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[Seleya_LL]

Karrie788 wrote...
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DA2 could have been an excellent game, but I like ME3 better, to be honest. I can stomach a lot of things in ME3, and despite *loving* some aspects of DA2, I can't say I enjoy playing it overall (the crazy Anders romance and Varric being his awesome self helped me through it). It's frustrating to see how excellent the game could have been when you scratch the surface a little bit (yep, a bit like ME3). The DLCs were good.
Though I agree on the friendship/rivalry system. It was awesome to be able to play a romance two different ways. And oddly enough, I loved the ending, bittersweet as it was.

Seems like Bioware makes a habit out of it, lately - 95% brilliance and 5% "arrrrgh" for any game after ME2. With some variance in the numbers dependent on the game, of course.
The friendship/rivalry system is a good idea, yes. Until now, I have read enough spoilers to say that with some confidence. Just out of interest: Did you do the friendship or rival romance with Anders?

@Sable Rhapsody: With ME3, I had never the feeling that I had to "stomach" anything - until I reached the original ending. I liked the characters, I liked the universe, and over the course of two games I had come to "identify" with my Shepards. That feeling of immersion, if that's the right word, was a wonderful experience. Granted, I was lucky enough to pick the "right" romance option for my canon Shepard, otherwise I would have been cursing way before the end.
For the DA universe, it's different for me. I would have liked to kick Wardens, Templars, everything related to the Chantry and some individuals (Alistair is a good example) somewhere where it hurts after playing DA:O for several times. Simple mistake I made; I just had to see all the origins and started to think about things like Warden logic during the third or fourth playthrough. So there's no special nostalgia for the universe from my side, no special love for the recurring characters, and no identification with Hawke since it's the first game with him / her.
Plus, I see no match for my "main" character. And that's really something worth mentioning, given all the options - and her history, since incarnations of her already tolerated Anomen or Carth

I'll follow your advice and play the demo some day. And when DA3 is there, I can still see if the general story goes somewhere I wish to follow. Until then, I'll probably avoid the game, since ME3 was enough of an emotinal up and down (emphasis on the second for the ending) for at least a year.

Edit: ToP. Strengths of ME: universe and characters. You just have to pick the right romance, and a mod.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Karrie788]

You don't like Alistair? BLASPHEMY! Kidding. He annoyed me at times too. (But he's so adoooorable!<3)

I played the friendship romance. I was playing the most insane protagonist I had ever played to this day. And looking at my Bhaalspawns, that's saying a lot.
I feel pretty much the same towards ME3, but I did love DA:O. Some combat sequences bore me to no end and overall I have much more fun playing the ME games, but the universe was fantastic to me. Plus, Oghren. And Zevran. And Morrigan. And Anders! But same as you, I don't replay it a lot. Just thinking I have to go through dungeons such as the Deep Roads... the party's hilarious banters aren't enough to redeem that.

But it's the first game in which a romance option broke my heart, and this time, it was done right (yes, I'm looking at you, Jacob).

Modifié par Karrie788, 02 décembre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Seleya_LL]

Karrie788 wrote...

You don't like Alistair? BLASPHEMY! Kidding. He annoyed me at times too. (But he's so adoooorable!<3)

I played the friendship romance. I was playing the most insane protagonist I had ever played to this day. And looking at my Bhaalspawns, that's saying a lot.
I feel pretty much the same towards ME3, but I did love DA:O. Some combat sequences bore me to no end and overall I have much more fun playing the ME games, but the universe was fantastic to me. Plus, Oghren. And Zevran. And Morrigan. And Anders! But same as you, I don't replay it a lot. Just thinking I have to go through dungeons such as the Deep Roads... the party's hilarious banters isn't enough to redeem that.

But it's the first game in which a romance option broke my heart, and this time, it was done right (yes, I'm looking at you, Jacob).

