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[Jackalope]

kglaser wrote...
I am going to buy that book and read it at the beach!
(If I can find it in the store, that is.)

Turian beach book club!

Also, all this talk of fanfics has inspired me.  I'm working on something, which I haven't done in years...I'll let Clan V know when it's done.

[Jackalope]

Ciaweth might have a different way of explaining it...basically a work-spouse is someone you work with that you'd never date but you come to depend on each other at work in a way that sort of makes the two of you a pair.



The Normandy has a lot of potential couples...Joker and EDI, Gabby and that Scotsman, Miranda and Jacob...a work spouse isn't a real romantic interest. Just sort of that old married couple feel...am I making any sense?

[silentstephi]

Jackalope wrote...

Ciaweth might have a different way of explaining it...basically a work-spouse is someone you work with that you'd never date but you come to depend on each other at work in a way that sort of makes the two of you a pair.

The Normandy has a lot of potential couples...Joker and EDI, Gabby and that Scotsman, Miranda and Jacob...a work spouse isn't a real romantic interest. Just sort of that old married couple feel...am I making any sense?

Kinda like Het Life Partners? XD

I've been crusing this site for HOURS... and my troper' fu is weak so I couldn't find the exact thing you were meaning.

I just wanted an excuse to link the site. :3

[Jackalope]

To me, Garrus and Thane are flexible enough (insert joke here) for Renegades and Paragons alike.



Paragon Shepard and Thane: Despite the fact that Thane is an assassin, he has a very noble heart and is a total gentleman.



Paragon Shepard and Garrus: Even if he is a little rough, Garrus acts the way he does because he thinks it's the right thing to do. Even if it's not the easy thing to do.



Renegade Shepard and Thane: Despite his nobility, Thane is an assassin who uses his body as a weapon. Which isn't so different from Shepard.



Renegade Shepard and Garrus: Garrus will do whatever it takes to get the job down. He has an ideal world with Justice, but sometimes he lacks mercy.



Renegade Shepard and Saren: Wh-what? Oh sorry, don't know how that slipped in there...

[Bugsie]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Can you guys help me out? I'm trying to make a Shep to go full paragon with Garrus with, but I can't make one that makes sense. To me a full paragon would be more drawn to Kaidan or Thane. And in fact, my only full paragon is for Thane. How do you guys make a full paragon make sense for Garrus? Or do you just not think about it that hard? I can see a paragon "helping" him but not one that falls for him. Any tips?

Morning Garrus thread, I bought croissants today.

My full paragon is Thane as well Raga, (the whole redemption thing always appeals to paragons I thought about that one a lot!) I could only do Garrus with my paragade/renagon Shep. So sorry I'm probably no help.

Acceptable Loss is an awesome FF - first one to ever make me really ! Although some Thane fans were "outraged" by it.

Oh and Garrus thread, if you don't change your allegiance to honey mustard vinaigrette, you're dead to me.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Can you guys help me out? I'm trying to make a Shep to go full paragon with Garrus with, but I can't make one that makes sense. To me a full paragon would be more drawn to Kaidan or Thane. And in fact, my only full paragon is for Thane. How do you guys make a full paragon make sense for Garrus? Or do you just not think about it that hard? I can see a paragon "helping" him but not one that falls for him. Any tips?

My MainShep is a Paragon, and she romanced Garrus. Basically, in ME1, she went full-on mentor: she can see where Garrus is coming from, but she's also trying to show him that he might want to tone things down a little bit. She does like him, she enjoys his enthusiasm, she knows his heart is in the right place, and deep down inside, that shot he took in Dr Michel's clinic kinda wowed her, even though she proceeded to tell him off for it (because he could have hit the doctor). She just feels that she has more experience and a less expendable view of life, and she uses to show him that things are not always as clear cut as he makes them out to be.

