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I don't see a lot of Garrus hate on the forums, but when I do, it's mostly either
a) He's too popular
He's too "cool"
c) He's too whiny/can't do anything for himself
(I've only seen Liara or Miranda fans express dislike of Garrus)

Modifié par Collider, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:29 .

[Bugsie]

Christmas Ape wrote...

This reminded me of something I've been thinking about the recent CDN stories.

Does the entire story about Ora Thubb strike anyone else as complete and utter bullsh^t?
- Ora Thubb complains his efforts in producing the Eupulmos are not recognized.
- Two days later, Thubb goes missing.
- Two days after that, his body is found on Irune.
- Two days after that, two turian Spectres turn over two corpses and a living turian with evidence they were planning the murder.

Tell me I'm not the only person who thinks this whole thing smells off. Then again, while I love turians and find them the best-designed aliens in space opera, but I simply do not trust their government.

BS in the sense that their government is corrupt and wanting to push their own political agendas through? That I can certainly believe, just as much as I believe any government is capable of this same political manoeuvring.  I expect this to play out further on CDN at some point.

[NuclearBuddha]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Oh, I would so adopt Grunt if I could.  I love Grunt.  He makes me laugh and I love how he defends your honor all the time.

Grunt is pretty funny with his "my dad can beat up your dad" stuff.

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I think ME2 did a better job with letting players know that x option is going to start the romance. It wasn't perfect, but it was a step in the right direction. I know it's fairly easy avoid romance/flirting with Garrus, Thane, or Tali. The other romances, I've observed, there are some problems.

[Mondo47]

Hey there, Calibrators (sounds dodgy) - I've just put together a poll to try and get a sense of the popularity of the various Mass Effect love interests based on gamer's age groups and genders. If you want to take a minute to give it a look over,  you'll find it here. Thanks and all the best to y'all

[kaimanaMM]

Thane is pretty much over his wife and he tells Shepard so, at least twice.  But I understand how the dead wife / sister / lover gig is getting a little tired.  I think it suits Thane's character.  It's one of those 'huh' moments when he tells you he had a family, something you'd never expect an assassin to have.  It goes all in with his 'the measure of an individual is difficult to discern by actions alone'.  Go by Thane's actions and all you see is an outright killer.  Dig a little deeper and you find there's alot more beneath the surface.

Garrus I do think would approve of Thane trying to right the wrongs of his past and should Thane eventually tell him why he wants to atone (Thane being a pretty private guy I think would take a while to open up to anyone other than Shepard) Garrus would be a listening ear.  I think after Shepard, Garrus would probably be the next person Thane would form a friendship with - in my own little world at least.  

[Christmas Ape]

BS in the sense that their government is corrupt and wanting to push their own political agendas through? That I can certainly believe, just as much as I believe any government is capable of this same political manoeuvring. I expect this to play out further on CDN at some point.

In the sense he was executed and dumped by agents of the turian STG equivalent, who then drummed up some likely suspects and delivered them dead, in order to maintain the illusion of hand-in-glove partnership and curb any public backlash about their simply appropriating his design because it was needed by genuine turian citizens.

From public critique of the Hierarchy to "murder solved!" in a week; even Spectres aren't that good. For that matter, why in the world were two Spectres assigned to what was at the time a high-profile missing persons case? How does a bit of political turmoil between the turians and a client state threaten galactic security, again? Particularly when Saren, their top agent proven to be in league with the geth and attacking human colonies for an unknown purpose, was apparently only worth sending the new guy?



Whole goddamn thing reeks of black ops, some encrypted datapad in the turian Office of Public Relations Enforcement ending in "take care of this" in 24-point bold.

[Nilfalasiel]

Mondo47 wrote...

Hey there, Calibrators (sounds dodgy) - I've just put together a poll to try and get a sense of the popularity of the various Mass Effect love interests based on gamer's age groups and genders. If you want to take a minute to give it a look over,  you'll find it here. Thanks and all the best to y'all

Ok, I'd take the poll, but...what happens when you ARE 25? Does it still qualify as "over"?