My first Warden romanced Alistair. Elven mage, diplomatic, friendly, firmly believing that it's good to be good... the usual blue-glowing paragon. I hadn't read the relevant spoilers at that time, but I was lucky enough not to make Alistair king. And I asked Alistair to duel Loghain. That playthrough felt "right". Good. Satisfying. I also enjoyed Zevran's romance (with a Dalish warrior whose two-hand sword was larger than herself) and Morrigan's and Leliana's. Thinking back, yes, perhaps frustration overshadowed the brighter sides.
That point of frustration came with my 'harder' paragon, still basically a diplomat, but somebody who would also threaten or manipulate if she felt that the goal justified it. Human noble, charming, charismatic, ruled with Alistair at the end. The mistake was duelling Loghain herself (after that Howe incident, it felt natural) and seeing Alistair's reaction if you hesistate to kill him. Didn't help that the character that followed chose to spare Loghain while laughing at Alistair who was sulking around in a corner because he had agreed to marry Anora. From then on, it felt like Loghain was one of the most reasonable characters in the whole game, while Alistair was an immature boy with too much responsibility pressed on him. Oh, and Arl Eamon and Duncan... Duncan just felt stupid or a little crazed by the Darkspawn blood, and a little weird, like a priest of a sect with lethal joining rituals. Eamon on the other side - an ungrateful son of a... eh, yes. Didn't like his reaction when asked whether he might consider sparing Jowan, because, well, I had just saved him, his family, his lands etc etc bla bla and whatever.

Just realized I liked DA:O probably more than I thought, otherwise I wouldn't have been that upset over the details. Like, you know, having my personal characters running around with a gruesome death sentence over their head, or better in their blood.

Edit: Funny. Anders' friendship romance would have been the path I had guessed the most 'logical' for my main character. She'll always be the friendly mage-like character, but certainly not insane And that's the problem. My 'later' characters who emerged over the course of BG, KotOR, DA and ME, some of them would have very much fun in DA2. But Shadow - I just can't see her with Fenris (too much conflict) and I don't want to break her heart with Anders. 
And I'll certainly not pay for a DLC where the 'romance' is more of a bad joke.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:57 .

[Karrie788]

I didn't really like my Human Noble playthrough. I got the "happy" ending, ruling with Alistair, but something felt off. I think I was starting to get sick of playing "perfect" characters with flawless looks and charms who kick ass at everything they do. She litterally had no flaws. It got old fast.
There's also probably the fact that my best friend had run off with my husband's baby. You know.
My human mage was great, one of the roleplays I've enjoyed the most: I killed her off at the end but it felt right, made complete sense for her character. My favourite was my city elf rogue though. She ran off with Zevran (until DA2 that is) after having her heart broken by Alistair.

Seleya_LL wrote...

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And I'll certainly not pay for a DLC where the 'romance' is more of a bad joke.

Awakening?

On topic, Nyreen Garrus is still awesome. I'm desperately trying to stay off Mass Effect for a while, good thing BG:EE is there.

[Seleya_LL]

Karrie788 wrote...
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There's also probably the fact that my best friend had run off with my husband's baby. You know.
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On topic, Nyreen Garrus is still awesome. I'm desperately trying to stay off Mass Effect for a while, good thing BG:EE is there.

Ah, yes. Seems I blocked that memory successfully... And yeah, I get what you mean with the Human Noble playthrough. I am probably more tolerant (read "addicted to") about happy endings than you, which means that I didn't have the heart to sacrifice my main characters, but characters without at least some flaws, strange habits or whatever aren't really characters to me, but two-dimensional ideals that make not much fun roleplaying-wise. In hindsight, I had the most fun with the prejudiced Dalish (running away with Zev), the grumpy Common Dwarf (running away with Leliana) and a bad-mooded Noble who chased Morrigan through the wild (never bought the "ending DLC" for them). Probably no coincidence that those were the characters least affected by the "Morrigan's Baby"-problem, and they were either tainted anyway, not expecting much of life in general or relying on the magic of his girlfriend to solve the blood problem.

I meant the "Exiled Prince" for DA2, not Awakening. From what I remember, there's no real romance content in Awakening, unless you count the "farewell kiss" Alistair can give his queen.

Garrus is indeed awesome. I am slowly starting to blame him that I see more and more weak points in any other romance of any other game I have ever played. Damned rebellious character, damned on-the-spot comments, damned voice, and damned blue eyes.

