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[Leonia]

When Shepard died and the Council tried to cover up the Reaper menace, all logic went out the window. What was the point in standing around waiting for the Reapers to invade and take out the galaxy? Besides, we've seen Garrus be impulsive before regarding the Saleon case. Sometimes you gotta make tough choices to do a little good in the galaxy, especially when it seems all hope is lost.

As for three gangs teaming up against him? It's a testament to his resourcefulness and skill, his team managed to ****** all 3 gangs off and he had only been fighting for a day on his own. That may seem unrealistic, sure, but that's what happened.. a lot of the things Shepard achieved in ME1 seemed unrealistic, as well, and Shepard was his mentor. It shows just how much he learned from Shepard, how to assemble a team, how to strike back at the bad guys..

I don't see it as childish so much as overly idealistic, but given the example he was following that's not hard to understand at all.

Ah, yes. "Top of the Page":

Modifié par leonia42, 01 septembre 2011 - 09:04 .

[BubbleSauce]

Chewin3 wrote...

Bubble, what part here are you not understanding? Garrus was lost. Of course him going to Omega was just wrong and stupid, but he thought that was the right thing to do. He thought it was better than staying in C-Sec, which felt like standing still. He's clearly a man of action and he was never probably any good at being in C-Sec, with paper work and all.

Wait you agree with me?

fygfryugwruolgwdy

Sorry, that was just me breaking my keyboard with my face.

What do you mean what part am I not understanding? I made that statement that I think garrus can be childish and idealistic sometimes, that in turn, lead to the disscussion of what brought him to omega, I dimissed the claims that the councils unwillingness to act lead him there, or that shepards death directly lead him there. (notice the word directly) As a result, the only other option I can see, is that garrus can, in fact, be brash and idealistic sometimes, and that going to omega was stupid, according to the line I underlined, you agree with me.

So what are you arguing exactly? I made a statement, judging by your responses, I thought you disagreed, so I, in turn responded back so that I could back up my claims, It would appear now that you don't disagree. So here we've come to a conclusion, garrus was naive, lost even, and going to omega and killing bad guys was foolish.

I'm not misunderstanding anything, I've been quite clear as to where I stand throughout this entire conversation. 

[TNT1991]

Wow. Over 1000 pages since I was last on here. What did I miss?  (Just kidding. Don't answer that.)

I'm not sure if anyone else pointed this out in the earlier posts/pages but...Garrus's armor...



...is happy to see you!        

And I took a look at the last couple of pages and well...I'm staying out of it. 

Modifié par TNT1991, 01 septembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[Sialater]

Wait till you see his ME3 armor. It's even happier to see you.

[TNT1991]

I hope so 'cause hs armor went from:
= Before being blown up by missile   

= After being blown up by missile

Modifié par TNT1991, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:14 .

[Sialater]

Go to Page 69 of the ME3 thread. It's the ToP.

And the humor of that page number is not lost on me.

[TNT1991]

I just went there and...omg! I feel naughty/dirty for looking at it...but...I can't stop staring at it (and laughing at it).  XD 
I'm just sad I didn't know about that picture sooner. 
 

[UrsulaCousland]

Sialater wrote...

Go to Page 69 of the ME3 thread. It's the ToP.

And the humor of that page number is not lost on me.

Yeah, saw that. (I've started lurking that too.) THere's more stuff on 73...

[UrsulaCousland]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Collider wrote...

I'll also add "you're the best thing to ever happen to me" etc as another possible way. Basically because Garrus' life has recently been nightmarish - you know the whole "just one thing go right" thing. Also, I'm sure fighting alongside someone as capable as Shepard, righting wrongs, getting things done right, knowing the big picture, and saving the galaxy is a one in a lifetime thing.

That would be perfect for Garrus.  I like that.

*Usual disclaimer - I know this is old but...*

I agree with this 100%. With some pairings, the actions-speaking-louder-than-words thing works brilliantly, and I think Garrus's romance is one of them. (Or, as someone else back in that part of the thread suggested, something like "I'll always be there for you..." would work too. I just think ILU isn't needed here, and unless they do it perfectly, I'd rather it was an actions-speak-louder-than-words or alternate phrase type expression.

** Warning, DA2 spoilers - please scroll if you care about that... **

I know I certainly like it for the Fenris romance as well. Fenris never comes out and says it, even if you Friendmance him, but if you romance him successfully, his actions (helpfully assisted by Gideon Emery's amazing voice acting) render it completely unnecessary. And his admission that "Meeting you was the most important thing that ever happened to me, Hawke" is a heart-melter, IMO.

** End potential DA2 spoiler **

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[Obsydian]

http://social.biowar...89/polls/22631/

Garrus is losing to Miranda. we need to stop this madness!

