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[ArcanaLegacy]

Skits wrote...
I seriously hope that there's SOME way to save everyone, though if there is I'm sure it'd depend on what actions you took in ME1 and 2. We shall see what happens! I like this loads of multiple endings thing - so much replay value!

Im bringing over this quote from a Commander shep thread that shows how I feel about the ending:

meonlyred wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
So ME3 is the end of Shepards story right? I
know ME is all about choices, but somethings do happen regardless like
that Arival mission. Damn I really hope they don't kill shep at the
end.

I'm sure we'll get at least 2 dead Shepard endings.
1. The bad ending. You messed up one to many times and everyone and everything dies.
2. The heroic self-sacrifice ending. Everyone would have died but Shepard steps in and dies to saves the galaxy.

But I'm sure there will also be a Star Wars: A New Hope ending. Everyone lives, gets a metal, and stands posed for one final epic shot.

Hell yea for heroic endings ala Star Wars example!

edit: GAH totpg brb!

ok - i wont post the WHOLE image for fearing i will get in serious trouble XD

Thats hot^^
I MUCH greatly prefer Garrus' plates/body to be more....eh - smoother and consecutive. But still a nice image.

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:41 .

[Leonia]

Indeed, what's with the trend in overly ragged carapaces with turian fanart? I mean, I get it's the artist's interpretation but it seems so commonplace now, would like to see more smooth carapaces. It's still a lovely picture though, don't you just want to rub that fringe?

[Skits]

Haha that vid of Mordin is perfect. And yeah, I was feeling pretty Mordin-ish when I wrote that particular line. XD

I... write snippets and bits! Or attempt to, anyway, hehehe. I have a lot of trouble actually getting my fic stuff on paper, so to speak - I'm easily distracted, and a perfectionist, so if I can't think of the precise exact way to write what I want to write, I tend to... not do it. And then go draw pictures instead. XD Although I'm not that much better at getting pics done either, hehe. Need to livestream more! Inspiration! Aspiration! Motivation!

Well, I dunno if turians would cry emotionally, but they probably do have some sorta eye-watering mechanism just to keep the eye healthy, wash crap out, etc. etc. And yeah, poor Garrus was so embarrassed at the Archangel thing. *snickers* Yeah, turian emotions are mostly expressed through body language and THEM MANDIBLES, definitely. Damnit, now I'm gonna hafta go back and play the Archangel recruitment mission again. XD

Speaking of turian physiology, I mentioned this a while back but think it got missed in the shuffle. What do people think a turian's sense of smell is like? Is it good enough that they could track someone with it, or closer to a human's? I honestly can't make up my mind on this one.

On the one hand, if they're avian-ish, they probably wouldn't have a great sense of smell... but if they're more dino-raptorial-ish, it could be great. Physically, I'm not sure how much cranium room they'd have for olfactory systems - they've got relatively small noses, and a fair bit of room would be taken up by the optical systems given their sharp eyesight, but they also have those somewhat elongated skulls... *brainfry*

Heh, given that the Reapers have arrived, I dunno how much free time anyone will have in ME3. Even when travelling between systems or whatever, there'd still be mission planning, info parsing, weapons and armour maintenance... and of course stress relief, in both the most innocent and most dirty forms. And yeah, I can totally see him getting a little touchy about the Thanix Cannons. XD "Do you have any idea how long I spent calibrating those things?!"

Bah, these ain't mountains. If I actually included all the other topics I could think of that I'd like to see discussion on, I could probably go for pages in one post. Must... try... to... slow... down...!

EDIT: And whoa, more posts while I was typing! Yeah, I totally want A New Hope style ending to be at least ONE of the ends of ME3. XD

As for the whole ragged carapace trend in fan art, I blame one word: Chafing. 

Modifié par Skits, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

[Lady Olivia]

leonia42 wrote...

Indeed, what's with the trend in overly ragged carapaces with turian fanart? I mean, I get it's the artist's interpretation but it seems so commonplace now, would like to see more smooth carapaces.