[Karrie788]

I'm one of the few who thinks Harry should have died at the end of Harry Potter for narrative sense, so yeah, I like tragic endings. XD
Yep! Flawed characters FTW. Lynnis (my city elf) was not your average gorgeous woman - I liked her appearance a lot though, she was kinda cute - and she was grumpy, distrustful of humans, and overall not easy to get along with - worse than Lexane actually, because deep down Lexane is really nice. And of course, Lynnis became my favourite.
Never romanced Leliana. Her accent was weird, I couldn't take her seriously; and I never had the patience to finish my male playthroughs in DA, so I never finished the Morrigan romance either. Which is a shame, because she's probably my favourite.

Right. Sebastian. He annoyed me to no end. Although I really like the idea of a completely platonic romance: I just wish it could have happened with a character I didn't want to punch in the face every time he spoke.

YES. This so much. He's spoiled every other romance I've played so far. xD I still like most of them, but Garrus is something else. Besides having three games to develop a relationship with the characters really works in favour of the ME romances (or at least some of them).

Modifié par Karrie788, 02 décembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[Amirit]

Seleya_LL, You HAVE to play DA2 if only for Varric. Do it and you will understand why. Though, the pain of having him un-romacable is big, huge in fact.

Oh, and if part of Garruses charm for you is his voice - I almost guarantee you will love Fenris. Dat voice!

Modifié par Amirit, 02 décembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amirit wrote...
Seleya_LL, You HAVE to play DA2 if only for Varric. Do it and you will understand why. Though, the pain of having him un-romacable is big, huge in fact.  

Varric might not be romanceable, but he is so unbelievably awesome.  And I don't begrudge him his love of Bianca--she is one gorgeous and badass lady.

As for Sebastian, have any of you played with rivalry Seb?  I much prefer rivalry to friendship Seb--he's more worldly, badass, ruthless, and actually grows a bit of a spine.

Seleya_LL wrote...
Garrus is indeed awesome. I am slowly starting to blame him that I see more and more weak points in any other romance of any other game I have ever played. Damned rebellious character, damned on-the-spot comments, damned voice, and damned blue eyes.

Tell me about it.  I'm starting to get to the point where I start going, "Eh, but you're not as badass as Garrus!  Or as funny as Garrus! Or..." and down the list I go whenever I bump into a new LI.  This stupid turian has utterly ruined me.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Karrie788]

I've youtubed his rivalry romance. I still dislike him. Sorry.
And yeah, Varric is unbelievably awesome. I also like Aveline. And Isabela (I just can't take her outfit seriously: I find it awesome that she's completely comfortable with her sexuality, but I don't see myself rushing into battle half-naked - I could say the same thing about some ME women, actually). And Anders, in a weird love/hate sort of way.

Fenris was nice, but his voice didn't do anything for me. On the other hand, him pushing Hawke up against the wall certainly did.

I thought Alistair had ruined me. I never expected Garrus to take his place. Alistair has become too... romantic for my tastes.

Modifié par Karrie788, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Karrie788 wrote...
I'vw youtubed his rivalry romance. I still dislike him. Sorry.

LOL that's fine.  Carth Onasi is an incredibly popular character among the ladies who have played KOTOR, and I can't stand him 

[Karrie788]

I want to play Mass Effect again. *headdesk* Why, brain, whyyy.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LOL that's fine.  Carth Onasi is an incredibly popular character among the ladies who have played KOTOR, and I can't stand him 

LOL I can't stand his syndrome. I like him just fine, I'm tired of guys with 18-year-old sons (same with Thane). Especially since I was something like 14 when I first played the game.

Modifié par Karrie788, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Seleya_LL]

Amirit wrote...

Seleya_LL, You HAVE to play DA2 if only for Varric. Do it and you will understand why. Though, the pain of having him un-romacable is big, huge in fact.

Oh, and if part of Garruses charm for you is his voice - I almost guarantee you will love Fenris. Dat voice!

If Varric was a romance option, I'd have bought the game and romanced him with my main character 
I mean, I only know some quotes and spoilers, but that's enough to be very sure that he's great.

Carth... I still feel very sorry for the poor light-side incarnation of my main character who romanced him. Dozens of issues, leaves her hanging when she needs support most (and when all other NPCs support her) and has the nerve to be patronizing at the end. Okay, the last may be a translation issue and / or a voice actor thing, but imagining Carth with Kaidan's (English) voice doesn't make it better. I liked Jolie and Juhani way too much to play the dark side ending, otherwise Carth would have been a good excuse (roleplaying-wise) to do so.

