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[Collider]

You'll find corruption in every political system.

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 I don't envy Bioware really.  Women are kinda hard to read.  I think we make them scratch their heads a lot.

There's even that big thread on the Dragon Age 2 forums about what kind of male LIs women are hoping for. In that thread it seems tough mature badass and nerdy mage are the most popular.

Yeah... cause that's not going to end in tears or gnashing of teeth.

[Collider]

Vote for Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, or Tali as your favorite romance for your Male Shepards

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
 I don't envy Bioware really.  Women are kinda hard to read.  I think we make them scratch their heads a lot.

There's even that big thread on the Dragon Age 2 forums about what kind of male LIs women are hoping for. In that thread it seems tough mature badass and nerdy mage are the most popular.

Yeah... cause that's not going to end in tears or gnashing of teeth.

There will be people who are going to be disappointed, no doubt.

[Bugsie]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I don't think the Hierarchy is corrupt. I think turians have a very different definition than humans on what constitutes moral behavior.

Yes - fundamentally the turian heirachy and the system of governement they have may not be corrupt, but this particular situation smacks of corruption.  I agree with Collider that corruption exists in every political system.
Anyway on that note - I gotta go to bed guys - night

[Collider]

I thought the Turian Hierachy system was interesting and good for contributing to the sense that Turians were really alien and had alien culture and alien ideas.

[Collider]

Yet, to not do otherwise you would have to soften the badass in the end, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a badass to begin with.

Well I took that for some people, part of the appeal for Garrus as an LI is that he strikes fear in criminals everywhere, yet is awkward and adorkable in his romance with Shepard.



Of course, that may not be true for everyone (and people may even disagree that he's like that in his romance).

[kaimanaMM]

I wouldn't mind nerdy mage, I suppose. I rather liked Anders, personally. Though, he's more witty / sarcastic than nerdy. Almost like Alistair in mage form, but more biting and less goofy (and that's said with love).



Heck, I wished we could've romance him or Nathaniel. Nathaniel would be the mature, stoic, quiet bad-ass kind of character that I would like to see as a romance for DA2. But it's a fine line to tread with a character like that. Go too far and the guy can be perceived as a total jerk, don't go far enough and the guy can be thought of as too soft.



It's a little different with women than it is with guys. Alot of men liked the Morrigan relationship and she was a straight up **** at times. I don't think many women would go for a male-Morrigan type romance.



Emotional Sagacious Zu ... I can't even, don't even want to imagine it.

[Collider]

Right, I like Garrus for that very reason, but that's more like "badass with a heart." To me "mature badass" would be somebody like Zaeed. That I don't want. In order to be appealing to me they need to be badass plus something else. If they are JUST badass, it gets kind of dull.

I agree. I did see a few women in that thread display desire for Zaeed LI, though, unexpectedly. I don't think he has much going for him besides "badass" to be honest, but different strokes and all that.



Well, let's see. Besides the voice, what does everyone like about Garrus? I'll second "badass with a heart" as one of my reasons.

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

Right, I like Garrus for that very reason, but that's more like "badass with a heart." To me "mature badass" would be somebody like Zaeed. That I don't want. In order to be appealing to me they need to be badass plus something else. If they are JUST badass, it gets kind of dull.

I agree. I did see a few women in that thread display desire for Zaeed LI, though, unexpectedly. I don't think he has much going for him besides "badass" to be honest, but different strokes and all that.

Well, let's see. Besides the voice, what does everyone like about Garrus? I'll second "badass with a heart" as one of my reasons.

The awkwardness.  It was very sweet.

[kaimanaMM]

He reminded me a little too much of Alistair also. There were small differences in their personalities, but really, they were very similar. And after having played through DAO with Alistair, it just felt a bit like Alistair 2.0 at times.



I think that's what draws alot of people to the Garrus romance, that he's this really great fighter, he'll get the job done, he's totally cool with this snarky sense of humor yet, when it comes to him and Shepard he's a little awkward, a little unsure, kind of confused, yet you can tell all that comes from that he truly cares about her.



And Nathaniel, I would've hit that.



Twice.

[Sialater]

I preferred Anders, but then I have a weakness for smartasses.



Hence the romance with Garrus.

[Sialater]

I dunno...he seemed quite smartassy to me in 1. Though a lot of it was the interchangeable dialogue they all had.



I just wasn't looking too hard at him in 1 because I do actually like Kaidan.

[Nilfalasiel]

kaimanaMM wrote...

He reminded me a little too much of Alistair also. There were small differences in their personalities, but really, they were very similar. And after having played through DAO with Alistair, it just felt a bit like Alistair 2.0 at times.

I have to disagree on that. The major, deal-breaking difference between Alistair and Garrus, for me, is trust. Garrus trusts Shepard a lot more than Alistair trusts the Warden. Garrus has his own opinions, and he will voice them, but he knows Shepard and always respects her judgment. Alistair will tell you to lead because he's too afraid to take charge himself (unless you harden him, and then it's only at the very end and happens very abruptly), but then when he doesn't agree with some of your choices, he'll throw a hissy fit.

