad anymore.

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what a beautiful picture that is Olivia.

and just to go back to what you said... oh god do i understand. my dreams affect my general mood all the time.and dreaming about someone, anyone's death would make me sad.
Please don't feel as though you can't post emotional things here. i would like to consider you all my friends, and i would like to believe that any of us can come in here and feel comfortable with our emotions.

in other words, I LOVE YOU GUYS!

@leonia. I'm so sorry hun for your seperation. I hope its not for too long... trust me, i truely understand how it goes. how long is he going for?

also. dead Nihlus is a terrilbly sad thing. also, like the cake, it is a lie.

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Olivia, I envy you guys. Not b/c of Olivia's nightmare, but that you guys dream of Mass Effect related dreams. I have never had that kind of a dream, ever. *sigh* Hmm, maybe filling my head full with ME could make me dream? Nah, maybe not.

@Bolboreta It's okay. Picture like those really shows how much I care for Garrus. Damn you BW! Make me care about someone that doesn't even exist in real life. I sure have a rivalry romance with with BW.

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Lady Olivia wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

Indeed. Didn't feel like "HAHA" though.


Sorry if I offended you, I just laughed at the idea the your dream was toying with you, I was not by any means laughing at the fact that one of my favourite minor characters in the mass effect universe was lying dead on your couch. 

Sorry.

You haven't offended me, especially not in the sense that I'd be bothered by your attitude towards the death of a fictional character. What bothered me about your reply is that I clearly stated that the dream had been disturbing, meaning that I was having a strong emotional reaction to it, and you essentially mocked it. Not to mention how presumptuous it is of you to assume that you can know anything about my subconsciousness from the description of one dream given over a public forum.

Perhaps I shouldn't post things with heavy emotional context, but I felt safe doing so here because others have done it before and I don't remember they'd been mocked for it.

It's just... perhaps a bit more care, you know? Think how you'd feel if you said, "I'm genuinely sad for whatever reason," and somebody answered, "HAHA."

Obsy, I knew you'd understand.  <3

Leonia, sad to hear about the separation. Hope it's not for a long time. <3 

Now, let's not be sad anymore.

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I wasn't laughing at you, nor was I mocking you, nor was I pretending to know about your subconcious, you say you're not bothered by the fact, but then you asked me to relate to the fact by putting myself in the situation where I'd be saying "I'm genuinely sad for whatever reason"

It was simply a joke, and I didn't think you'd take it personally, I apologized, however that doesn't always stop me from feeling like an ass hole, so again, I'm very sorry if I offended you. 

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 18 juin 2011 - 08:15 .


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Lady Olivia wrote...

You haven't offended me, especially not in the sense that I'd be bothered by your attitude towards the death of a fictional character. What bothered me about your reply is that I clearly stated that the dream had been disturbing, meaning that I was having a strong emotional reaction to it, and you essentially mocked it.

No, I'm pretty sure he mocked your subconscious for being a mean ****** to you, not your (very understandable) emotional reaction to the dream your subconcious so graciously gifted to you.

My subconscious is a mean ****** to me all the time, so I know the feeling. I can no longer count the nights I have dreamt of playing ME3 - ACTUALLY playing the bloody game, with a 360 control in hand that feels as real as the actual 360 control and a screen depicting the game just as I imagined it, all of it feeling as real as anything... just for me to wake up and realize it's all a dream and that it's still 9 months away. I literally wake up to say, "WHY? WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DO THAT?" to my subconscious every morning this happens.

I swear, if I had a gun with 2 bullets and I were in the same room as Bobby Kotick, Hitler and my subconscious, I would shoot Bobby Kotick twice, crack Hitler's skull with the butt of the gun and then strangle my subconscious, in that order.

Lady Olivia wrote...

Not to mention how presumptuous it is of you to assume that you can know anything about my subconscious from the description of one dream given over a public forum.

He didn't. And to be fair, not even you know anything about your subconscious - no offense intended.

None of us knows our own subconscious (if we did, it wouldn't be using the "sub"-prefix), and we never will unless we invent the dream tech used in Inception (I hope we do B), because I'd like to meet my subconscious for reasons stated above).

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Perhaps I shouldn't post things with heavy emotional context, but I felt safe doing so here because others have done it before and I don't remember they'd been mocked for it.

On the internet, everyone are elcor who doesn't explain what they really mean with the things they say.

Because of the fact that text doesn't reveal tone or body language, it's easy to mistake a statement for meaning something that it doesn't. Just take internet sarcasm as a good example. Everyone uses it, but no one understands it, everyone gets it wrong and everyone gets insulted for it. It's an evil spiral.

So, we should all be more like the elcor.

