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[Goat_Shepard]

@Buggirl

Ahh yes, threatening to crush Tali under your boot has a way of bringing about her loyalty somehow [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I guess you appreciate your paragon playthroughs a lot more after a total renegade, huh? That's the only reason I'll try to do the same...but it will be...so....hard (since I failed at killing Shiala or the rachni queen in ME1)

J4N3_M3 wrote...
funny though, the medbay upgrade heals Shepard's face scars and stuff, yet doesn't heal Zaeed's or Garrus' scars.

NOOOOOO began the chant of a hundred krogan females

In seriousness, I wonder why they went with that artistic choice. I understand if it's a turian thing and you can't touch the face or something, but they kept the smashed up suit of armor, too.

Oh well, I like it it all. Ya know...Jacob looked kinda worried talking about his condition...that's what's so surprising about his rather revealing dialogue

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hah, my dudeshep is totally a sucker for damsels in distress so he's about as renegade in the romance department as a fuzzy bunny. He also values loyalty above all things  so he does have weird renegade spurts. He'll do anything for squaddies so he's really nice to Tali but at the same time he leaves all those refinery workers to die so Zaeed can have his revenge. He's a weird guy.

Hey, that's me! I'm not weird!...ok I only romance aliens I'm a bit weird...

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:11 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hah, my dudeshep is totally a sucker for damsels in distress so he's about as renegade in the romance department as a fuzzy bunny. He also values loyalty above all things so he does have weird renegade spurts. He'll do anything for squaddies so he's really nice to Tali but at the same time he leaves all those refinery workers to die so Zaeed can have his revenge. He's a weird guy.

my current renegade shep is weird too. she let Miranda kill Niket and Jack kill Aresh, yet stopped Garrus from killing Sidonis. My Shep has no bond with Miranda and Jack whatsoever. She thinks, Niket and the form of his betrayal deserve death so she lets Miranda shoot him. She also thinks that Aresh is crazy enough to start something like Pragia again so she lets Jack kill him. Yet, after hearing why Sidonis betrayed Garrus and see that he feels true remorse makes her step in and stop Garrus from killing him. She would be the first to kill traitors, yet Garrus means a helluva lot to her and she doesn't want him to become like her. She's a sucker for people she REALLY cares about. She also tells Jack to finally suck it up and to get over herself. I LOVE that conversation lol.

My paragade does the exact same thing.  She lets Miranda kill Niket and Mordin kill Maelan.  She stops Garrus and she stops Jack.  She does it because she is thinking in terms of their mental health.  She thinks Miranda and Mordin can take it without taking too much damage.  Not so Jack and Garrus.

There's nothing renegade about using your brain. Both you and Jane are paragons or if you like D&D you're both Chaotic Good.

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hah, my dudeshep is totally a sucker for damsels in distress so he's about as renegade in the romance department as a fuzzy bunny. He also values loyalty above all things so he does have weird renegade spurts. He'll do anything for squaddies so he's really nice to Tali but at the same time he leaves all those refinery workers to die so Zaeed can have his revenge. He's a weird guy.

my current renegade shep is weird too. she let Miranda kill Niket and Jack kill Aresh, yet stopped Garrus from killing Sidonis. My Shep has no bond with Miranda and Jack whatsoever. She thinks, Niket and the form of his betrayal deserve death so she lets Miranda shoot him. She also thinks that Aresh is crazy enough to start something like Pragia again so she lets Jack kill him. Yet, after hearing why Sidonis betrayed Garrus and see that he feels true remorse makes her step in and stop Garrus from killing him. She would be the first to kill traitors, yet Garrus means a helluva lot to her and she doesn't want him to become like her. She's a sucker for people she REALLY cares about. She also tells Jack to finally suck it up and to get over herself. I LOVE that conversation lol.

My paragade does the exact same thing.  She lets Miranda kill Niket and Mordin kill Maelan.  She stops Garrus and she stops Jack.  She does it because she is thinking in terms of their mental health.  She thinks Miranda and Mordin can take it without taking too much damage.  Not so Jack and Garrus.

My Renegade doesn't really give a damn about Jack. She went all renegade on her during the first conversation after recruiting and then after Pragia
I also didn't hand Jack the files. It was hilarious. Jack got them anyway and then Shepard got all mad.....loved it.

[Christmas Ape]

Last Shepard I was playing refused to make the call for anybody else. She's their commander, not their priest. Miranda wants to shoot Niket? Her sister, her call; the orphan doesn't get a vote. Jack wants to kill Aresh? Her trauma, if she needs a bullet and a nuke to bury it then that's what she needs. Garrus needs to shoot Sidonis? His team, his cultural expectations, his right. We're going to be leaving a lot of bodies behind by the end of this mission, what's three more?

Sure, she wishes Garrus would open up a little about it, but she let him have his catharsis no matter what. Maybe in a week or so, sitting in the observation deck watching the galaxy go past, she'll bring it up. Doesn't matter now, though.


One of these times I'll leave Sidonis alive to get the conversation.

