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[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think they can do it justice in ME3.  There is just too much content.  To get it all in, I think some things would have to be watered down.  It's arguable that having six squaddies in ME2 watered things down.  The squaddies are very nice, but each one has considerably less content than LIs in previous Bioware games.  Granted what content is there is very good, but in ME3 they have to squeeze three more LIs plus countless scenarios of who cheated on who, who got Virmired, and so on.  It's nightmarish.

I really am nervous about the third game.  I was thinking about it today at work, actually...specifically, I hope to hell they don't ruin Garrus's character at all in the third game.  In the first he was great.  In the second game, he's so incredibly cool, if he was any cooler, it'd be too much.  The only way to go is down, if you ask me, and I hope they don't go there.  I've said it more than once before, and I'll say it again:  I do not envy anyone who works at Bioware.  To say they have their work cut out for them making even most of their fans satisfied with the release of ME3 is a major understatement.  For one thing, they have a curse of creating totally engaging characters.  Now they've created, over 2 games, a total of 17 potential squadmates, each with his or her own following (some more rabid than others...ahem).  Plus you have people lobbying for romances with non-squaddies, such as Joker.  They are screwed.  It makes me nervous, but I'll have faith.

[Bugsie]

I'm trying not to get too worked up about it kg, otherwise I'm scared I'll be disappointed. As long as Bioware don't go all George Lucas on me I think I'll be happy.

[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 What if Tali interrupted Garrus/Shepard?  Embarrassed Tali would be quite adorable I think.

That's (kinda) in one of the fics.

And Buggirl, you're right of course, I should just relax about it, which for the most part I do--except when work gets boring, and then my mind goes there

Ragabul wrote:
I admit I freaked out a quite a bit in the early stages of ME2, but I
mellowed later on and once I got the product in my hand (along with DAO)
I learned my lesson.  In 10+ years I have loved every last Bioware game
I have ever played.  They know what they are doing.  I don't think it's
blind trust on my part.  Their track record speaks for itself IMO.

QFT.  The only BW game I don't have is Jade Empire, and I have plans to get it.  I usually keep multiple games going at the same time and play them on and off.  I just realized I've restarted Baldur's Gate, ME1, and KOTOR, and I'm playing all of them.  I have a completely unopened copy of Assasin's Creed 2 and a totally unplayed copy of Bioshock 2 on my shelf...and I'm replaying a 3-year-old game, a 7-year-old game, and a 12-year-old game, all by the same developer.  I didn't do that on purpose, I swear. LOL
But I think it speaks volumes.  Bioware consistently creates digital heroin.

Modifié par kglaser, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:29 .

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...
I really am nervous about the third game.  I was thinking about it today at work, actually...specifically, I hope to hell they don't ruin Garrus's character at all in the third game.  In the first he was great.  In the second game, he's so incredibly cool, if he was any cooler, it'd be too much.  The only way to go is down, if you ask me, and I hope they don't go there.*snip*

I'm in an extremely foul mood about every single character thread today, so I know better than to say anything. But the overall theme of my rants about it today have to do with basing one's love of the game on how one character is portrayed.

[Xsause]

Buggirl70 wrote...

I' m trying not to get too worked up about it kg, otherwise I'm scared I'll be disappointed. As long as Bioware don't go all George Lucas on me I think I'll be happy.

Star Wars: Holiday Special. *shudder*

Modifié par Xsause, 24 juillet 2010 - 12:29 .

[kglaser]

Pacifien wrote...
I'm in an extremely foul mood about every single character thread today, so I know better than to say anything. But the overall theme of my rants about it today have to do with basing one's love of the game on how one character is portrayed.

I'm certainly not going to go that far.  I won't not play the game if I don't like what they did with Garrus's character, or something.

[Bugsie]

Pacifien wrote...
I'm in an extremely foul mood about every single character thread today, so I know better than to say anything. But the overall theme of my rants about it today have to do with basing one's love of the game on how one character is portrayed.

My love of the game is bigger (slightly) than my love for Garrus (gasp!) and the other extremely well written characters, but I need the whole package to draw me in and keep me there, one or two characters that are well drawn are not going to save a crappy game from being anything other than crappy!!  

I ventured into the main forums, and there seems to be a lot of hate going around for the plot of ME2 (I won't mention names if you've seen the threads then you may know who I am refering to specifically) I just don't get it - if it irks you so much why continue to play and why harrass those of us who don't agree with you.

[Neria Rose]

Was out of town for a week and without internet. Just getting a quick Garrus fix! And here's to hoping the Liara DLC = less of her in ME3! Although, if Garrus does any kind of voicing in the DLC (quite unlikely), I might be tempted to buy it.

[Bugsie]

Neria Rose wrote...

Was out of town for a week and without internet. Just getting a quick Garrus fix! And here's to hoping the Liara DLC = less of her in ME3! Although, if Garrus does any kind of voicing in the DLC (quite unlikely), I might be tempted to buy it.

I'll buy it no matter what, I'm a sucker, I won't even wait for reviews.