Pleased remark, this is much better, isn't it?

Lady Olivia wrote...

It's just... perhaps a bit more care, you know? Think how you'd feel if you said, "I'm genuinely sad for whatever reason," and somebody answered, "HAHA."

I did, in fact, recently have a somewhat similiar dream in which I took the role, personality and mind of Sheploo John Shepard on a smaller frigate flying at a 10+ kilometer altitude across a windy, cloudy landscape, tailed by Cerberus shuttles. These shuttles eventually managed to lock themselves to the docking hatch of the frigate midflight (don't ask me how, the plot holes were a-plenty in that dream) and allow Cerberus soldiers to board the vessel. 

For some reason, the frigate had all these impractical, massive ceiling-to-floor panoramic windows everywhere along the ship hull, so I came up with this BRILLIANT idea of shooting the windows and use the decompression effect (apparently the frigate had no mass effect fields to prevent this! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]) to flush out the soldiers.

Only problem was, an airbump later, Miranda - one of the squadmates present - lost her grip and fell out the very hole I just created into the harsh, unforgiving and most certainly lethal embrace of Lady Gravity. While it was happening and a short moment after waking up, this was horribly, horribly traumatizing. I lost someone under my command due to actions I thought would actually help us. Man, the guilt trip was terrible.

Now, while I like Miranda as a squadmate and appreciate her as a good and well-written character, she's never been anywhere near my 5 top favorite ME characters or the list of characters I wouldn't want to see die in ME3. Before this dream, I barely paid her any attention, and afterwards, all I can think about when her name is mentioned is how I DO NOT WANT her to die like she did in the dream. While I didn't tell anyone on the forum about the dream (it never actually occured to me until now), I DID tell a few of my fellow ME-fan friends, all of whom thought I was:

1) Being ridiculous for getting worked up over a dream.
2) Falling for Miranda's "assets".
3) Playing/discussing/nerding Mass Effect WAY too much for my own good, which is probably true.

Now, I could have felt insulted because how they reacted to me sharing this very emotional dream... and unlike BubbleSauce, they actually insulted me as opposed to just my subconscious... but I just let it go. If they had reacted similiarly to the death of a relative or good friend, THEN I would have felt incredibly insulted. But it was just a dream - a horrible and traumatizing dream, but a dream nonetheless.

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on the subject of dreams,
a couple weeks ago I had one where Garrus was nuzzling his nose against my cheek, but I only caught glimpses of him, there was mostly just a sense that it was him. My dreams are normally very long but that one was short, too short. I was very disappointed when I woke up. :pinched:

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i think the forum ate my post. dammit.

it went something like this.

Respectfully, Arcian, sometimes, you impress me immensely.

Reverentially. This is one of those times. you are currently my personal hero. :D


Excited bouncing. Who's up for Skype tonight? :D

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Lady Olivia wrote...


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D'awww.. this makes my day.


@Obsy and Olivia: Hubby is only going for a week, business trip but it feels much longer to me. We've been married for 3 years now and it just feels weird because he's like.. he's like the Garrus to my FemShep. Ok, that sounds geeky but it's true. Thanks for your support though, really appreciate it.

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 i offer hugs. and virtual chocolate. trust me, these things work.  i've been with my boy for 8 years, and he's been in Afghanistan for the past 11 months. it really does feel like something's missing. i'm sorry. 
.....i's here if you want to talk. 
oh. and is this a cute thing? 
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the comments on the following one had me giggling hysterically.  Artist

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@BubbleSauce
You're right, you apologized and I made you apologize again. That was over the top, so let me now apologize to you. :) Gets complicated after a few rounds, doesn't it? We're all good,as far as I'm concerned. I overreacted a bit, can't promise it won't happen again! :innocent:

@Arcian
Thank you for the lovely post. I could talk about this stuff forever, but I don't want to derail the thread (like there's anyone but us reading it!), so I'll reply just to this:

None of us knows our own subconscious (if we did, it wouldn't be using the "sub"-prefix), and we never will...

This isn't entirely true. You can never get to know all of it, but you can bring much of it out in the open. Psychoanalysis does just that, and dream analysis is a part of it.

We're having dreams about ME in part because we spend a lot of time thinking about ME. But there's another angle. Things from ME become symbols for things in our real lives, and then our sleeping minds use them to tell us stuff, send us messages, sometimes solve our problems. If you were worked up about that dream, it means the dream was important, it had a strong message you should think about and try to understand. I can't tell what the message was (that would be presumptuous, ahem) - but you might if you set your mind to it.

The reason why I was so worked up over my dream and Bubble's reaction (which was innocent, I see it now and I'm sorry) - was that I sort of know what the dream meant and it hurts on a real-life level as well as on the dream level.

