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A question for you guys. Lots of you guys seem to like to interpret early pre-romance dialog as flirty. Do you guys actually go with the "idle crush" idea and if so do you think it would be in character for Garrus to ever voice that?



For the record, I don't think he ever thought about it at all which is why that dialog isn't flirty to me.


Well I think Garrus always admired Shepard. There's no doubt that he looks up to her because of her heroism and her way of doing things her way - and that she gets results. There's no way that Garrus could have signed on to Shepard's suggestion so quick and instinctively if he had not liked her before. So I suppose you could say he had a crush, in that he really liked Shepard already.

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I think he's probably subconsciously had a crush on her but doesn't acknowledge it until Shepard brought it up.



The way he reacted when she suggested had a slight surprised tone to it, but not to the point it was kind of out of the blue for him. He does have a crush on her before the romance dialogue, but didn't thought about it too deeply since it he thought that opinion might be out of the question to him since he's a turian and she's a human. I think either he's trying to refuse to acknowledge or he did toy the idea but shook it off as some sort of fantasy.

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I agree completely. He had affections for her but never really though it would ever happen.

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I think Garrus was already a bit in love with Shep in a admiring little brotherly way, but taking that a bit further was still a big step. It wouldn't be hard to imagine that a crush on a human was a thought that took some time to get used to for a turian. If Shepard had not been that blunt in flirting with him he might never truly have understood it.

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Exactly, not only he'll still be confused with the whole deal of having a crush on a human, but also he might not even bother to consider the idea of admitting his affections out in the open to her. Or even if he did realise it, He would be too afraid to admit it.



The idea of him looking at her fondly as sibling affection kind of way does seem sounded cute... that probably gives me a few more ideas for my fan fic.



No offense, but this thread is a great place to research stuff when it comes to writing stuff about Garrus or turians in general.

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No offense taken...we're quite happy to provide intelligent Garrus conversation and debate :D Best thread on the forums by far, I think.

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I agree, one of the few places on the net where there's more intelligent discussion and less vitriolic spats that I've seen it a lot in many places nowdays.

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Yea. This thread never gets any drama, which is fantastic.

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Collider wrote...

Yea. This thread never gets any drama, which is fantastic.

WTF WHAT DO YOU EVEN MEAN OF COURSE BALSAMIC VINAIGRETTE IS THE BEST SALAD DRESSING OMG

<3

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ciaweth wrote...

Collider wrote...

Yea. This thread never gets any drama, which is fantastic.

WTF WHAT DO YOU EVEN MEAN OF COURSE BALSAMIC VINAIGRETTE IS THE BEST SALAD DRESSING OMG

<3



Heathen!
It's ranch, dammit.

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Sialater wrote...

Heathen!
It's ranch, dammit.




I endorse ranch wholeheartedly. I also endorse adorable forehead bumps. I think that's how turians kiss.

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The thing is, turians wouldn't be able to kiss the way humans do. They lack the lips, and it would simply be too dangerous to stick your tongue in that kind of mouth. The equation between the headbump and the kiss is on the emotional level: it definitely looks like a way for a turian to express intimacy, especially since they seem rather averse to physical contact otherwise (cf. Tali and all that adorable hugging and hand-holding as contrast). I think it's very plausible that the headbump is the equivalent of a kiss. The way I imagine it, I also like to think that FemShep goes on to show Garrus what a human kiss is like (being extra careful, of course! or perhaps keeping it outside the mouth). Y'know, cultural sharing and all that Posted Image


I think the idea is plausible and it is certainly sweet.  I'll give it that.  I also think turians are a somewhat hands off species at least with touching each other's faces and so on.  Heck, even humans are that way.  We don't just randomly rub each others faces and touch foreheads.  It's a pretty intimate gesture no matter what it is.

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Sialater wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Collider wrote...

Yea. This thread never gets any drama, which is fantastic.

WTF WHAT DO YOU EVEN MEAN OF COURSE BALSAMIC VINAIGRETTE IS THE BEST SALAD DRESSING OMG

<3



Heathen!
It's ranch, dammit.

THAT'S IT I'M STARTING A BALSAMIC SUPPORT THREAD F U F U F U

The turian headbump:  As I understand it, BioWare did this because they were having clipping issues with anything more intimate with Garrus' model.  But I agree with those who point out that touching foreheads is intimate, even for humans.  We've got two people here who have probably had their hands all over each other before, but only in battle or when medically necessary.  Imagine navigating a touch to the forehead (or the shoulder, or the face, in that scene) when the contact is so far out of the usual context.  It'd be pretty intense.

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Evil_Nerjuna wrote...

Hey, Nerjuna, I totally stole you Garrus cowboy pic.  Is that okay?  If not I will switch to something else.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 28 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .


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ciaweth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Collider wrote...

Yea. This thread never gets any drama, which is fantastic.

WTF WHAT DO YOU EVEN MEAN OF COURSE BALSAMIC VINAIGRETTE IS THE BEST SALAD DRESSING OMG

<3



Heathen!
It's ranch, dammit.