[kglaser]

aynxalot wrote...

EN: @kglaser: I disagree with you a tiny bit. I think there are still ways to make Garrus even more awesome. But the be all end all is that moar Garrus, any Garrus at all will be great.

I would be delighted to be proven wrong on that, actually.

[Kim Shepard]

I think ME3 will be awesome. I'm not really worried about that. BioWare makes great stories and characters. I just worry that part of that story and character development will be in the DLC I won't have. Hopefully there won't be any big decisions that get forced on my Shepards because of it. If the DLC just leads into ME3 and doesn't change anything in ME3 (just a way to play into it gradually, but the result is the same no matter what), then I don't mind missing out. Or if it's like the other DLCs, and it doesn't matter for the overall plot if I missed them, I don't mind that either. Yeah, it's just the DLC that worries me. ME3... I have very high hopes for that.

I wouldn't wait for reviews either. I'm getting ME3 on release date just like ME2. And I think there's another novel (Retribution?) coming out around now. Anyone know if those figurines will be in stores?

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I've recently bought both KOTORs and Jade Empire for cheap off Amazon. PC games go for pennies on there, so you could go take a look. And don't worry about PC combat. I was afraid that I'd fail at it when I bought DA:O for PC, but it's surprisingly easy to pick up. Dunno about KOTOR or JE, but DA:O is actually better on PC in terms of gameplay. You have more ability slots and they're easier to use.

And of course, mods ^^

I don't order online, so I'm just going to check Gamestop sometime. I actually bought ME1 used there. (And then found out that the one store I didn't check was the only one that had it new. Oh well, the used copy plays fine.)

I've read that the PC combat is different for DA. I haven't even completely figured it out in the Xbox version, but I know enough to play on Casual. Mods look awesome. If I ever end up getting a gaming PC, I would read more about it and try to attempt them - I'd never try it on the Xbox version though. And I'd have DLC.

@Andaius: I did say I was going to look for a used copy, not a new one. xD I know I wouldn't be able to find them new. And Steam is downloads, right? I don't download anything.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Collider wrote...

Gaider is awesome. A great writer, and willing to talk with fans. And if need be, defend himself. I found it nice that he defended his character Alistair from a few criticisms, as I witnessed.

Huh, he didn't have to defend Alistair from most of the female population out there.  I'm inclined to think he got something right in that regard.

That he did. I can see why many female fans may like him. In particular, I saw him defending Alistair's actions at the Landsmeet (if the Warden does certain things).

[Collider]

I don't think we can discredit people who base their enjoyment of the game on one or more characters. Mass Effect is played for different reasons. Some may play the game simply because it's Bioware. Some may play the game because it's an RPG. Some may love the space opera theme. Some may love the combat and gameplay. Some the story. And some the characters.

For example, I see the Reapers as pretty boring villains. They are not compelling in the least to me. Harbinger makes them out to be even more mustache-twirling. Shepard to me isn't really that interesting either - although I'm sure there are plenty of people who through creativity or something have done so.

If none of my favorite characters return (Garrus is among those characters of course), I simply would not purchase the game. I think though, while I may not personally like the game, I wouldn't say it's bad, horrible, or otherwise lesser simply because my favorite characters aren't back. But my personal, private enjoyment of the game is likely tied to the characters at this point.

Modifié par Collider, 24 juillet 2010 - 04:13 .

[Christmas Ape]

Hell, Alistair is the first time I've liked that Bioware archetype. They really got something right with him.

[Kim Shepard]

The whole reason I bought ME1 was because I read about being able to make Shepard's decisions, so technically Shepard is my favorite part of the game... and Shepard's definitely going to be in ME3. If my favorite characters weren't there, it would feel more like Dragon Age to me - great story, and great characters too, just not the type of characters I really like. (The only difference would be that I like Shepard's voice and reactions better than the silent Warden.) I doubt Garrus wouldn't be there. I mean, where else would he go? But I would still buy the game on release date anyway. My favorite character from ME1 wasn't in ME2 either. It's still one of my favorite games.

And I thought Sovereign was a great villain. His lines were awesome. Harbinger's lines are more... amusing. It's not that I think Harbinger is a bad villain though. I just think Sovereign would have done a better job at getting some of my Shepards to fear him (or in MainShep's case, hate him).

[J4N3_M3]

Good Morning everyone, just a quick stop in here before I take off for the weekend. Won't be back until Monday. Maybe I can check in from my cell from time to time.

I bought ME1 because I loved the idea of being a hero in space. Everything that came with it, was just the bonus. Still, it is amazing to see how attached you grow to not only the Shepard you created but also to the other characters in game.

On my first ME2 pt I was very frustrated, since my ME1 LI wasn't there and I wanted to stay faithful to him, yet had no one to really talk to after a certain point. That kinda sucked. But now I've played it a couple of times and I love it, because my new Sheps were romancing someone in ME2 and therefore I played the whole thing differently.

The entire RPG stuff is quite important to me in this game. I think, ME2 lacks quite a bit of that compared to ME1 but still, it's a great game and I love it.