Not to end on a sad note, glad everyone liked that picture. One of my favorites. :)

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Obsydian wrote...

 i offer hugs. and virtual chocolate. trust me, these things work.  i've been with my boy for 8 years, and he's been in Afghanistan for the past 11 months. it really does feel like something's missing. i'm sorry. 
.....i's here if you want to talk. 
oh. and is this a cute thing? 
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the comments on the following one had me giggling hysterically.  Artist


Incidentally, that's fanart of mine and Misty's story, E Tenebrea Et Lux. *scuffs a toe* 

<---is shy lately

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there is some gorgeous art for that fic.

......i shall have to go read it. :D no be shy. its beautiful, and i'm sure the story is too.

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Obsydian wrote...

there is some gorgeous art for that fic.

......i shall have to go read it. :D no be shy. its beautiful, and i'm sure the story is too.


Thanks.

Now, if only Misty and I could get back on track with it so that it could be FINISHED. . .

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Lady Olivia wrote...

None of us knows our own subconscious (if we did, it wouldn't be using the "sub"-prefix), and we never will...

This isn't entirely true. You can never get to know all of it, but you can bring much of it out in the open. Psychoanalysis does just that, and dream analysis is a part of it.

We're having dreams about ME in part because we spend a lot of time thinking about ME. But there's another angle. Things from ME become symbols for things in our real lives, and then our sleeping minds use them to tell us stuff, send us messages, sometimes solve our problems. If you were worked up about that dream, it means the dream was important, it had a strong message you should think about and try to understand. I can't tell what the message was (that would be presumptuous, ahem) - but you might if you set your mind to it.

The reason why I was so worked up over my dream and Bubble's reaction (which was innocent, I see it now and I'm sorry) - was that I sort of know what the dream meant and it hurts on a real-life level as well as on the dream level.

Well I guess that's true. I do in fact draw much wisdom from some of my dreams. For example like the one about Miranda dying, that one I had while I was waiting for the results of the entrance tests and the interview I did for the prestigious Journalism Program of the Strömbäck Folk High School outside of Umeå, where I live. I think it had a lot to do with fear of failing despite the best intentions, and letting people down in the process. Either that, or Morpheus just wanted me to start caring for Miranda. He's a funny one (not really, if you've ever read Sandman).

On the other hand, I can't really see the point of my subconscious f***ing me over by making me think 9 arduous months have passed and that I'm actually playing the game. There's probably some silver lining of insight in there, but I'm way, way, WAY too mad to see it.

Obsydian wrote...

Excited bouncing. Who's up for Skype tonight? :D

Yesplease?

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Recipe for a nice Garrus dream (worked once for me, anyhow):

·Eat a nice big late dinner
·Fire up ME2, have Shep invite Garrus up for cliptastic cuddles
·Leave that up while you doodle/draw/work on something else for awhile

Had the nicest dream that night that I was cuddling Garrus on some backwater planet. For some reason, I was cuddling him in the middle of a gardening shop/plant nursery? Didn't matter though! Garrus cuddles. I LOVE YOU, BRAIN.

Skype! I am brand new to the internets, and have never used Skype but it sounds like fun. Could I concieveably Skype while working on a digital painting? It's webcam chatting or internet phonecalls or how the hells does it work? :unsure:

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Bolboreta wrote...

I'm so so so sorry for ruining the mood with that picture :( 

Nevertheless, it's like everything else: I always love the things that touch my feelings, like sad songs or dramatic scenes. It's not that I like suffering, but sadness well performed makes me feel alive. I love happy endings, though.


nooooo!!  thank you for posting it! ^_^
The ability of art to elicit a strong emotional response is a beautiful thing, be it anger, fear, joy, or sadness.
I was really moved by that picture.  And I may not have seen it if not for your post, so thanks :)

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It's been so emotional in here...let's all celebrate our kinship with some trippy-unicorn-upside-down-Anderson cake! :wizard:
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Ah, much better. :police:

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I hope I'm not coming out of the blue or interrupting any current conversations here, but..... what sort of character development do you hope to see from Garrus in ME3? I'm hoping that he either has a true chance to flex his leadership muscles or becomes a lone wolf, depending on what path you've led him down.

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You're not interrupting anything, welcome :)

Personally, I think it would be AWESOME if they could make your previous choices shape who Garrus becomes...whether or not you let him kill Saleon/Sidonis, your conversations with him...I will love BW forever if they make it a factor in his ME3 personality.

And there is an ME3 Garrus thread, in the ME3 section of the forum, where you may be able to get additional feedback.  Haven't been there myself...I'm swimming upstream against the ocean of potential spoilers :P