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Best Male LI

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I agree that it matches Thane's character.  I think it has actually matched all the characters of those various LIs I mentioned.  The problem is more that Bioware tends to favor a certain type of character for female LI rather than this being out of character for any of them.  And all that said, I actually liked all those LIs.  The only LIs to date I have not liked are Anomen and Jacob.  I don't resent LIs like that.  I just know Bioware can do other things (Alistair, Garrus) so it kinda makes me wonder why they keep repeating themselves.  I guess "safe rather than sorry" is their mantra.  Look what happened with Jacob, lol.

The thing is, they made Jacob at the same time as Thane. They didn't think he'd tank so hard back then. But I guess they also had Thane as a sort of "back up, tried and true" option, just in case.

The thing is, too much baggage, especially if it's of the "wife and kids" kind is a turnoff to me. I'm not big on parenthood at all, so an LI with a child or an ex-wife/long-established relationship in their past is a big minus to me. Kind of like "how do I deal with that...?" I admit I do like a bit of brokenness, but it doesn't always have to revolve around their exes. I mean, look at Garrus. Brokenness, yes. Dead ex-girlfriend, no.

Then again, I also like Zev the most out of the DA:O LIs. Which just goes to show that there aren't any 100% guaranteed formulas for a successful LI. It's down to the character's personality, not their baggage.

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I agree that "whiny" is often basically just someone saying that they don't like a character. I don't think there's any squad mate in ME that actually "whines."

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I have heard pretty much every character in the game called whiny at some point.

Even Legion? That's possibly the best candidate for non-whininess I can think of.

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Whinin' about them heretics all the time amirite

[kaimanaMM]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

All of these reasons are valid personal reasons for disliking Garrus, but they are just that, PERSONAL.  It does not mean he is a bad character.  People need to learn the difference in disliking a character for personal reasons and disliking them because they are a bad character.

Truer words have not been said.  And I agree with your previous posts also, the background stories of Sky, Carth, Zevran suited the character just as I think Garrus' background of a 'lone wolf' suits him.  Well, lone wolf in the sense that he'll kind of go do what he feels needs to be done.

The way Nilf explained why she's not keen on Thane's romance is a good one.  If more people gave thoughtful responses when writing why they dislike or don't jive with a character the forum would be a happier place.

Oh, and Garrus is righteously awesome.

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:21 .

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 I don't envy Bioware really.  Women are kinda hard to read.  I think we make them scratch their heads a lot.

There's even that big thread on the Dragon Age 2 forums about what kind of male LIs women are hoping for. In that thread it seems tough mature badass and nerdy mage are the most popular.

[Bugsie]

Christmas Ape wrote...

BS in the sense that their government is corrupt and wanting to push their own political agendas through? That I can certainly believe, just as much as I believe any government is capable of this same political manoeuvring. I expect this to play out further on CDN at some point.

In the sense he was executed and dumped by agents of the turian STG equivalent, who then drummed up some likely suspects and delivered them dead, in order to maintain the illusion of hand-in-glove partnership and curb any public backlash about their simply appropriating his design because it was needed by genuine turian citizens.
From public critique of the Hierarchy to "murder solved!" in a week; even Spectres aren't that good. For that matter, why in the world were two Spectres assigned to what was at the time a high-profile missing persons case? How does a bit of political turmoil between the turians and a client state threaten galactic security, again? Particularly when Saren, their top agent proven to be in league with the geth and attacking human colonies for an unknown purpose, was apparently only worth sending the new guy?

Whole goddamn thing reeks of black ops, some encrypted datapad in the turian Office of Public Relations Enforcement ending in "take care of this" in 24-point bold.

Oh I totally believe it's sus, with turian heirachy corruption at the heart.