Example: Loghain. I wanted to spare him for two very good reasons. He says that he did everything he did for the sake of Ferelden. Ok, so the best way for him to prove his loyalty to Ferelden? Become a Grey Warden and go kill the Archdemon. That way, everyone is happy. The other reason? Anora is influential, crafty and definitely more intelligent than Alistair. Antagonizing her by executing her father (who has surrendered at that point) in front of her is NOT a sound political move for someone who would be king. That's just one example, but every time Alistair reacts strongly to something the Warden does, it's like "ok, so if you didn't want me to do this, why didn't you frickin' lead yourself?". Or, in the case of Connor, "why did you TELL me to do it?" Garrus takes responsibility (perhaps a little bit *too* much, in the case of Sidonis' betrayal), Alistair doesn't. He even doesn't take responsibility for the fact that he's giving you responsibility.

The only similarities I see between them are the snark and the awkwardness in the romantic department, and even that latter part is debatable, since they're not awkward for the same reasons. Other than that, there are more differences than similarities. Alistair is very warm and emotional. Garrus, only rarely, which makes it all the more endearing and moving. Alistair is goofy, often in a childish way, loves to gossip and to kid around. Not Garrus. ME1 Garrus was impulsive, fiery, didn't show his humour and had a stick up his butt. ME2 Garrus still had the fiery and impulsive aspect, even if turned more into smouldering anger, but he definitely gave the feeling of having grown up, and his humour gave off a different vibe than Alistair's: more world-weary, in a sense. 

Alistair, at least at the beginning of his romance, feels like he desperately needs to be in love and someone to belong with (childhood abandonment issues and the fact that he's a virgin). I got the feeling it's not so much my Warden that he loved, but the idea of being in love. Kind of like: "she's there, she's pretty, she's a Grey Warden, and I'd reaaaally like to get my freak on; that should be enough". With Garrus, it really is all about Shepard: she's the one person he can absolutely trust, and she's his best friend. He's not out for romance at the start, but when she brings up the idea, he's even willing to go beyond race barriers, simply because it's her. It wouldn't have worked with just anyone else. Which is the feeling I got from Alistair. Also Garrus isn't a virgin, so he's definitely not blinded by the "yay, sex!" aspect of the relationship (that's one of Alistair's huge minuses for me, petty as it may seem).

Alistair has no problems telling you he loves you, in large part because he actually wants to hear it in return, he makes that pretty clear. Garrus never does say it, but he never needs to. When he becomes vulnerable, words just don't cut it, but it's probably even more moving that way.

I guess it all boils down to this: Garrus made my Shepard feel unique. Alistair didn't make my Warden feel unique at all. Paradoxically enough, considering what he's like when you first meet him, Zev did a much better job with that (because his behaviour when he's in love actually shares more traits with Garrus': he's a LOT more awkward when he falls than Alistair is; also more mature and no hissy fits). My Warden felt almost like a mother to Alistair. My Shepard felt like an equal to Garrus.

I guess that also sums up what I like about Garrus in the romance department

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:08 .

[J4N3_M3]

I gave up, catching up. Too much, too little time.

Anyway, what is with all these polls? I am not voting. I have more than one LI in my PTs and I can't narrow it down to just one. The moment I do, I'd feel it unfair towards the others. Weird, I know.

Anyway, I liked Kaidan for the reason, that he was just a natural guy, not having to be all bad-ass and shyt. And I think he's hawt. Garrus, because I love his sense of humour and he's hawt. Thane, his deep personality, his spirituality and he's hawt!

I don't know why many people see the "personal backgrounds" as turn-ons or turn-offs. I don't really care about that in real life either. If I feel attracted to someone and develop feelings for them, then I can learn to deal with everything else, too. So, actually, everyone saying "not my type because he looks like this and that" is actually more my cup of tea than people trying to find all kinds of reasons like "he's this and has that" blah! But I've always been a straight-forward person so yeah.

And the reason why I never felt attracted to Jacob in the first place was because he's just not my type. I can't even see myself with someone like him. I don't like the way he looks and talks, everything else he says during the game just adds to it.

Personally, I hope that everyone gets their "share" in ME3, no matter what character they support. It would be just fair.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well, I think she was comparing Anders with Alistair. Not Alistair with Garrus. I agree Alistair and Garrus are very different. And I like Alistair, but I am COMPLETELY exhausted on debating about him. He's about the most divisive character ever. I'll just say there are a lot of things I really appreciate about Alistair. There are also things that bug me. That is also true of Garrus.

Lol, now I feel silly. It's probably because the second half of the post referred to Garrus that I somehow assumed the first part did too. But yeah, you're right, it was probably about Anders. Whoops!  My apologies, feel free to ignore the lengthy rant.

One thing, I will say in Alistair's defense, however, is that I don't think there is anything magical about virginity but likewise there is nothing immediately icky about virginity IMO. Virginity in and of itself means nothing. WHY a person is or isn't a virgin matters more to me. I think there are many quite mature virgins out there. Likewise there are pompous ones, insecure ones, in-the-closet ones or whatever. Likewise there are many immature people who are not virgins. In Alistair's case, he lived in a monastery up until six months before he met the Warden. Does that make desperate? Possibly. It could also just mean he's never had an opportunity to do anything before.

Well, I'm not saying it's automatically a problem, and I completely understand that Alistair has a damn good reason for being a virgin. That being said, I think it does influence his behaviour in the romance, which is why I mention it as a negative point. Especially since I've seen people say that him being a virgin was actually one of the qualities of his romance.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[Collider]

That was a good read, Nilfalasiel, and great points. I also noticed a lot of differences between those two characters.