Edit: Whoa, and his son, yes. "Syndrome" is the right word. I just wonder why Bioware believes that's what players want. Don't get me wrong, I see why people like Thane, and I can also imagine players liking Carth, but I can't imagine that the reason for doing so is adoring either of them for being such a great parent, or for solving the "problem" in such a great way.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

I'm going to jump in here and say that I too have been ruined by Garrus. He's just too badass for his own good.

I used to be a devout Alistair lover but after I spared Loghain and read the books it's become impossible for me to execute him. I even headcanoned my Human Noble hooking up with him. Actually my three favorite playthroughs end up with a character that can't be romanced, go figure.

Speaking of badass Garrus I'll finally be able to finish the first ME game! I'm a PS3 player so I'm super excited!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Speaking of badass Garrus I'll finally be able to finish the first ME game! I'm a PS3 player so I'm super excited!

Yay!  ME1's a great game...though fair warning, the gameplay can be pretty excruciating if you're used to ME2/3's much smoother shooting.  Tech in particular is underpowered in ME1--just roll a biotic and watch the overpowered space mage do its thing 

Karrie788 wrote...
LOL I can't stand his syndrome. I like him just fine, I'm tired of guys with 18-year-old sons (same with Thane). Especially since I was something like 14 when I first played the game.

I was 17 when I first played KOTOR, so I totally get where you're coming from.  Carth's son was my age  No gamer, no matter how avid of a roleplayer, can completely divorce the PC from the player.  Romancing characters in their late thirties gave me the serious skeevies.

It's a little better now that I'm in my twenties, but it can still be pretty creepy, particularly if the NPC in question acts paternal.  NWN2's Casavir was the worst.  I was constantly shouting "STRANGER DANGER!  STRANGER DANGER!" at my screen.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Speaking of badass Garrus I'll finally be able to finish the first ME game! I'm a PS3 player so I'm super excited!

Yay!  ME1's a great game...though fair warning, the gameplay can be pretty excruciating if you're used to ME2/3's much smoother shooting.  Tech in particular is underpowered in ME1--just roll a biotic and watch the overpowered space mage do its thing 

Karrie788 wrote...
LOL I can't stand his syndrome. I like him just fine, I'm tired of guys with 18-year-old sons (same with Thane). Especially since I was something like 14 when I first played the game.

I was 17 when I first played KOTOR, so I totally get where you're coming from.  Carth's son was my age  No gamer, no matter how avid of a roleplayer, can completely divorce the PC from the player.  Romancing characters in their late thirties gave me the serious skeevies.

It's a little better now that I'm in my twenties, but it can still be pretty creepy, particularly if the NPC in question acts paternal.  NWN2's Casavir was the worst.  I was constantly shouting "STRANGER DANGER!  STRANGER DANGER!" at my screen.  

I play biotics anyway so no problems there. I imagine it will be similar to starting with DA2 to then playing Origins. I've mentally prepared myself for the change.

And yeah I know what you mean about older parent figures and the poor young PC. One of the reasons I can't romance Thane. The weird thing is I'm totally cool with Loghain, not sure why either.

[Karrie788]

@Deviant: That's great!!! ME1 is still my favourite game in terms of atmosphere. It has a wonderful sci-fi feeling... but yeah, er... shooting gets boring. :3

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I was 17 when I first played KOTOR, so I totally get where you're coming from.  Carth's son was my age  No gamer, no matter how avid of a roleplayer, can completely divorce the PC from the player.  Romancing characters in their late thirties gave me the serious skeevies.

It's a little better now that I'm in my twenties, but it can still be pretty creepy, particularly if the NPC in question acts paternal.  NWN2's Casavir was the worst.  I was constantly shouting "STRANGER DANGER!  STRANGER DANGER!" at my screen.  

Yeah I had trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that he was something like 38. 22 was already old for me back then!

Never played NWN2, but I heard a lot of bad things about Casavir.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Karrie788 wrote...
Never played NWN2, but I heard a lot of bad things about Casavir.