Modifié par Obsydian, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[BubbleSauce]

Heh, obsy, that's my wallpaper XD

[Obsydian]

lol, sorry! found it at random on a google-fu. its awesome!

[BubbleSauce]

Obsydian wrote...

lol, sorry! found it at random on a google-fu. its awesome!

Oh don't worry, that's how I found it to! 

[dannybates]

Here's some more backgrounds that are similar.

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Modifié par dannybates, 04 septembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[BubbleSauce]

Hm, I thought the joke was that you were upset that garrus didn't want to talk to you, and that it was the type of representation where a broken mirror represents a a broken heart, like in, oh... Just about every anime under the sun.

It works for calibrations but the rest just seem to be words written on a background of broken glass.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think Garrus needs to calibrate all of these poll results in his favour.

[Lymle Lemuri]

Obsydian wrote...

http://social.biowar...89/polls/22631/

Garrus is losing to Miranda. we need to stop this madness!

You know those Miranda Fanboys ****** to those teeth on a daily basis.

For what its worth Garrus is leading out of the males. We all know he would wipe the floor with Kaiden.

[Obsydian]

not necessarily. there are a lot of rabid Kaidan fangirls.

.... i like Kaidan though, so either way.

[Lady Olivia]

Hey, Garrus thread! Haven't been around in a looooong while.

Sialater, nice to see you discussing. You're usually a one-line tired-wise-woman sort of poster.

Ursula, welcome! I like your posts. Post more? Do you seriously intend to read all 1000+ pages? Talk about quixotic.

Errr... I'm gonna be a bad Olivia and post my thoughts about why Garrus went to Omega even though I just skimmed through the posts and don't even know if that's the subject of the conversation, lol.

When Garrus was young, he wanted to be a Spectre. Why? Because they make things happen. He had a chance, but his father smothered it. He must have hated both the Citadel and his C-Sec work; why else would he latch on to Shepard so quickly in ME? He had nothing personal against Saren; he just wanted to be effectual.

Working with Shepard introduced him to the life he always wanted to live. The life of a Spectre. Losing Shepard - losing the life - was like dying a little death. Back to training? At 30? Back to C-Sec, after seeing what it meant to really make things move?

Nah. He'd rather do things on his own, just as long as he is able to actually do things. Live the life again. Somehow. The reason he set out against the windmills is that he simply couldn't sit on his hands anymore.

Methinks.

Also, sorry if all of that has been said already.

When you say, suicide by mercs, do you mean, suicide as the initial reason to go to Omega, or the reaction to the betrayal and failure (the loss of his men)?

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 05 septembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[BubbleSauce]

Lady Olivia wrote...

When Garrus was young, he wanted to be a Spectre. Why? Because they make things happen. He had a chance, but his father smothered it. He must have hated both the Citadel and his C-Sec work; why else would he latch on to Shepard so quickly in ME? He had nothing personal against Saren; he just wanted to be effectual.

Working with Shepard introduced him to the life he always wanted to live. The life of a Spectre. Losing Shepard - losing the life - was like dying a little death. Back to training? At 30? Back to C-Sec, after seeing what it meant to really make things move?

Nah. He'd rather do things on his own, just as long as he is able to actually do things. Live the life again. Somehow. The reason he set out against the windmills is that he simply couldn't sit on his hands anymore.

That's more or less absolutely correct, however, It kind of makes me wonder why he didn't just apply to become a spectre again, maybe I'm missing something but there didn't really seem to be anything hindering him from doing so after mass effect 1

Lady Olivia wrote...

Errr... I'm gonna be a bad Olivia and post my thoughts about why Garrus went to Omega even though I just skimmed through the posts and don't even know if that's the subject of the conversation, lol.

You're going to be a bad olivia? Does that mean there is more than one lady olivia? Each with it's own personality and traits?!? 

Do you have an army of underlings that you send to thieve and conspire and do your bidding?!?

AN ARMY OF OLIVIAS?!?

Or maybe it was just a typo. I just watched the dark crystal and I'm in a high fantasy kind of mood...

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Lady Olivia wrote...

Hey, Garrus thread! Haven't been around in a looooong while.

Sialater, nice to see you discussing. You're usually a one-line tired-wise-woman sort of poster.

Ursula, welcome! I like your posts. Post more? Do you seriously intend to read all 1000+ pages? Talk about quixotic.

Aw, thanks!  I feel like I'm coming very late to the Garrus party, although I could look at it as I'm getting here *really* early for the ME3 Garrus party. Who knows.  I'm on about page 360 now. classes resume at uni this week, so my odds of actually getting through the whole thread are pretty low. (Couple that with my work-in-progress FenFic and the urge to write some Mass Effect fic and...yeah. Oh well, what can I say? I like lost/long-shot causes too.)