Do you suppose the roughness of the carapace is telling of age? I like the idea that, the younger the turian, the smoother his face. You'd call a young recruit, "smooth-faced."

I believe that scars on carapace are for life. (Of course, they could probably be removed by aesthetic surgery or its ME equivalents, but I don't imagine many turians would go to great lengths to hide their scars.) So, they accumulate over years, the big ones and small ones alike, they dull the shine and produce the equivalent of wrinkles.

Thoughts?

*Edited for clarity.

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

[Skits]

Well we've already seen that older turians tend to have more rugged/cracked facial plates, like Warden Kuril in the Purgatory. His face is so cracked and scarred up, he looks positively -ancient-. It makes sense that the rest of his body would be in a similar state.

Of course, it wouldn't be -just- age, there'd also be whatever experiences they've lived through. Like Garrus - he'd still be fairly smooth-plated, I think, except for all the battle crap he's been through. So parts are stlil smoothish, and parts are... well, we've seen. XD Career politicians would be less rugged, war veterans would be more, etc. etc.

[Lady Olivia]

Skits wrote...

On the one hand, if they're avian-ish, they probably wouldn't have a great sense of smell... but if they're more dino-raptorial-ish, it could be great. Physically, I'm not sure how much cranium room they'd have for olfactory systems - they've got relatively small noses, and a fair bit of room would be taken up by the optical systems given their sharp eyesight, but they also have those somewhat elongated skulls... *brainfry*

Why would you think "dino-like"? Is it the usage of the word "raptor"? I've never read it as anything but "bird of pray."

Even if you could make conclusions about the size of particular parts of the brain from the shape of the external organs (and I personally think it's the wrong kind of a guessing game), the size of the brain and its parts has nothing to do with functionality.

Example: the human brain has been steadily shrinking in the past century or so (or more, don't remember the particulars) - and not because we're getting stupid (though I see the attraction of the thought), but because the brain is getting more efficient.

[Skits]

The dino-raptor thing comes from people sometimes referring to turians as a dinosaur kinda thing. XD I added the dino to the raptor bit to clarify/differentiate it from the avian-raptor. 

And yeah, I realise size usually doesn't have much impact on functionality, but given what info we have to go on (ie. not bloody much, hehe), I'm working with whatever I can get my grabby little hands on. 

The question still stands though, how good IS a turian's sense of smell? 

[Leonia]

Well.. Garrus claim to be able to "smell" Harkin on his loyalty mission but I always got the impresion it was just a turn of phrase and the sort of thing one would say while they are "on the hunt", so to speak. I'm not sure whether that means they have a great sense of smell or not but it's not like humans are known for a heightened sense of smell either so turians very well could have a "greater" capacity than humans (but not be all that great in comparison to other species, maybe). They have a lot of other predatory characteristics so it makes sense to have a heightened sense of smell as well but that's total guess-work.

I also like Olivia's theory on smooth-skin turians being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, if memory serves).

[BubbleSauce]

 You know, people say that the human brain is generally at the most creative first thing in the morning, it seems that with you guys however, that the human brain is at its most creative, when ever the hell I'm asleep!! God Damn it, I feel like GMT is trolling me.

Seriously I go to bed talking about how Garrus is having a stroke and then I wake up to what can only be described as "Profound and in-depth discussion, and excellently articulated points."

*shudders* The idea is foreign to me...

Skits wrote...

Like, can you imagine how horribly torn he'd be if it were between Shepard and, say, Palaven? Where his FAMILY lives? XD (Again, this is if it's NOT for the greater good to save Shep.) He may not get along with his dad much, but he still cares about his mother and sister, and who knows what other friends and family he has back at home.

I can honestly say that I would be willing to sacrifice any of the other homeworlds to save palaven, I'd even go as far as sacrificing earth, although I've had the idea for a while of the end of mass effect 3 having something to do with sacrificing earth to save the rest of the galaxy, I liked the idea, especially with all of this marketing that bioware is doing "We have to save Earth!!" for mass effect 3, I just think it would be a brilliant to have the choice of sacrificing earth to save... Oh I don't know, a large portion of turian/salarian/asari space for example? It's either a brilliant example of the ultimate sacrifice, or the world greatest troll, either way I'd love it to happen... 