In ME2 though, everything that's happened to her has made her more fragile. The mentor role is gone, because she can see that Garrus did things his own way while she was out of it, and, for what it was worth, the principle was sound. He did some good, even if it was temporary, and he avoided collateral damage (which was her main gripe with his methods in ME1). What's more, she's not so sure how she would've reacted herself if she'd been in the same situation as what happened after her death (negationism from the authorities coupled with the pain of losing a close friend). So she's not judging the fact that he went vigilante, and she begins to perceive him more as an equal, someone who has been through hell through no fault of his own, but still takes responsibility for it (unlike his "maybe the hostages die, maybe they don't" ME1 attitude). His pain moves her, but, as a friend, she refuses to let it eat away at him and turn him into something he's not (cue Sidonis). Rather than teaching, she shifts to helping: she's no longer setting an example, but reaching out for someone she cares about. And she realizes that she cares a lot more than she knew.

Overall, I guess it's a case of opposites attracting. She uses her head, he uses his heart, and while she knows that it might get him into trouble, she enjoys that intensity, because it's something that she doesn't have (or has to a much lesser extent). So they balance each other out. Symbiosis and all that. They don't have to agree all the time; in fact, it gives a different dynamism to the relationship.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:33 .

[kglaser]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Miranda, though, would totally ****slap her ass in a circle. And that would be awesome.
Tali should hack her camera and make it fall on her head or something. 
Jacob only needs to say "but the priiiiize". 
And Garrus headbutt = win.

And no matter who you pick, they could say, "Say goodnight, Khalisa" as an homage to Eden Prime's resident crazy scientist, Manuel

[ciaweth]

Jackalope wrote...

Ciaweth might have a different way of explaining it...basically a work-spouse is someone you work with that you'd never date but you come to depend on each other at work in a way that sort of makes the two of you a pair.

The Normandy has a lot of potential couples...Joker and EDI, Gabby and that Scotsman, Miranda and Jacob...a work spouse isn't a real romantic interest. Just sort of that old married couple feel...am I making any sense?

Yeah, exactly.  You finish each others' sentences, you bring each other donuts, remember each others' birthdays, cover for each others' weaknesses on projects and whatever, but you're not romantically involved.  Whether it stays that way depends on the people.

[ciaweth]

Buggirl70 wrote...
Acceptable Loss is an awesome FF - first one to ever make me really ! Although some Thane fans were "outraged" by it.

Oh and Garrus thread, if you don't change your allegiance to honey mustard vinaigrette, you're dead to me.

I think Acceptable Loss was misinterpreted to mean that somehow the loss of Thane was "acceptable" and no big deal.  It didn't feel that way to me.  I can see being sad when reading a fic where Thane dies, though. 

P.S.  BUGGIRL IM CALLIN U OUT!!!1  BALSAMIC ALL TEH WAY

[kglaser]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
deep down inside, that shot he took in Dr Michel's clinic kinda wowed her, even though she proceeded to tell him off for it (because he could have hit the doctor).

Not really on-topic to this discussion, but I can't let the mention of this scene pass without saying I love it so hard.  I mean, he didn't even really take time to aim, and he hit the guy.  So self-assured (and a crack shot)...*sigh*, all the good ones are polygonal.

They don't have to agree all the time; in fact, it gives a different dynamism to the relationship.

Absolutely...I wouldn't want to play a Shepard that just agreed with Garrus every single time.  It would be for me.

[kglaser]

ciaweth wrote...

I think Acceptable Loss was misinterpreted to mean that somehow the loss of Thane was "acceptable" and no big deal.  It didn't feel that way to me.  I can see being sad when reading a fic where Thane dies, though. 

Isn't Acceptable Loss also a military term?  I thought of it more that way.
And when reading the story, I think it's been made pretty clear that even near the end, she still loves and misses Thane...she'll never really get over that, even though she's found a way to move on.

[ciaweth]

kglaser wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

I think Acceptable Loss was misinterpreted to mean that somehow the loss of Thane was "acceptable" and no big deal.  It didn't feel that way to me.  I can see being sad when reading a fic where Thane dies, though. 

