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[Nilfalasiel]

I've actually wondered about the possibility of ressucitated Shep being fertile at all. I mean, she was little more than a mangled piece of meat when they recovered her body...it could have done irreparable damage as far as fertility was concerned. Then again, the way they were going on about how they wanted to bring her back fully functional and exactly as she was before...who knows? Maybe future technology is awesome enough to restore hormonal cycles too.

But yeah, interspecies children are not possible, even between two levo species like humans and krogan. The DNA builds are just too radically different (krogan duplicate organs come to mind).

You can cross-breed some animal species, but those have to be close enough in their genetic makeup (eg. a tiger and a lion, or a horse and a donkey), and the resulting offspring would be sterile anyway. So between species that are as different as the ME-verse species? Yeah, not happening. The only ones who can do it are asari, and that's only because they cheat.

But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:20 .

[J4N3_M3]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

super effective, hu? 
I wonder if that also counts for Viagra or so lol

[Sialater]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I've actually wondered about the possibility of ressucitated Shep being fertile at all. I mean, she was little more than a mangled piece of meat when they recovered her body...it could have done irreparable damage as far as fertility was concerned. Then again, the way they were going on about how they wanted to bring her back fully functional and exactly as she was before...who knows? Maybe future technology is awesome enough to restore hormonal cycles too.

But yeah, interspecies children are not possible, even between two levo species like humans and krogan. The DNA builds are just too radically different (krogan duplicate organs come to mind).

You can cross-breed some animal species, but those have to be close enough in their genetic makeup (eg. a tiger and a lion, or a horse and a donkey), and the resulting offspring would be sterile anyway. So between species that are as different as the ME-verse species? Yeah, not happening. The only ones who can do it are asari, and that's only because they cheat.

But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

Mules aren't sterile.  They're just all born one gender. (Male, IIRC)  When the rare female's born, they are fertile with each other.  (Hubby's a biologist, he lectured me on that.) 

[Cerrydd]

battlechantress wrote...

"mutant babies"

Do not want.

[Nilfalasiel]

Sialater wrote...

Mules aren't sterile.  They're just all born one gender. (Male, IIRC)  When the rare female's born, they are fertile with each other.  (Hubby's a biologist, he lectured me on that.) 

According to Wikipedia:

All male mules and most female mules are infertile.

So even fertile female mules are rare. Not inexistent though, so that's my bad.

In fact, just rooted around some more, and it seems that there's an actual rule for fertility in hybrids: the males will always be infertile, due to the fact that their sex chromosomes are different. The females can be fertile though. I stand corrected.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[Sialater]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Mules aren't sterile.  They're just all born one gender. (Male, IIRC)  When the rare female's born, they are fertile with each other.  (Hubby's a biologist, he lectured me on that.) 

According to Wikipedia:

All male mules and most female mules are infertile.

So even fertile female mules are rare. Not inexistent though, so that's my bad.

Ah.  I think they found a fertile one recently so that's what got my hubby's nerd knickers in a twist.

[J4N3_M3]

see, I didn't even know that thing with the mules. why do I think of Ardat Yakshi now? O.O

i don't see why people do call that mutant babies. I think, IF it was possible to have cross-species babies, that would be awesome. Don't see how that would be a mutation. But maybe I'm just weird!

After all, I don't any of my Sheps being the mother person anyway.

[battlechantress]

Sialater wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I've actually wondered about the possibility of ressucitated Shep being fertile at all. I mean, she was little more than a mangled piece of meat when they recovered her body...it could have done irreparable damage as far as fertility was concerned. Then again, the way they were going on about how they wanted to bring her back fully functional and exactly as she was before...who knows? Maybe future technology is awesome enough to restore hormonal cycles too.

But yeah, interspecies children are not possible, even between two levo species like humans and krogan. The DNA builds are just too radically different (krogan duplicate organs come to mind).

You can cross-breed some animal species, but those have to be close enough in their genetic makeup (eg. a tiger and a lion, or a horse and a donkey), and the resulting offspring would be sterile anyway. So between species that are as different as the ME-verse species? Yeah, not happening. The only ones who can do it are asari, and that's only because they cheat.

But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

Mules aren't sterile.  They're just all born one gender. (Male, IIRC)  When the rare female's born, they are fertile with each other.  (Hubby's a biologist, he lectured me on that.) 

Mules aren't always sterile, and I can tell you as a woman who's helped rescue a few that they aren't all male.  Most mules, however, end up with an uneven number of chromosomes, hence the sterility.  As an interesting sidenote, not all breeds of horses can be effectively bred with a donkey to produce a mule.  As for why, that I don't know.

[Neria Rose]

battlechantress wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

I've been also wondering, can humans/Turians/Krogans actually mate with each other as in have kids together? I have to be honest, I never checked around the internet for that.

Nope.  Turians are, like quarians, dextro-based DNA species, krogans and humans are not.   The difference in the species' DNA makes it utterly impossible to have kids together (without adopting them).

And the next person who suggests "mutant babies" should go read "Bloodchild" by Octavia Butler.  

I LOVE Octavia Butler!! Read 'Kindred' and the Patternmaster series so far, haven't decided what book I want to read next.

And as battle said, no way anything not closely related to humans can produce children with humans. Asari don't count either since the offspring does not have any human DNA.

So no mutant babies for Garrus or any other Turians. But my Shep would be totally okay with adopting Turian kids with Garrus .

[Sialater]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

see, I didn't even know that thing with the mules. why do I think of Ardat Yakshi now? O.O
i don't see why people do call that mutant babies. I think, IF it was possible to have cross-species babies, that would be awesome. Don't see how that would be a mutation. But maybe I'm just weird!
After all, I don't any of my Sheps being the mother person anyway.