Skits wrote...

Garrus... goes very quiet for a while. XD Then he replies, but I'm not gonna say what it is 'cause that's for the fic. If I ever get around to actually writing it, ugh. Despite my verbal diarrhea here, I find writing actual fic very difficult, heh. Too self-critical.

Oh, I know exactly what you mean, I do believe that I am relatively good at writing, and I do look up a lot of tips and the like on the internet, however I suffer from an idea that was originally thought up by a group called the vlogbrothers, it's called "brain crack" and it basically consists of thinking about something in your head, and then not doing it immediately, but constantly tweaking it around in you head and playing with it, and then your brain gets so addicted to thinking about it that it only sees the imperfections in the idea, and then you keep tweaking and tweaking and you never get around to doing it.

There's also a problem I mainly have that stemed from one tip that I read on the internet that basically told you to constantly note things down, whether it be a line of dialogue that you just thought up, a character bio, or just a name that you thought up. The problem is, is that I've got so much utter bollocks written down in this little A5 notepad, that I simply don't know how to work it into the story that's been subject to the braincrack idea, so now I've gotten my brain addicted to trying to work these characters into a story, and I just can't seem to make it fit, and the annoying thing is, is that THIS IS A TERRIBLE WAY TO WRITE A STORY!! From what I've heard, you should never build a story around a character, the character should fit into the story, and if it doesn't fit at all, well then it shouldn't really be in the story then should it? But of course, I've spent so much time thinking about these characters individually, that I really don't want to have to get rid of them... *sigh* this is just one big pathetic first world problem isn't it?

And a lot of this stuff isn't even that great either, let em give you an example:

-Ah Garrus, fate has been kind to us, hasn't it?

-I don't believe in fate Shepard...

-Well then, this must be one hell of a great coincidence, don't you think?

So yeah, basically the cheesiest pile of complete and utter bollocks you'll ever read in your entire life, feel free to laugh at that for while...

leonia42 wrote...

Indeed, what's with the trend in overly ragged carapaces with turian fanart? I mean, I get it's the artist's interpretation but it seems so commomplace now, would like to see more smooth carapaces.

Agreed, If I wanted to wake up beside that every morning, I'd run into the kitchen and rub my face against a cheese grater when I wake up.

Lady Olivia wrote...

Do you suppose the rougness of the carapace is telling of age? I like the idea that, the yougner the turian, the smoother his face. You'd call an young recruit "smooth-faced."

Heh, I actually like that idea a lot, although do you mean that the would natuarally fray and wear, or do you mean that over time and through battle, the scars would mount up and start to show?

leonia42 wrote...

I also like olivia's theory on smooth-skin being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, If my memory serves).

Oi! Don't ruin Gavorn for me, they're probably just scars from battle, I doubt that he's that old, he seems fairly open minded, if you ask me... 

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 31 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .

[Lady Olivia]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

Do you suppose the rougness of the carapace is telling of age? I like the idea that, the yougner the turian, the smoother his face. You'd call an young recruit "smooth-faced."

Heh, I actually like that idea a lot, although do you mean that the would natuarally fray and wear, or do you mean that over time and through battle, the scars would mount up and start to show?

I imagine there would be some natural degradation even for a very well-sheltered turian. Similar like with human bones, you know? But the primary process would be from external sources. And not necessarily just scars, as in, from injuries - the carapace simply becomes worn in time. The more... action, the more wear. Sort of like with skin on the hands: you can tell if a person works with big machines or with books and pencils from one glance at the hands.

BubbleSauce wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I also like olivia's theory on smooth-skin being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, If my memory serves).

Oi! Don't ruin Gavorn for me, they're probably just scars from battle, I doubt that he's that old, he seems fairly open minded, if you ask me... 

