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[Christmas Ape]

As much as I love the flirty implications of the "take your shields down" line, it does seem to follow more reasonably as "You've seen me shoot, Shepard" combat-buddies banter than some kind of "strip your armor" innuendo.



As to being that (potentially OoC) blunt with Garrus, I just chalk it up to species differences. Turians likely won't recognize human body language that signals interest, and may not even really hear or parse certain tones that would tip off another human instantly (relies on facts not in evidence, but with the flanging I presume many vocal cues differ between the species).

[JulianP]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't really like reach and flexibility that much either though I admit I have no idea what else it should be.  It's WAY out of character for my Sheps.  However, Garrus reaction is priceless so I am willing to deal with it for that reason.  I guess I could play it like my Shep figured that was the only way anything would ever happen.  She had to be blunt.  Otherwise it would have stayed in best friends territory forever.

You nailed it.  I felt so creepy saying the "I could help you work off some stress" line.  But it was better than a "ninjamance"  I suppose.  Personally, I could see it working with the thing Garrus/Shepard have about being one of the few friends still around and trusted.  Maybe they could go from there and be cute-awkward.  Maybe having thought Garrus was gone and then having had him almost get killed would prompt Shepard to tell him how much she values him, and then there would be some mutual affirmation of that in a way that would tentatively test the waters.  I always wondered, by the way, about Kelly's "I want to give Garrus a hug" thing.  Awkward hugs, confessions...   Hmmm..  maybe I should try to come up with some lines for FemShep.  Probably wouldn't be as hilarious as the canon dialogue, but it might be possible to explore another angle.

[kglaser]

[quote]Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

[quote]Sialater wrote...

"If I wanted to more than take your shields down, I would have."

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I can never interpret anything Garrus does pre-romance as flirting for two reasons A) he's a default smartass and he is so surprised when femshep comes on to him that I don't think he has thought about a romance with her in any capacity at all.  I think that earlier stuff is friendly jabs at her.  I don't think it's flirty.  Granted people can take it that way if they like, but I never could.[/quote]

I don't think it was flirting when he said that, because wasn't that right after you reunited with him?  He'd been up for like 2 straight days.  I know he's an energetic man, but c'mon, he would sooner have been thinking of collapsing and getting some sleep.

[quote]Plus, Keener's voice does just ooze sexiness like because the man can't even help it.[/quote]

Fix'd.
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[Kim Shepard]

@Ragabul: Yeah, that makes sense. Those lines can work for some Shepards and not others. As an example, MainShep would never use the "you were always ugly" line or the Paragon interrupt in the final scene. They're so out-of-character for her, not her sense of humor at all, but things like the romance trigger and the flux music work for her. 

To answer your other question, I think Garrus was starting to have feelings for Shepard without realizing it, since he basically jumped at the opportunity when it came up. That was the moment he realized, in my opinion - when FemShep brought it up.

Some of it sounds flirty to me, and the rest is more like friendly joking ("I had to get you moving"). Or in the case of "It's just Garrus to you", I think he actually sounds a little embarrassed. Not used to all the praise and being a local hero, maybe?

[JulianP]

I thought the pre-romance banter was "teasing," and of course there can be a fine line between teasing and flirting. In hindsight it seems like Garrus was leaking some interest but not intentionally. I didn't know he was a LI until "reach and flexibility." I just thought he was more driven in a way that broke down his ME1 reserve and composure. He's just a tiny bit out of control.  Doesn't seem like the "totally oblivious" type to me, but he definitely hadn't seriously considered it.

Modifié par JulianP, 27 juillet 2010 - 11:51 .