I just don't want to bring up something that's been discussed a thousand times already, although maybe I should take a page from the Fenris thread - newbies bring new perspectives to old topics and makes it fun to revisit them.

Lady Olivia wrote...

Errr... I'm gonna be a bad Olivia and post my thoughts about why Garrus went to Omega even though I just skimmed through the posts and don't even know if that's the subject of the conversation, lol.

When Garrus was young, he wanted to be a Spectre. Why? Because they make things happen. He had a chance, but his father smothered it. He must have hated both the Citadel and his C-Sec work; why else would he latch on to Shepard so quickly in ME? He had nothing personal against Saren; he just wanted to be effectual.

Working with Shepard introduced him to the life he always wanted to live. The life of a Spectre. Losing Shepard - losing the life - was like dying a little death. Back to training? At 30? Back to C-Sec, after seeing what it meant to really make things move?

Nah. He'd rather do things on his own, just as long as he is able to actually do things. Live the life again. Somehow. The reason he set out against the windmills is that he simply couldn't sit on his hands anymore.

Methinks.

Also, sorry if all of that has been said already.

When you say, suicide by mercs, do you mean, suicide as the initial reason to go to Omega, or the reaction to the betrayal and failure (the loss of his men)?

I think that's a good description of how Shepard ends up being a mentor to Garrus in the first place. She's a lot of what he aspires to be. It makes sense.

As far as suicide-by-merc goes, I'm not sure.  I don't think that was a conscious decision, but it definitely looks inevitable by the time Shepard and Co. show up. (This whole question makes me want to throw together a few chapters of ME fic...arrrgh! ) I think Garrus is determined to take as many with him as he can, but I don't think it's a deliberate 'suicide by merc' plan. He just isn't grim enough for this to be the case when Shepard shows up. Yes, he's exhausted, hurting, and has probably already figured he was going to die here, but IMO if he really didn't care about his own life any more, I can't see him getting more enthusiastic when he points out that with Shepard's squad, their odds are good of surviving that mess. 

Now, whether that's because of any existing relationship with Shepard, a desire to live long enough to take revenge on Sidonis, or some other motivation is up to interpretation, at least IMO. I definitely think his prior relationshp with Shepard has something to do with that sudden second wind of enthusiasm he gets.

Must...write...FenFic...first...*brain nearly explodes*

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:16 .

[Lady Olivia]

BubbleSauce wrote...

That's more or less absolutely correct, however, It kind of makes me wonder why he didn't just apply to become a spectre again, maybe I'm missing something but there didn't really seem to be anything hindering him from doing so after mass effect 1

Yeah, you're missing a piece of ingame conversation. If you renegade him in ME, in ME2 he tells you he reapplied for Spectre training (instead of going back to C-Sec if you paragoned him). Can't remember what went wrong with that, but reapplying was what I meant by "going back to training at 30."

BubbleSauce wrote...

AN ARMY OF OLIVIAS?!?

Afraid not. It was just a [misplaced?] turn of phrase.

[BubbleSauce]

Lady Olivia wrote...


Yeah, you're missing a piece of ingame conversation. If you renegade him in ME, in ME2 he tells you he reapplied for Spectre training (instead of going back to C-Sec if you paragoned him). Can't remember what went wrong with that, but reapplying was what I meant by "going back to training at 30."

Yes I know, I was just wondering if it was ever revealed as to why it didn't work out, I suppose it just hasn't been.

Lady Olivia wrote...

Afraid not. It was just a [misplaced?] turn of phrase.

*sigh* well yes, I suppose it was too good to be true... 

[Lady Olivia]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

I just don't want to bring up something that's been discussed a thousand times already, although maybe I should take a page from the Fenris thread - newbies bring new perspectives to old topics and makes it fun to revisit them.

Oh dear. Don't worry about bringing old things up. It's not like there's all that much to talk about anyway, so... just go ahead and bring up whatever interests you. Nobody's going to roll their eyes, I think. We be nice folks here, if a bit loud.

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[Lady Olivia]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...
Yeah, you're missing a piece of ingame conversation. If you renegade him in ME, in ME2 he tells you he reapplied for Spectre training (instead of going back to C-Sec if you paragoned him). Can't remember what went wrong with that, but reapplying was what I meant by "going back to training at 30."

Yes I know, I was just wondering if it was ever revealed as to why it didn't work out, I suppose it just hasn't been.

Ah. Sorry for lecturing. And, come on, people; somebody's gotta remember what he said about reapplication. He must have said something. Tried to find it on youtube and failed.