You've never seen Alien 4, have you.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Just had to.





Wait, hang on, I didn't know Donkeys were sterile! How are they still alive? At least I assume that's what you mean by mules....

And I thought we had a rule about Mutant Baby Discussion here.

[Sialater]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Just had to.


Wait, hang on, I didn't know Donkeys were sterile! How are they still alive? At least I assume that's what you mean by mules....
And I thought we had a rule about Mutant Baby Discussion here.

Mules are the offspring of a donkey and a horse.

Donkeys are their own species.

[Cerrydd]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i don't see why people do call that mutant babies. I think, IF it was possible to have cross-species babies, that would be awesome. Don't see how that would be a mutation. But maybe I'm just weird!

Girls! Quick! Get the indoctrination material ready! Looks like we have to convert someone

I think you're the first one to say that.

Wasn't it illegal to meddle with cross-species babies? Or was that made up by someone in the old thread? I remember something about that.

[Sialater]

Cerrydd wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i don't see why people do call that mutant babies. I think, IF it was possible to have cross-species babies, that would be awesome. Don't see how that would be a mutation. But maybe I'm just weird!

Girls! Quick! Get the indoctrination material ready! Looks like we have to convert someone

I think you're the first one to say that.

Wasn't it illegal to meddle with cross-species babies? Or was that made up by someone in the old thread? I remember something about that.

Illegal by Council edict.

[ciaweth]

Where is the Mutant Babies WoT to point people at? We need a permalink to that, somewhere, so that when the subject comes up I can link to that instead of flailing my limbs and yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at my screen.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Sialater wrote...
Mules are the offspring of a donkey and a horse.

Donkeys are their own species.

Well what'ya know, you learn something new every day...
All I knew was that Zebra/Horses couldn't breed but now I assume it goes for all creepy species overcrossings.

Wait, how did we get from Mutant Turian Human babies to this?

[lovgreno]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

Well Kasumi did say one of the Normandy crew got pregnant. Then again that is a Failberus vessel so you could suspect that their condoms breaks just like most things they make.

[battlechantress]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Sialater wrote...
Mules are the offspring of a donkey and a horse.

Donkeys are their own species.

Well what'ya know, you learn something new every day...
All I knew was that Zebra/Horses couldn't breed but now I assume it goes for all creepy species overcrossings.

Wait, how did we get from Mutant Turian Human babies to this?

*cough* Sorry, but horses and zebras can breed.  You just don't see it happen very often.

As for how we got here, well, I think we'd rather discuss critters with hooves than mutant babies. 

And Garrus.  Hey, for those not part of Clan V, did you know that TomTom is releasing new GPS devices with voices done by 4 "Star Wars" characters? Can you imagine what would happen if BK did that for them? (I already did yesterday.  )

[Sialater]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Sialater wrote...
Mules are the offspring of a donkey and a horse.

Donkeys are their own species.

Well what'ya know, you learn something new every day...
All I knew was that Zebra/Horses couldn't breed but now I assume it goes for all creepy species overcrossings.

Wait, how did we get from Mutant Turian Human babies to this?

I think a zebra is just a striped donkey.  But I'd have to look it up.

It was an example of crossbreeding that just doesn't work.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Well what'ya know, you learn something new every day...
All I knew was that Zebra/Horses couldn't breed but now I assume it goes for all creepy species overcrossings.

Well, from what I've gathered since we started this discussion, it does seem like there's a strong tendency in cross-species hybrids, whereby the gender with different sex chromosomes (usually male) is sterile, while the other one (usually female) can be fertile. There are some exceptions though, so it's not a 100% guaranteed outcome.

lovgreno wrote...

Well Kasumi did say one of the Normandy crew got pregnant. Then again that is a Failberus vessel so you could suspect that their condoms breaks just like most things they make.

That's a very good point, I'd forgotten about that. Then again, the fact that she sounds surprised about it ("even aboard a Cerberus vessel, life finds a way") possibly means that it's not a common occurrence.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:17 .

[Cerrydd]

ciaweth wrote...

Where is the Mutant Babies WoT to point people at? We need a permalink to that, somewhere, so that when the subject comes up I can link to that instead of flailing my limbs and yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at my screen.

Hahahah, Stephi archived the entire thread and skipped mutant babies... that's how taboo they are around here

[Sialater]

lovgreno wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
But as far as birth control is concerned, I'm pretty sure they have super-effective stuff by 2185.

...oh no, why did I use "super effective" in that context...?

Well Kasumi did say one of the Normandy crew got pregnant. Then again that is a Failberus vessel so you could suspect that their condoms breaks just like most things they make.

"Let me guess, HammerTech?"  (God I love RD, Jr.)

[J4N3_M3]

ooops, I didn't know it was a big no-no to say those babies would be awesome! I mean, hellooooo....garrus and shep genes! that's bound to be awesome! *hides behind corner* pwease be vewwy vewwy quiet...i'm hunting wabbits!

[Sialater]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

ooops, I didn't know it was a big no-no to say those babies would be awesome! I mean, hellooooo....garrus and shep genes! that's bound to be awesome! *hides behind corner* pwease be vewwy vewwy quiet...i'm hunting wabbits!

Go watch Alien 4.  Cause that's exhibit "A" in no mutant babies.

[J4N3_M3]

Sialater wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

ooops, I didn't know it was a big no-no to say those babies would be awesome! I mean, hellooooo....garrus and shep genes! that's bound to be awesome! *hides behind corner* pwease be vewwy vewwy quiet...i'm hunting wabbits!

Go watch Alien 4.  Cause that's exhibit "A" in no mutant babies.

oh come on....that comparison is super lame! they used clone technology for ripley's genes so they could finally keep the alien queen alive in ripley's body to extract her eventually.