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[lovgreno]

silentstephi wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

The turian weapon store owner (I always forget his name) is my favorite, but MainShep saved the Council... which means he was really nice to her. xD He won't like MaleShep very much, or at all.

Etarn Tiron is probably one of the niftiest Turian shop keepers on the Citadel.

If you saved the council, he wants to name his first born after you.  He thinks you are the best thing since sliced bread!

If you let the council die, oh MAN, he hates your guts.  It's GREAT. XD

This is why I can never kill the Council. I want all these awesome aliens to be my friend. Okay, the turian councilour isn't my friend but thats the way I like him.

[Cerrydd]

Etarn Tiron is great. I love his enthusiasm. He always makes me laugh when he crouches behind his counter.

[Mentatzoee]

Killing the council is WAY beyond renegade, IMHO.



Anyway, I started my ways in the ME saga by playing ME2, and when you haven't played ME1 and saved the council there's no council, so when I replayed ME2 with my council-saver Shepard I was kind of freaking out about how things had changed. And I remembered Etarn being all ****y about me being a human (and I always thought "But I've got a turian friend! See? He's standing next to me! Say something Garrus!!")



Anyway, Garrus is awesome in both games. Even in low-res.



Humm... If you could get Etarn in your squad though... It would be nice getting to know him. *cough*

[silentstephi]

Eh, I don't go out of my way to kill the council in my PT. They're a casualty of war. Killing Sovereign was waaaaaaaay more important.

[Bhatair]

Mentatzoee wrote...


Anyway, Garrus is awesome in both games. Even in low-res.

"Nice Shot."

I love when you recruit him, really great introduction to his character.

[Sialater]

I never kill the Council. For one thing, that was the Reapers' goal in the first place. That's why the Citadel is a trap.



I try never to do anything my enemy wants me to do. The base will always go boom, too.

[silentstephi]

Sialater wrote...

I never kill the Council. For one thing, that was the Reapers' goal in the first place. That's why the Citadel is a trap.

I try never to do anything my enemy wants me to do. The base will always go boom, too.

Eh, that's arguable.  What Sovereign/The Reapers want is to destroy all of organic life.  Just because the Council dies, if Sovereign can't capitalize on it, then it's not really furthering their goal.

The base, I'm totally on board with blowing up, but that's more because I don't think we should be following their tech to defeat them.  I think, after talking to Legion, the key lies in the Geth.  There is something there that Sovereign and Co doesn't want the rest of the organics figuring out.

But the Council being a Reaper driven goal?  Nah. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

They ask why people are stupid enough to blow up the collector base. I say i enjoy the fireworks, oh and so does garrus.

[Collider]

My Canon Shepard saves the Council out of emotion. It's the heat of the moment. Instinct came to play. The Reaper's powers were unknown - but Shepard knew that he/she had an advantage, had weakened Sovereign more than Sovereign had expected, and was willing to spare some ships to save the Council from the Geth.

[lovgreno]

silentstephi wrote...

Eh, I don't go out of my way to kill the council in my PT. They're a casualty of war. Killing Sovereign was waaaaaaaay more important.

I find it hard to see a reason to let them die. Killing off the geth outside the Citadell is wise anyway so they can't surround the fleet attacking Sovereign later. The supercannon of Destiny Ascension could be handy against Sovereign. Joker says he can save it and I trust him. At the time Shepard makes the decision Saren is headshot twice, Sovereign have lost controll of the Citadell, the geth inside are all dead and there is nothing that says Saren will become a zombie. Also I want to be able to say "Ah yes, reapers" to the Council in ME3.

Back to topic, wich is Garrus: Mr Vakarian says we should save the Council. As a Garrus fan that is a good reason for me.

[Collider]

I think the Reapers would want the Council defeated, because it sows social disorder and chaos, which the Reapers could capitalize in their efforts to conquer the galaxy.

[Collider]

lovgreno wrote...
Back to topic, wich is Garrus: Mr Vakarian says we should save the Council. As a Garrus fan that is a good reason for me.

What position the squad mates advocated in ME1 all depended on who you had with you. If you had Garrus & Wrex (possibly unless you renegaded Garrus), Garrus would suggest/imply the paragon route, Wrex would suggest/imply the renegade route.

If you renegaded Kaidan and Ashley and had them with you, Wrex would instead suggest/imply the paragon route...

But if you had Kaidan (who wasn't made renegade) and Garrus, Kaidan would suggest/imply paragon, Garrus renegade.

[silentstephi]

lovgreno wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Eh, I don't go out of my way to kill the council in my PT. They're a casualty of war. Killing Sovereign was waaaaaaaay more important.

I find it hard to see a reason to let them die.

/shrug I don't.  I don't try and use the knowledge out of game that reguardless of the option you pick, the day is saved. (which is kinda poor planning on BW's part, but I digress.)

Sure it's idealistic to think you can save them all, but when presented right there and then with Kill Sovereign, the Reaper who's about to unleash the rest of the Reapers on the Galaxy, therefore making the Council a moot point anyway, or Save the Council and possibly not have enough man power to Kill Sovereign... eh... I kill the Reaper.