It's an Obsidian game, so it can be buggy and clunky as all hell.  Not to mention the Electron engine's conversion of 3.5e D&D leaves...a lot to be desired.  Act 1 drags, but from then on, it's pretty awesome.

But if you really want a trainwreck to rival Anders, forget Casavir.  Download the romance mod extension for NWN2 and get your flirt on with Bishop 

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
And yeah I know what you mean about older parent figures and the poor young PC. One of the reasons I can't romance Thane. The weird thing is I'm totally cool with Loghain, not sure why either.

I think it depends a lot on how the NPC interacts with the PC.  Carth and Casavir are protective, even paternal.  Romancing them = squick.  A good chunk of Thane's character arc involves his deceased wife and estranged son.  Players vary in their abilities to overlook that.

Loghain isn't like that.  He doesn't even like the Warden, and he's sure as hell not about to give her advice after she kicked his ass.  And Anora might be his kid, but you don't interact with her as his daughter, you interact with her as queen.  It's a very different dynamic.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 décembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[Karrie788]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

It's an Obsidian game, so it can be buggy and clunky as all hell.  Not to mention the Electron engine's conversion of 3.5e D&D leaves...a lot to be desired.  Act 1 drags, but from then on, it's pretty awesome.

But if you really want a trainwreck to rival Anders, forget Casavir.  Download the romance mod extension for NWN2 and get your flirt on with Bishop 

Hey, Obsidian kicks as*! Ok, their games are bugged as hell. I blame the editors who keep giving them impossible deadlines to polish a game.

Who's Bishop? 

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I think it depends a lot on how the NPC interacts with the PC.  Carth and Casavir are protective, even paternal.  Romancing them = squick.  A good chunk of Thane's character arc involves his deceased wife and estranged son.  Players vary in their abilities to overlook that.

Loghain isn't like that.  He doesn't even like the Warden, and he's sure as hell not about to give her advice after she kicked his ass.  And Anora might be his kid, but you don't interact with her as his daughter, you interact with her as queen.  It's a very different dynamic.

Yeah, I'm put off by too much protectiveness as well. Garrus shows protectiveness *once* in the game, when he says "nobody better hurt you is all I'm saying" after a particularly stressful mission. It was daaaw-worthy; same thing with the "I love you" line, I didn't need to hear it, but once in a while, it's really nice.
Constantly having a male LI behind my PC's back to tell her how much he wants to protect her gets tiresome. I mean Carth is cute but I'm a freaking Jedi, I don't need him to watch over me. Bastila's constant lectures were enough.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Karrie788 wrote...
Hey, Obsidian kicks as*! Ok, their games are bugged as hell. I blame the editors who keep giving them impossible deadlines to polish a game.

Who's Bishop? 

Oh don't get me wrong, I love Obsidian games too.  I just wait a few months for them to get the first major patch (and subsequent string of hotfixes) before playing.

As for Bishop...he's a Chaotic Evil human ranger who helps out the PC during the beginning of the main plot for murky reasons.  He's also the original trainwreck boyfriend 

In-game bio: "With his perpetual shadow of facial hair and rugged physique, Bishop is rather handsome even if his demeanor is thoroughly unwelcoming. Late into his twenties, this veteran of the wilderness has scars and burns across his skin. Constantly on the look out, sniffing the air and checking what’s behind him, Bishop’s hands are always on his weapons. Every time you look over to Bishop, he’s looking right back at you."

Bishop vs. Casavir banter

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Karrie788]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Oh don't get me wrong, I love Obsidian games too.  I just wait a few months for them to get the first major patch (and subsequent string of hotfixes) before playing.

As for Bishop...he's a Chaotic Evil human ranger who helps out the PC during the beginning of the main plot for murky reasons.  He's also the original trainwreck boyfriend 

In-game bio: "With his perpetual shadow of facial hair and rugged physique, Bishop is rather handsome even if his demeanor is thoroughly unwelcoming. Late into his twenties, this veteran of the wilderness has scars and burns across his skin. Constantly on the look out, sniffing the air and checking what’s behind him, Bishop’s hands are always on his weapons. Every time you look over to Bishop, he’s looking right back at you."

Bishop vs. Casavir banter

Wise move. Although I couldn't keep my hands off Fallout: New Vegas when it came out. Fallout is just that awesome (except the third one).