So, now I'm really off. See you all in a few days. *waves*

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
If none of my favorite characters return (Garrus is among those characters of course), I simply would not purchase the game. I think though, while I may not personally like the game, I wouldn't say it's bad, horrible, or otherwise lesser simply because my favorite characters aren't back. But my personal, private enjoyment of the game is likely tied to the characters at this point.

When I realized a couple of my favorite characters weren't going to be squadmates in ME2, I was disappointed. But then Bioware gave me a whole other set of characters that I like just as well. I still would love to have those ME1 squadmates, but Bioware is known for making interesting characters. That's partially why I've said in the past that I wouldn't mind if they decided they were going to throw in yet even more characters in ME3. It's always an opportunity for new stories, new perspectives.

There's always the fine line to walk in order to make something with such broad appeal. When it comes down to it, though, the medium being used here is a game. Its strengths and weaknesses are tied to the game format. People go "woo, new Mass Effect comic book!" I have no such joy because they've demonstrated they aren't aware of what makes a good comic book. A good story in a game format does not mean it will make an equally good story in a comic book.

Dragon Age is another example of what works in one medium becomes incredibly hard to transfer to another. The developers mentioned A Song of Ice and Fire as an inspiration for the darker fantasy world they wanted to portray. They never even came close to the darkness of that book series and fans cried foul at some of the tougher decisions of the game.

This actually goes far off my original point, and I'm not entirely sure what the new point is. But as I said earlier, I was already in a foul mood about something else and seeing discussion about Garrus's importance to the enjoyment of ME3 was that straw on my back. I am broken and defeated.

[Collider]

When I realized a couple of my favorite characters weren't going to be squadmates in ME2, I was disappointed. But then Bioware gave me a whole other set of characters that I like just as well. I still would love to have those ME1 squadmates, but Bioware is known for making interesting characters. That's partially why I've said in the past that I wouldn't mind if they decided they were going to throw in yet even more characters in ME3. It's always an opportunity for new stories, new perspectives.

It's really all a matter of opinion. I personally find it almost incredulous not liking any of the squad mates in ME2, but it is possible.



I do know that Bioware is capable of creating interesting and great characters and they seem to invariably do so. However, I found that a lot of Mass Effect's lore I personally found imperfect or uninteresting. The Asari for example disconnect me from immersion in the game a lot of the time.



The Reapers are incredibly uninteresting to me - I was always a fan of the more nuanced, human and ambiguous villains like Saren, Loghain, and what have you. Ancient evil has never been interesting to me. And since ancient evil is the main antagonist in Mass Effect, I am not exactly shaking with anticipation to see how they are taken down.



So right now I'm most interested in seeing how existing characters end up. This is doubly important because this is the last game in the trilogy. I want closure more than new squad mates. Certainly, Mass Effect 3 will probably be a marvelous technical feat and be very high quality either way - if Bioware's track record continues.

[ciaweth]

We have no data that suggests BioWare is going to "disappear" any characters. The sidelining of ME1 squaddies does not a pattern make. I know it's easy to imagine horrible scenarios and then work oneself up over those, but I try not to do that--it makes me feel stupid when I go back and reread my freakout "OMG WHAT IF" posts once I *do* have solid data.

[Kim Shepard]

I'd like to see some new squadmates in ME3 (for the same reason you said, BioWare makes great characters), but I still want the old ones back. If they're not squadmates, they should at least be important in some way. It would be awesome if Wrex could get a krogan army to help us out in ME3. I think it would be kind of strange to spend a whole game recruiting the ME2 squadmates if at least most of them aren't going to return in ME3.

I forgot there was a new comic coming out. It's about TIM before he became the Illusive Man, right? I'm interested to see what they'll do with his character. I've been wondering about that for a while.

[Collider]

I don't think they're going to remove all of the ME2 squad mates either. Just in a hypothetical scenario, removing them or delegating them to cameos makes me less likely to enjoy the game as much as I could.

[ciaweth]

Collider wrote...

I don't think they're going to remove all of the ME2 squad mates either. Just in a hypothetical scenario, removing them or delegating them to cameos makes me less likely to enjoy the game as much as I could.

Agreed, but I don't think they'll get pushed to the background.  Too many paying customers want more content about these folks. 

I read an interview with a BioWare person (I don't have the link handy, I'll edit it in if I find it) where they said they were going to focus on content in ME3 rather than spending time making radical changes to the engine and UI.  That made me feel like they were going to try to do all our pixelfriends, including those who haven't been LIs, justice.

We'll see, either way.

[Kim Shepard]

I don't think they'll make all the squadmates into cameos either. I think most of them will return, even those from ME1. Or they'll be helping Shepard in their own way, like Wrex with the krogan. Garrus doesn't have anywhere else to go though. There are a couple squadmates who don't.

I read an article in one of the Game Informer magazines that said something like... the squadmates' stories will continue into ME3. I'd have to look up the exact quote. Anyway, it didn't say they would be squadmates, but it definitely sounded like we'll be seeing more of these characters.