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[Bugsie]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Given Xette's poll, that was not an inaccurate assumption.  That poll left me feeling nine kinds of happy.  I wish Morinth hadn't been in it though cause I think she kinda scewed the poll.  There are all of like 5 people who don't hate her so of course everyone picked her as their least favorite.

I have great hope for Tali and Garrus.  At least, if popularity means anything at all, I think they are both quite safe.

I think the poll would have more accurately reflected the feelings of the community towards the LI if Morinth was not a choice, but I understand why she was included.  However,  the majority of players would take Samara over Morinth (unless your playing the ultimate renegade) or in my case - the disc loses sound and you can't choose Morinth anyway.

I have high hopes for both Tali and Garrus too - please Bioware make it so.

[J4N3_M3]

back from a bit over 2 days off and far from catching up with the thread.

[Collider]

Well, I've seen a few guys who have suggested having Kolyat instead of Thane since Thane they think is apparently going to die in between ME2 and ME3 or something (which I doubt).

[Bugsie]

In ME1 all the LI are humanoid (given one is blue but she's got boobs and boys like that) then Bioware saw how the fans reacted to the alien characters of Garrus, Tali, Wrex, its almost as if the developers were dipping their toe in the Alien love thing in ME1 then dove head first in ME2. I for one am grateful. I never had a love interest in ME1 with my original character, so when I bought her into ME2 it was refreshing (and I was sooooo excited when I met Garrus - I'm not one for spoilers for games or movies so when I found him on Omega I was genuinely surprised - then I found out he was a LI -double nerdy fangirl excitement). My subsequent Sheps had LI in ME1 so bought baggage into ME2, but I was prepared.

[Bugsie]

Collider wrote...

Well, I've seen a few guys who have suggested having Kolyat instead of Thane since Thane they think is apparently going to die in between ME2 and ME3 or something (which I doubt).

I don't see Kolyat being anything other than a NPC.  Everyone is talking up a cure for Thane - since the news on CDN on some treatment for a respiratory disorder caused by the Vallum Blast.

[Revan061]

I am a guy. I like badass things. Thane is really badass. I like Thane a lot. I apply that same logic to Garrus, Wrex, and Grunt. I really hope there will be some sort of bromance option for maleshep in ME3; Garrus is my shep’s best friend and confidant. His consigliori(sp?) if you will.

[Collider]

That seems like an endorsement, sorta, I guess....

I take it more as "Thane's gonna die, so Kolyat would be cool," or "Kolyat is cooler than Thane." It's not hate though.

And most of the Thane hate from women is just general malien hate. It's not Thane specific. The only Thane specific thing I see getting picked on is the weird bug-eyed flashback thing. A lot of people don't know how to feel about that. I'm one of them, and I really like Thane. That kinda weirds me out though.

I've seen a bit of it in the Kaidan thread - mostly that Thane is an alien and it squicks them out or that they felt Thane's romances wasn't good because

a) Thane has a dead wife/estranged son
Thane's still talking about his wife/hasn't moved on
c) Shepard sounds/is desperate in his romance (literally saw a post like...'Oh, you have a dead wife Thane? Let's have sex!')
d) His romance was badly paced (see above).

As you said though, none of it is really about just Thane himself.

I like Thane, I don't like the flashback thing though. They over-dramatized it.

Modifié par Collider, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .

[Bugsie]

This smacks of the "My LI is better than your LI" I've been seeing in a lot of threads lately. People are obviously getting antsy about whats going to happen in ME3. I would be very disappointed if either Garrus or Tali weren't in the next installment (or they were NPC) but it probably wouldn't stop me from playing the final installment of the game, I'm sure there would be enough detail and character for me to want to continue. Anyhow they've already got the hook firmly attached.

[Alexine]

Collider wrote...

I've seen a bit of it in the Kaidan thread - mostly that Thane is an alien and it squicks them out or that they felt Thane's romances wasn't good because

a) Thane has a dead wife/estranged son
Thane's still talking about his wife/hasn't moved on
c) Shepard sounds/is desperate in his romance (literally saw a post like...'Oh, you have a dead wife Thane? Let's have sex!')
d) His romance was badly paced (see above).

As you said though, none of it is really about Thane himself.

I found that as well. People seemed turned off by the idea of romancing an alien or something that is not familiar to them. It's not just in fiction, but it can apply in real life. For example, one of my friends (Chinese nationality) is currently dating a Caucasian guy, and a fair amount of our asian friends were kind of freaked out that. Even her parents are somehow betting on when they will break up.

I think in the end, Thane and Garrus are often judged by what what they are, not whom they represent. I love Garrus more for his personality than his looks (he is attractive, just that his awesome is more apparent than his scars).

[Revan061]

if we could only pick one I would def pick Garrus. Bromance option, I mean. I sincerely hope that my shepard and miri will be able to adopt grunt, though.

Modifié par Revan061, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:09 .

[kaimanaMM]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Does Thane get on guys' nerves?  I've actually seen a lot of guys who seem to like Thane.  In fact, most of the Thane hate I have seen comes from women.

Good question.  Most guys seem to think Thane's pretty decent, alot of the guys I've spoken with consider him another brogan, alot like another Garrus to them, but quieter, more introspective.  Most women either seem to like or dislike him, but there's less middle-of-the-road opinion from women than from men - at least from what I've observed.   

Alot of the Thane dislike stems from the people who see him as a 'Carth clone' because he has a son.  Alot of people also point to the 'I want you Thane' line as turning them off because of where it appears in the romance.  Which is sad really, because Shepard doesn't say that, she says something very heartfelt and caring to him.  And alot of people just write him off entirely because they believe he'll be dead before ME3.