I have the feeling you're thinking of a certain award-winning fic. If so... how does anything in it depend on his age? How old do you think a person needs to be in order to become close-minded?  

Actually... I'm not entirely sure I want to know, lol.

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 31 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[BubbleSauce]

BubbleSauce wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...
I also like olivia's theory on smooth-skin being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, If my memory serves).

Oi! Don't ruin Gavorn for me, they're probably just scars from battle, I doubt that he's that old, he seems fairly open minded, if you ask me... 

I have the feeling you're thinking of a certain award-winning fic. If so... how does anything in it depend on his age? How old do you think a person needs to be in order to become close-minded?  

Actually... I'm not entirely sure I want to know, lol.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about, I was refering to his video in the shadow brookers archives, get it now? 

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 31 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[Skits]

It's morning SOMEWHERE in the world! XD Though right now for me it's almost 1am, hehehe. Which I suppose counts as morning!

Haha "brain crack", that's a good way to describe it, yeah. My brain must be on so much crack... XD I also note down little bits and pieces, but then get distracted by other things and just... don't get around to fleshing them out. Why hello thar, short attention span.

In this discussion about turian age and carapace-weathering, let's not forget that turian general whose name I can't remember right now and his lovely leathery backside. MMM LEATHER. Turians probably get calluses like humans do too, like on the skin of the hands and feet where there's no carapace. Though given how much they wear armour... hm. Would they still get calluses through armour? Or would armour cause its own calluses? /ponder

Anyway, I should probably go to bed for now... hopefully there will be more "profound and in-depth discussion, and excellently articulated points" for me to catch up on and reply to when I wake up!

[Chewin]

Wow, it feels like forever since I last was here though it has only been 3 days. Anyway nice to see you guys!! Wow, Bubble has grown sooo much these last days. Damn that I missed all the discussions...

But I just wanted to say hi, I'll catch up with ya guys soon

Modifié par Chewin3, 31 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[Lady Olivia]

BubbleSauce wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...
I also like olivia's theory on smooth-skin being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, If my memory serves).

Oi! Don't ruin Gavorn for me, they're probably just scars from battle, I doubt that he's that old, he seems fairly open minded, if you ask me... 

I have the feeling you're thinking of a certain award-winning fic. If so... how does anything in it depend on his age? How old do you think a person needs to be in order to become close-minded?  

Actually... I'm not entirely sure I want to know, lol.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about, I was refering to his video in the shadow brookers archives, get it now? 

I think we pretty much mean the same thing, only in different... amounts.

Warning: Slash, NSFW
Dreams of Illium

[MoonEcho]

Skits wrote...

In this discussion about turian age and carapace-weathering, let's not forget that turian general whose name I can't remember right now and his lovely leathery backside. MMM LEATHER.

Septimus! Septimus must be fairly old, although I find it a little difficult to gauge whether his skin is more roughly textured than an average turian's due to the lighting conditions he's found in. Likewise, Lorik Qui'in explicitly calls himself an 'old turian', but he doesn't appear especially rough and cracked as turians like Gavorn or Kuril.

Obviously, there is a difference in the quality of textures between the game that likely accounts for the difference. I'm curious to see if turians returning in ME3 from the first game might not 'age' a little with new textures applied. It's however worth considering that as a business manager/possible tech guy, Lorik's hide has not subject to the same kind of work-related abuses as Gavorn or Kuril's (outside of his mandatory military service some years ago).

Although, regardless of texture, Lorik is the smoothest turian.

This brings another point to mind - the codex says that humans in MEverse have a life expectancy of ~150 and maybe more as medical technology develops. Turians are noted to have roughly the same. So, how old is an 'old' turian? I'm thinking that you wouldn't be 'middle age' for at least several decades past what we would consider middle age. I often wonder if a lot of the characters that seem 'middle-ageish' in appearance might not be stealth octogenarians, nonagenarians, or centanarians...

[BubbleSauce]

Lady Olivia wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...
I also like olivia's theory on smooth-skin being younger than those with more cracked, scarred carapaces as we see in Kuril (and to a lesser extent, Gavorn as well, If my memory serves).