THAT'S IT I'M STARTING A BALSAMIC SUPPORT THREAD F U F U F U

The turian headbump:  As I understand it, BioWare did this because they were having clipping issues with anything more intimate with Garrus' model.  But I agree with those who point out that touching foreheads is intimate, even for humans.  We've got two people here who have probably had their hands all over each other before, but only in battle or when medically necessary.  Imagine navigating a touch to the forehead (or the shoulder, or the face, in that scene) when the contact is so far out of the usual context.  It'd be pretty intense.


God, you are SUCH a brat!  You can't just admit when you're wrong and ranch is clearly superior!


Now you've just given me ideas for Loved....

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I think it's interesting that most of the guys seem to support the "Garrus had an idle crush" idea. Male psychology? Well, you guys are the experts there. It makes it much more a possibility to me now.

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I support the idle crush idea as well. from both sides actually, since i see all my Garrus-Sheps as the pretty introvert-when-it-comes-to-feelings kinda girls. like, they wouldn't run around telling everyone they have a crush on him. Also, even if Garrus and Shep ever end up in a serious relationship, I do believe, that they would keep their lovey-dovey stuff for themselves. I don't think you would see them in public hugging each other or kissing or holding hands. Not because of the human-turian thing but because I don't see either of them as that kinda of personalities. But maybe that's just me. I've never really been lovey-dovey in public either.

I do believe though, that they would communicate through looks A LOT! And seeing that Garrus and Shep have a certain tone to their voices, I can totally picture them making dirty inside jokes, then look at each other and know exactly what the opposite is thinking!

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as for the salad dressing: it's sweet onion sauce all the way! HA!

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As I've said before, my Shep's a no-nonsense hardass so yea she is quite introverted. She also kinda thinks display of that kind are sort of weak so it wouldn't be her cup of tea either. I can see the idle crush from Garrus' side, but I don't think my Shep had one. Now she did have an idle "turians are kinda sexy" thing going on but she never really thought about it. The moment she first starts thinking about it is when silly Kelly Chambers points out that Garrus would be a good match for her. It surprises her and it takes her a while to wrap her head around the idea. But yea, I can kinda see a possible idle Garrus crush that he didn't actively acknowledge until reach and flexibility.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 28 juillet 2010 - 04:05 .


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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

As I've said before, my Shep's a no-nonsense hardass so yea she is quite introverted. She also kinda thinks display of that kind are sort of weak so it wouldn't be her cup of tea either. I can see the idle crush from Garrus' side, but I don't think my Shep had one. Now she did have an idle "turians are kinda sexy" thing going on but she never really thought about it. The moment she first starts thinking about it is when silly Kelly Chambers points out that Garrus would be a good match for her. It surprises her and it takes her a while to wrap her head around the idea. But yea, I can kinda see a possible idle Garrus crush that he didn't actively acknowledge until reach and flexibility.


As for Shepard I think it's really a matter of personal preferences and how people have created their Sheps. Especially my current renegade Shep has always had an idle crush on Garrus. She had always felt comfortable around him, attracted to him even, but had never thought about pursuing any romance until the reach-flexibility talk. Since she renegaded Kelly from the start, she didn't even get the line from her about them making a cute couple.

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 Hah, I'm currently reading a fic I really like by noobcake and I stumbled across this line:

  "He'd worn it [his bandage] religiously ever since he'd narrowly escaped death on Omega, and it wasn't clear if he did so because he was still healing, or because he didn't want others to see the extent of his disfigurement."


What do you guys think of that?  I kind of like this idea.  It's very sad and angsty, but I kinda like it.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 28 juillet 2010 - 04:25 .


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Heh, unsentimental Sheps seem to be popular around here. I'm not very big on PDA either, so I don't really imagine either my MainShep or my Thane!Shep being that way inclined either (especially since both Garrus and Thane are very private people). My Kaidan!Shep and my MaleShep, on the other hand, I could see being affectionate in public...when they're off-duty, of course. Mostly because both the Kaidan and Tali romances have PDA going on (well, with Kaidan, it's only on Horizon, but still).

As for whether Garrus had a crush on Shep or not, I wouldn't call it a crush exactly. Just a latent interest that kind of developed on its own on a subconscious level. "Crush" for me means something conscious. I do think his interest in her grew past friendship before she sprang the question (possibly the fact that she died triggered it in some respect), but I don't think he was aware of it at all. And something similar on Shep's side of things. I'm thinking that seeing him again in ME2 had a lot to do with triggering the thought: she feels a little lost after everything that happened, so it makes the meeting with Garrus that much more meaningful. Especially since he swiftly proceeds to almost snuff it.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 28 juillet 2010 - 04:26 .


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Preliminary Results Male Love Interest Poll - Guys are totally gay for Garrus, by the way.

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Yea when I say "idle crush" I don't mean he was actively aware of it. How about "unrealized interest" or something like that? That's what I meant. I think it was something going on in his subconcios. Something that only surfaced when his brain kicked into autopilot because he was so surprised she came on to him. Once he starts actively thinking about it, that's when all the second-guessing starts.

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Pacifien wrote...

Preliminary Results Male Love Interest Poll - Guys are totally gay for Garrus, by the way.



Heh, interesting.  I abstained.  I can't do quizzes that require me to choose.  I am, after all, Involved in a Stupid Love Triangle.