Of course, my Paragon saves the council, but that's due to pesky idealism.  She thinks we somehow need them.  Silly paragon.

Also, to make this semi Garrus related, he makes a very valid point: risking human lives for the Council when the Reapers are the bigger threat?  Sorry Kaiden, he's got a point.  

Yes, I realize this isn't a popular opinion.  I'm ok with that. XD
/brandishes the Renegade 4 life flag
<3<3<3

[Cerrydd]

I saved the Council because everytime there is a 'save' option, I take it. I'm too paragon. I also don't really see a reason to let them die, other than that a couple of other ships and lives get sacrificed. The Council are a bunch of morons, but in the end I'm happy that I saved them. I want species to work together, and the humans are rising way too fast when you let them die.

[Collider]

Regarding the council decision, I always found the "kill the council" decision weird. I mean, what is done differently from "focus on Soveregin"? Either way, the Council is abandoned and the Alliance focuses on Sovereign. Just felt it was kind of stupid.

Modifié par Collider, 28 juin 2010 - 10:54 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

On this random subject, The council are massive douchebags who dismiss our claims, so I killed 'em =D Well, mostly due to wanting to kill Sovereign and bein' all like "THARS NOT ENUFF TIME!!!"

I'd like to see what this Human Council are like. They also sound awful, barely investigating Colonies and acting generally racist. Now i'm fine with Cerberus and the Alliance and other human-centered things but racism is bad. Why, because Garrus is an alien! =D



I've noticed all this talk about Garrus's morality. I bring him on nearly all my missions and on ones which involve big descisions he would usually agree with the paragon choice but you could hardly call him fully paragon, especially in ME2. Terminus really did change him.

I would say he's Paragonade.

[silentstephi]

Collider wrote...

Regarding the council decision, I always found the "kill the council" decision weird. I mean, what is done differently from "focus on Soveregin"? Either way, the Council is abandoned and the Alliance focuses on Sovereign. Just felt it was kind of stupid.

I found the "Kill them" also kind of weird, but I guess that goes hand in hand with the Renegade played as a xenophobe types.

Two out of the three choices ends up gacking the council.  It's like... gee I wonder what they're gunning for XD

And it's been established that my favorite Shep does before she thinks.  Sure, hindsight provides some interesting things that make you go... well hell.  But when you've got seconds to decide the fate of the galaxy... no time to wax poetic.  Get the job done! /rabbles XD
/goes back under her rock to archive

[lovgreno]

Oh yeah, it's true that the opinions of the companions are not consequent. And I must admit that I am rather paragon as a person. "Let's all work together" feels more smart than "My race is the boss!".

[Pacifien]

lovgreno wrote...
I find it hard to see a reason to let them die. Killing off the geth outside the Citadell is wise anyway so they can't surround the fleet attacking Sovereign later. The supercannon of Destiny Ascension could be handy against Sovereign. Joker says he can save it and I trust him. At the time Shepard makes the decision Saren is headshot twice, Sovereign have lost controll of the Citadell, the geth inside are all dead and there is nothing that says Saren will become a zombie. Also I want to be able to say "Ah yes, reapers" to the Council in ME3.

Eh. For every argument, there is a counterargument. No one has ever convinced me that saving the Destiny Ascension is a sound move, and I don't think I've ever convinced someone why concentrating on Sovereign is the sound move. Nor have I convinced someone that rewriting the heretics is inherently a renegade and risky move. Nor have I convinced someone why having Garrus not kill Sidonis is okay. Some decisions just get hotwired.

[lovgreno]

Good point Pacifien.

[kglaser]

Bhatair wrote...

Grunt looks delicious.

But when does he not?

Cra5y Pineapple wrote:
I would say he's Paragonade.

That must be the stuff in the bottle he brings during the romance scene. Yum!

Modifié par kglaser, 28 juin 2010 - 11:40 .

[Mentatzoee]

kglaser wrote...

Bhatair wrote...

Grunt looks delicious.

But when does he not?

You're going to cheat on Garrus with Grunt?!

[Cerrydd]

kglaser wrote...

Bhatair wrote...

Grunt looks delicious.

But when does he not?

I see your love for Grunt is slowly growing even more. Good!

[kglaser]

No, but you gotta admit he looked adorable in that drawing where he had a bellyache and Shepard was mommying him. As in, I could just eat him up!

Cerrydd, you sounded (ok, I hear typewritten words, time to sober up I guess) disturbingly like Darth Sidious there.

Modifié par kglaser, 28 juin 2010 - 11:44 .

[silentstephi]

kglaser wrote...

No, but you gotta admit he looked adorable in that drawing where he had a bellyache and Shepard was mommying him. As in, I could just eat him up!

http://pics.livejour...nd/pic/001r01a4
You have not convinced me that he's not just a large paper weight.

But Zwei draws cute Grunt.