EDIT:

And about Jack.  I also tend to go a little renegade on Jack at first
because my femshep will not let people intimidate or bully her.  Once
she starts to get Jack to "make a deal" she mellows though and gives her
the files.  She takes a kind of hands off approach with Jack.  She
thinks it's naive to try and "fix" her so she doesn't go all paragon,
but she does step in when she thinks Jack is self destructing.  Her
opinion of Jack is basically "if I don't provoke her and I'm straight
with her and keep my promises then we'll be fine."

I played very close to this, though with a cautious neutrality at the beginning. She thinks of Jack as a kind of human bomb; don't jostle her and there's nothing to worry about. If Jack needs to put on a show of dominance in the beginning, that's fine. We just need her breathing normally and on the SR-2, then we can start letting natural leadership take over.
Okay, we may also need to muzzle Miranda, but...

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:45 .

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

There's nothing renegade about using your brain. Both you and Jane are paragons or if you like D&D you're both Chaotic Good.

Well, that's why I said paragade.  When I'm done with her she's usually full up on paragon points and her renegade score is around 40% full.  But yea, her motivations are 100% paragon.  She's always thinking in terms of other people.  She never does much of anything for purely personal reasons.  The only time she gets snippy and personal is with Kaidan on Virmire...


And about Jack.  I also tend to go a little renegade on Jack at first because my femshep will not let people intimidate or bully her.  Once she starts to get Jack to "make a deal" she mellows though and gives her the files.  She takes a kind of hands off approach with Jack.  She thinks it's naive to try and "fix" her so she doesn't go all paragon, but she does step in when she thinks Jack is self destructing.  Her opinion of Jack is basically "if I don't provoke her and I'm straight with her and keep my promises then we'll be fine."

I'm really trying to go for more renegade here. I know, I will use the paragon interrupt during Tali's loyalty mission because Tali is a friend and needs comfort. Losing her father is hard for her. Friends are there for each other. But other than that, Renegade wherever possible. Where my Paragons had full Paragonbars at the end and only little renegade, I'm planning to keep it the same for my Renegade, just the other way around this time ^.^

[J4N3_M3]

Christmas Ape wrote...

One of these times I'll leave Sidonis alive to get the conversation.

sorry about the crappy quality. My game glitches here EVERY time, no idea why *shrugs* Garrus after not shooting Sidonis

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Last Shepard I was playing refused to make the call for anybody else. She's their commander, not their priest. Miranda wants to shoot Niket? Her sister, her call; the orphan doesn't get a vote. Jack wants to kill Aresh? Her trauma, if she needs a bullet and a nuke to bury it then that's what she needs. Garrus needs to shoot Sidonis? His team, his cultural expectations, his right. We're going to be leaving a lot of bodies behind by the end of this mission, what's three more?

Sure, she wishes Garrus would open up a little about it, but she let him have his catharsis no matter what. Maybe in a week or so, sitting in the observation deck watching the galaxy go past, she'll bring it up. Doesn't matter now, though.


One of these times I'll leave Sidonis alive to get the conversation.

This is my dudeshep perfectly.  Only time he steps in is if someone specifically asks his opinion.

well Jack actually does that. I mean, even if you go for the Renegade option with Aresh, she goes all "****, will this really fix my head?" yet you can't stop her from killing him anymore!

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:38 .

[Nilfalasiel]

My Sheps spare pretty much everyone that can be spared, unless they're being directly life-threatening. Guess I'm really a Paragon at heart. The only instances in ME2 where I actually killed someone I could've let go was Elnora, because she pulled a gun on Shep after saying she was harmless. That's a no-go. Other than that, Niket, Maelon, Aresh, Sidonis...all of them walked. I don't want anybody on Shep's team with a death on their conscience that they might regret later, regardless of how tough they may seem. I figure taking a life shouldn't be easy, no matter how easy it may be or seem for the other party.

As for ME1, I let Wrex kill Fist just to show Shep how vastly different his reasoning is, but other than that, everyone else lived, including Balak, because I couldn't bring myself to kill the hostages. I did try killing Helena Blake once, because the Paragon reasoning for that decision is rather stupid, but metagaming helped for that, since she seemed to be doing something good in ME2. So I let her live. Rana, on the other hand...if she's up to no good again in ME3, she's going down. Or to jail, if possible.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 juillet 2010 - 09:41 .

[Alexine]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 And to keep this Garrus related:    (Surely bras are allowed?  If not that's just silly.)

Even though I'm in awe with this piece of fanart, I wondered how FemShep got Garrus' visor off? I mean, he still wears it even in the romance scene (but he didn't wear it when he wore the light armour helmets).

[Christmas Ape]

Isn't the visor usually over the eye that's hidden in that piece? Maybe Shepard's just obscuring it. Maybe I misremember.



I will say that the majority of Garrus fanart not intended to be cute or funny is summer-on-Palaven's-equator hot though.

[Christmas Ape]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I know. There is no shortage of hot Garrus art. Unfortunately, this is also no shortage of "I did not just see that! Brainsoap! Brainsoap!" Garrus art either.

This is why I tend to let you folks find the good stuff for me. I'm pretty jaded about things that exist on the internet, but still...I don't need to see Garrus in that scene.

[Alexine]

I found some of the hot Garrus art to be a mite too disturbing at times. Most times, I don't like to look at the smutty fanart, it would probably ruin the fandom. It was like that when I was into Bleach and every fangirl on the internet started hooking every single male with each other.