[kglaser]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I think Liara's romance had options that were more "Paragon" and others that were more "Renegade", and that was nice, but the three ways to say yes and no ways to say no was not. xD

AMEN!!  We've both been burned by that magical no-choice dialogue wheel, LOL

[JulianP]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Man, Garrus is flustered when you come onto to him informally. If you attempted to have a heart to heart with him pre-romance, I really think the poor guy would panic. I don't think he'd shut you down a la Jacob but he would definitely get very nervous. I think he'd drop something about "I don't want to bog down the mission with theatrics and melodrama. We need to stay focused." If Shepard showed some kind of vulnerability around him, I have no idea what he would do. Imagine if Shepard started crying or something. Pre-romance Garrus' head would explode and I'm not sure romanced Garrus could do much better. I think he's too beaten up himself to tend to many other people's wounds.

Still, I think there could have been something middle of the road between reach and flexibility and an "I LOVE YOU GARRUS! I'VE ALWAYS LOVED YOU!" proclamation. That also would not work. Something almost idle like "you know we've got a lot in common if you think about it. We'd probably be a pretty good match..." Then again, oblivious Garrus is oblivious so that might just go right over the poor guy's head.

You do have a a very plausible take on this.  Personally though, "my" Garrus felt a bit more sensitive beneath the casual, "soldiering on" exterior, I guess.  He'd be terrified if Shepard cried, but it would be mostly because he'd be afraid of screwing up his life and hurting Shepard and of going all mushy himself.  At one point I almost thought he was about to cry during the Sidonis thing but was afraid to. 

[kglaser]

JulianP wrote...

"reach and flexibility" was embarrassingly awkward for me.  But I do like it that Garrus isn't all hitting on you.  He's subtler than he looks :-) In ME1 it was like "why is everyone hitting on me!" and I had to make the rounds of the ship just to shut down all the gossip and mind games about whose I was going to be.

All of the pre-smexytime convos like that with Garrus and Femshep made me blush and stick my head under a couch cushion the first time I heard them.  I was actually a little afraid of what the final romance scene would show for a while there, LOL
But I wouldn't change anything! <3

[Pacifien]

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[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Plus, Keener's voice does just ooze sexiness like because the man can't even help it.

Fix'd.

Indeed, in hindsight I don't know what I was even thinking.  It must have been the liquid sugar. 

So THAT'S what you're hiding under that cowboy hat! :wizard:

[JulianP]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

JulianP wrote...

You do have a a very plausible take on this.  Personally though, "my" Garrus felt a bit more sensitive beneath the casual, "soldiering on" exterior, I guess.  He'd be terrified if Shepard cried, but it would be mostly because he'd be afraid of screwing up his life and hurting Shepard and of going all mushy himself.  At one point I almost thought he was about to cry during the Sidonis thing but was afraid to. 

Don't get me wrong.  I think Garrus is plenty sensitive.  In fact, I think that is his problem. 

I agree.  We're all going to have different nuances interpreting how that works out and how the awkwardness fits in,  but the good-hearted sensitive side is definitely part of his appeal.   I never imagined ME1 Garrus would end up carrying so much guilt.  Made him a more interesting character, and some great RP deciding how to help him own those feelings.  

[Xsause]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

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Man, having to pick between Legion and Mordin is like having to pick between cookies and chocolate. 

Legion doesn't have a speedo. Case closed.

And yes, I am aware of my recent Mordin-in-a-speedo spamming unfunniness (that is probably not a word), but I just couldn't help it.

[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I think Liara's romance had options that were more "Paragon" and others that were more "Renegade", and that was nice, but the three ways to say yes and no ways to say no was not. xD

AMEN!!  We've both been burned by that magical no-choice dialogue wheel, LOL

Kaidan has one too.  <_<

Well, he better not whip out that dialog wheel on me, or it's a field trip to Virmire for Mr. Kaidan.  I ain't a-playin' the whole game over again, dagnabit.
(Now your avatar is making me talk like a cowhand.  Good job.)

[Pacifien]

Mordin needs more lovin' in this poll--no wait, I'm conducting the poll, I can't say things like that.



Mordin dancing around a pole. In his speedo. At Afterlife.

[kglaser]

I had to vote Mordin. Not only is he really my favorite non-LI, but Legion is already running away with all the votes, and Mordin needs my support. And Legion can't fill out a speedo.