Oi! Don't ruin Gavorn for me, they're probably just scars from battle, I doubt that he's that old, he seems fairly open minded, if you ask me... 

I have the feeling you're thinking of a certain award-winning fic. If so... how does anything in it depend on his age? How old do you think a person needs to be in order to become close-minded?  

Actually... I'm not entirely sure I want to know, lol.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about, I was refering to his video in the shadow brookers archives, get it now? 

I think we pretty much mean the same thing, only in different... amounts.

Warning: Slash, NSFW
Dreams of Illium

Ok, I'll give that a read, I wasn't referring directly to that the fact that he is homosexual (or at least the fact that it is heavily implied that he is) it's more the fact that it's heavily implied that he had sex with a human male, considering the average lifespan of a turian is similar to that of the average lifespan of a human (150 years or so) for turian to show whatever it's equivalent of wrinkles is, (for the sake of argument we'll say it's the "cracks" in the carapace that we are discussing now) it would have to be somewhere above what would be considered "middle aged" (even then I suppose it would depend on the turian) so if we say middle aged is about 75 years old, and the add say another 10 years for the ageing to really kick in, he'd have to be about 85 years old, considering the first contact war was in 2157 and the events of mass effect 2 take place in 2185 that means he would have had to have been born years before the first contact war, so it is possible that there would be lingering prejudice, although I suppose a fetish is a fetish, maybe he's just a xenophile... A really old one... 

All of this is purely speculatory by the way; I really am just making estimates.

That and I just think it makes more sense that he would be younger, I prefer him that way.   

[Lady Olivia]

Maybe he has some skin condition. Or maybe he just had a rough life. Or lived in a very polluted place for a long time. Some people just grow old faster than the others for no apparent reason.

Even if he's 85, with the life expectancy of 150, he's middle-aged, not 'really old.'

But to borrow D. Gaider's favorite defense, if you prefer to believe he's young, you're perfectly free to do so.

[Skits]

Not to mention Gavorn lives on Omega AND hunts vorcha - that's bound to age anyone prematurely. XD

Blargh, have a speedpaint. I don't even know who this guy IS. I was just doodling around before going to bed, trying to remind myself that I don't have to be pedantic when painting, when this guy just saunters up and is all "Hey. Hey, you. Yeah. I'm friggin' awesome. Draw me." I asked him who the hell he was, he said it didn't matter. He also informed me that he was doing me the kindness of totally posing naked. I told him quite firmly I wasn't drawing a full-body pose, he just shrugged and said that was fine, he just wanted a reason to not get dressed today. What the hell. Then he asked if I was drawing him yet. Bloody tosser.



My headspace worries me sometimes.

And with that out of the way, I'm now finally dragging myself off to bed. Bloody insistent turians.

Modifié par Skits, 01 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[Obsydian]

I love both that picture and the narration for it.

[Skits]

Thanks, Obsy! I had fun with it all, hehe. But that bloody turian is still a damn tosser. XD

Ahaha wow. I'm out and away from the computer all day... come back and there's nothing going on in here. Life ate everyone, aye? o_o

[BubbleSauce]

Nope, There just hasn't really been any prompts for discussion, but way hay! After a day someone finally posted.

Happy turian is happy!

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 02 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[Chewin]

I can't remember when last it was this quiet here....


Sooooo I'll just spam some pics

Modifié par Chewin3, 02 août 2011 - 08:50 .

[GarrusV4karian]

I have a thought. Has anyone ever wondered what Garrus was thinking during the mission when you had to recruit Archangel? I mean, was he thinking "Hey, it's Shepard! Hurray!" or something more emotional?

[Chewin]

Well I think it's mostly up to you what he thinks. Joy, relief, regret, etc.

I actually remember someone on deviantart making a comic out of this. I'll post it here if I find it. And while you're waiting, here's a guitar garrus for you:

Modifié par Chewin3, 02 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[GarrusV4karian]

Take you're time. I could watch that gif the whooole day.