Ooooh. <3

He doesn't sound chaotic evil when he's talking about the PC. "Let her make her own decisions"? Yeah, I like that.

[giftfish]

Hey folks--

Just wanted to pop in here and let you know that Karrie788 wrote a fantastic Character Spotlight for Garrus on the Romance DLC blog Just click the link in my sig!

[coldwetn0se]

@giftfish beat me to the punch...lol. Anyway....yes! Go read, and enjoy. Great job, Karrie.

Oh, and I thought I would chime in a little on your "age" discussion. I think the age of the characters, in relation to your own age, CAN have an impact when choosing LI's. And it can go in either direction. I was 40 yrs old the first time I played DAO, and I very much crushed on Alistair, but I was always feeling slightly "cougar-ish". It did help that my wardens looked young, and the Origin stories for them confirmed their general age. This made RPing them (and choosing certain romances) easier. Eventually I tried Zevran out, and because he is viewed as older (and I completely fell for the pervy little elf), I began choosing him more often.

As for ME, I love the fact that our choices are so varied (species wise, personality wise, background, and age). So you can probably guess I had no issue with Thane's age or the fact that he had an 18 yr old son. I don't really have an issue rping with any of the characters, but those little bits of ourselves that we add to all of our Shepards, Wardens, Hawkes, ect, do sometimes influence us to act or react to certain characters in certain ways.

Anyway, it was an interesting insight, so I thought I would add my .02. Have a great day, Garrus lovers!

[Deviant Ingredient]

[quote]Deviant Ingredient wrote...
And yeah I know what you mean about older parent figures and the poor young PC. One of the reasons I can't romance Thane. The weird thing is I'm totally cool with Loghain, not sure why either.
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I think it depends a lot on how the NPC interacts with the PC.  Carth and Casavir are protective, even paternal.  Romancing them = squick.  A good chunk of Thane's character arc involves his deceased wife and estranged son.  Players vary in their abilities to overlook that.

Loghain isn't like that.  He doesn't even like the Warden, and he's sure as hell not about to give her advice after she kicked his ass.  And Anora might be his kid, but you don't interact with her as his daughter, you interact with her as queen.  It's a very different dynamic.

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This is very true and I do see Anora as queen more than I see her as his daughter, though her stories about him always make me go 'aww'. Getting his approval at 100% is nightmarish, btw.

I love Thane as character and I always imagine my Shepard relying on him for good conversations and as a stable friend. I also think another reason I can't romance him is he's pretty much done growing in life experiences whereas Garrus I think grows with Shepard, if that makes sense.

[coldwetn0se]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
And yeah I know what you mean about older parent figures and the poor young PC. One of the reasons I can't romance Thane. The weird thing is I'm totally cool with Loghain, not sure why either.

I think it depends a lot on how the NPC interacts with the PC.  Carth and Casavir are protective, even paternal.  Romancing them = squick.  A good chunk of Thane's character arc involves his deceased wife and estranged son.  Players vary in their abilities to overlook that.

Loghain isn't like that.  He doesn't even like the Warden, and he's sure as hell not about to give her advice after she kicked his ass.  And Anora might be his kid, but you don't interact with her as his daughter, you interact with her as queen.  It's a very different dynamic.

This is very true and I do see Anora as queen more than I see her as his daughter, though her stories about him always make me go 'aww'. Getting his approval at 100% is nightmarish, btw.

I love Thane as character and I always imagine my Shepard relying on him for good conversations and as a stable friend. I also think another reason I can't romance him is he's pretty much done growing in life experiences whereas Garrus I think grows with Shepard, if that makes sense.

I can understand your perspective on Garrus "growing" with Shepard, but I wouldn't assume that a person is done "growing" once they reach 40.  I may believe I have a clearer sense of myself at 43, but I still find myself growing, learning, hell....even changing my mind from time to time.  So I guess, I could easily see Thane or any character over a certain age, still capable of growth.  It's just nice we have so many different choices, eh?

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Modifié par coldwetn0se, 04 décembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Karrie788]

giftfish wrote...

Hey folks--

Just wanted to pop in here and let you know that Karrie788 wrote a fantastic Character Spotlight for Garrus on the Romance DLC blog Just click the link in my sig!

Thanks and anytime.