Isn't Acceptable Loss also a military term?  I thought of it more that way.
And when reading the story, I think it's been made pretty clear that even near the end, she still loves and misses Thane...she'll never really get over that, even though she's found a way to move on.

That's what I read, too.  She took a few months to put herself back together, and went on to see about finding a different kind of love with a different kind of person.  Humans do this all the time in real life.  Doesn't mean it cheapens everything they had before.

[kglaser]

I think it even mentioned something specifically flat-out that she still loved him. I'd have to look it up, though...I don't remember exactly.

[Bugsie]

@ Ciaweth Yes I think they were outraged at the title, where I took it as what a soldier might say going into battle knowing that people will die, perfectly understandable, some thought it crass and tactless, but given the circumstances of the story perfectly "acceptable" to me. The fact Garrus ends up with the girl also must have ruffled a few feathers…..



PS. - Them thare is fightin’ words missy! Look out Garrus thread thares gonna be a massacree…..

[ciaweth]

Buggirl70 wrote...

@ Ciaweth Yes I think they were outraged at the title, where I took it as what a soldier might say going into battle knowing that people will die, perfectly understandable, some thought it crass and tactless, but given the circumstances of the story perfectly "acceptable" to me. The fact Garrus ends up with the girl also must have ruffled a few feathers…..

PS. - Them thare is fightin’ words missy! Look out Garrus thread thares gonna be a massacree…..

Bring it, woman! 

I gotta warn you, I scratch and pull hair. 

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Thanks, Nil.  This is extremely helpful.  I think I got a good idea for an adept with this.  I'm going to give it a try.  Do you romance Kaidan with that Shep?  And if you do/don't what are your reasons there?

Nope, not with that Shep. She stayed single in ME1. She could tell Kaidan was interested in her, but he never sparked her interest, because he was too much like her: reasonable, first and foremost, even excessively so. She also thought it would be too complicated to start something with a subordinate. Perhaps if he'd had a bit more of a spark, she might have thought "you know what? screw the rules". But as things stood, that never happened.

[kglaser]

Ah, here's the relevant part of the story:

"Forever is a long time, Siha." She felt her throat close up as the thought drifted in her mind. She missed him. She still loved him. That wasn't going away. But he was right. He'd known better than her back then. And – when push came to shove, and Garrus had been injured? Thoughts of Thane never once entered her mind – she'd been far too consumed with fear for Garrus, that she hadn't had time to dwell on her lost lover. Hadn't even realized that she had even stopped until later, when she knew that Garrus was fine.

It was that realization, that she had well and truly moved past that loss, and into some place else entirely, that had allowed her to make the decision.

I don't think that's insensitive toward Thane at all.  But opinions on the subject will vary, of course.

[Bugsie]

I've been practising my ninja skills!

[Bugsie]

kglaser wrote...

Ah, here's the relevant part of the story:

"Forever is a long time, Siha." She felt her throat close up as the thought drifted in her mind. She missed him. She still loved him. That wasn't going away. But he was right. He'd known better than her back then. And – when push came to shove, and Garrus had been injured? Thoughts of Thane never once entered her mind – she'd been far too consumed with fear for Garrus, that she hadn't had time to dwell on her lost lover. Hadn't even realized that she had even stopped until later, when she knew that Garrus was fine.

It was that realization, that she had well and truly moved past that loss, and into some place else entirely, that had allowed her to make the decision.

I don't think that's insensitive toward Thane at all.  But opinions on the subject will vary, of course.

I can't believe it but I'm actually tearing up thinking about this story and reading this passage.

[kglaser]

Oh, definitely. I would say I'd never be able to play a Shepard who romanced Garrus if our basic values were made out to be diametrically opposed.



Now, a jerk renegade who's just plain mean...I've got one of those, too. and all bets are off! >