In my head I actually think Thane and Garrus get along pretty well.  They'd have this unspoken vibe of understanding one another, each respecting the other's skills.

[Xsause]

Even Brandon Keener himself supports the bromance between DudeShep and Garrus. That's how great it is.

And yeah, Collider, I pretty much agree with you on the flashback thing. I understand that it's just part of being a drell, but having entire conversations about it was just a bit too much for me. I still love Thane regardless, and really hope he returns in ME3.

Having Kolyat on your team would be pretty weird, unless the guy suddenly gained Thane's assassin training in-between games, which I doubt. Having Mordin's nephew on your team would be badass though.

Modifié par Xsause, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:09 .

[Christmas Ape]

Buggirl70 wrote...

I don't see Kolyat being anything other than a NPC. Everyone is talking up a cure for Thane - since the news on CDN on some treatment for a respiratory disorder caused by the Vallum Blast.

This reminded me of something I've been thinking about the recent CDN stories.



Does the entire story about Ora Thubb strike anyone else as complete and utter bullsh^t?

- Ora Thubb complains his efforts in producing the Eupulmos are not recognized.

- Two days later, Thubb goes missing.

- Two days after that, his body is found on Irune.

- Two days after that, two turian Spectres turn over two corpses and a living turian with evidence they were planning the murder.



Tell me I'm not the only person who thinks this whole thing smells off. Then again, while I love turians and find them the best-designed aliens in space opera, but I simply do not trust their government.

[Collider]

Anyway, my point is that my two favorite Bioware LIs, Garrus and Alistair, are the "no family members" people,

They also seem to be the most popular love interest for female players for their respective games.

I agree, the dead family member/estranged son thing is over done. The reasoning behind this trope reoccuring, I hear, is that the writers thought such things would appeal to women as they think it shows that the men are:

a) willing to commit (for dead wives/girlfriends)
If dead wife/girlfriend, have had relationships in the past (so they are "safer" because another woman had been in a relationship with them)
c) capable of love (for dead past loves)
d) family orientated (in the cases of mourning dead family members or trying to get back in touch with their sons)

Basically, because they thought it would show that the male love interest in question isn't some complete failure or something along those lines.

Modifié par Collider, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:17 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

I take it more as "Thane's gonna die, so Kolyat would be cool," or "Kolyat is cooler than Thane." It's not hate though.

The problem is that it would kinda nullify the point of Thane's LM. He wanted to keep his son away from violence and combat, but then suddenly he dies and his son takes his place? Fail.

Also (but this is me being shallow), Raid--err, Kolyat really has a weird face. And Thane's LM really made him feel childish (Kolyat, not Thane, obviously).

I've seen a bit of it in the Kaidan thread - mostly that Thane is an alien and it squicks them out or that they felt Thane's romances wasn't good because

a) Thane has a dead wife/estranged son
Thane's still talking about his wife/hasn't moved on
c) Shepard sounds/is desperate in his romance (literally saw a post like...'Oh, you have a dead wife Thane? Let's have sex!')
d) His romance was badly paced (see above).

 
Hmm, well, from the perspective of someone who is willing to try Thane's romance and hasn't seen any of the videos so far:

a + This is probably what bothers me the most about the romance (not Thane himself though). It really does seem like he hasn't moved on all that well. Plus the perfect flashbacks...I mean, how does my Shep know he won't be picturing his wife during the whole pre-Omega 4 episode?

Also, I can only imagine how Kolyat would react:

Thane: Ohai son, so remember how you mum died because of my job, then I abandoned you to go hunt her killers down? Well, I have a new girlfriend now and I'ma take off to save the galaxy with her, isn't it great? See you again!...Maybe.
Kolyat: ...I hate you, dad.
*goes to plant a bomb in Shep's bedroom*

c) Surely it can't be worse than with Jacob? No...?

d) I'm not sure ME2 romances in general shine by their pacing...You could do something similar with all of them.

Shepard: So you've just heard the confession of/killed the guy who betrayed your team. Good thing that's off your chest, huh? Now let's have sex!
Garrus: ...OK!

Shepard: So your dad just got killed by geth, and you found out that he was running experiments on them so he could give you a home.
Tali: Yes, thank you, Shepard. I've never trusted anybody like I trust you. I'd link suits with you.
Shepard: Ohoho! Are you suggesting what I think you are?
Tali: Err, yes?
Shepard: Awright! Let's have sex!

Miranda: I've finally found my sister and bonded with her. Thank you, Shepard.
Shepard: Let's have sex?
Miranda: Sure, lemme just clear out the engine room, so everyone can watch.

Jack: Hey Shepard. You're too nice to me. Does that mean you wanna have sex?
Shepard: No, I want to fix you first.
Jack: OK.
*is fixed*
Now let's have sex.

Jacob: Hey there, Shepard. You needed something?
Shepard: Hurrr durrr *drool* sex?
Jacob: Um...sure, yeah. Long as you don't mess with my head.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:22 .

[Collider]

The problem is that it would kinda nullify the point of Thane's LM. He wanted to keep his son away from violence and combat, but then suddenly he dies and his son takes his place? Fail.

I know, it's ridiculous.

Hmm, well, from the perspective of someone who is willing to try Thane's romance and hasn't seen any of the videos so far:

Great points. Just in case there's any misunderstanding, I wasn't displaying my own opinions there, just what some people have said in the Kaidan thread.