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[SpaceBuscuit]

I think my favorite ME2 Garrus line is "You know what else is bad for business? A broken neck!"

[Kim Shepard]

It's interesting to know MainShep's not the only Shepard who likes Saren. Good thing each game has its own Saren, or MainShep would get jealous. Unfortunately, every game has asari...

Random Asari: *flirts*
MainShep: Back off! *aims her shotgun* Saren's my man!
Saren: *already aiming his pistol* Oh. I thought she was flirting with you.

Maybe someday they'll learn. xD But judging by MaleShep's playthrough, probably not.

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

That's a good one.  If I was to start listing all my favorite Garrus lines, I'd be here all night...but "classy antique shops" is WAY up the top of my list as is "that's pretty extreme commander."  I know Tali says that one too, but I love it.  It's one of the few places where a squaddie actively messes with you.

some more interaction, no messing though

i consider that messing

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
@ Kim
Oh, I can definitely understand the Saren appeal.  I'd put him right under Garrus for appeal though Nihlus is high on my list as well.  The one I don't get is Lorik.  To me he is the turian equivalent of somebody's middle management SUV driving dad.  And I don't like his model that much.  I agree he is fairly amusing, but I still don't get the appeal.  

I think the Saren picture is just hawt! 

[Kim Shepard]

I think something that a lot of people like about Lorik is that he's so friendly to Shepard, asking him/her to sit down, have a drink, and talk with him. There aren't many turians who act that way with Shepard, so it's nice to see. (His attempt at using human phrases is hilarious too, even if I don't understand it. xD) 

I'm not sure if I have a favorite Garrus line. I like a lot of them, so I never chose a favorite. Same with Saren's lines. I haven't heard Garrus' line if he shoots Sidonis after listening to him, but I've read about it and I assume it'll be one of my many favorites. MaleShep will get that line whenever he reaches Garrus' loyalty mission... and ME2. MainShep let Garrus shoot Sidonis the first chance she had. At that point, I didn't even know it was possible to let him talk and still shoot him.

[SpaceBuscuit]

I really liked Saren as a character. He had a certain twisted logic about him when he tried to reason with Shepard on Virmire. Totally delusional of course, but there was some depth to his villainy that I appreciated. As though he really believed he was a good guy, and couldn't fathom the extent to which he was under Sovereign's control. ME2 didn't really have a deep antagonist like that.

[Nilfalasiel]

Worrywort wrote...

I was thinking about Garrus's loyalty mission earlier, and I have to say it's extremely well done. It's probably my favorite loyalty mission in ME2, infact one of my favorite missions in the whole game. The dialog in the car before facing Sidonis and after dealing with him (I save him every time) is brilliant.

It's the little sob he has in his voice when he says "The thought that Sidonis could get away with this..." That really got me the first time I played through his LM. It didn't make me tear up the way Mordin's prayer did, but it did put a lump in my throat. Alongside the chill I was already getting from the rest of his dialogue in the car, that made for a very powerful experience.

@ Ragabul: I was fairly neutral on Jacob before I started playing. I could see him getting a lot of flak on forums, but I was like "eh, I'll just talk to him normally and avoid all the romance starters, it can't be worse than with Liara"

Until I heard what FemShep sounded like when talking to him.

I only talked to him three times after that. Once to trigger his LM, once after his LM, and once before going off for the Omega 4 relay (the "spilling drinks" convo).

And I also don't get the appeal in Lorik. Yes, he's funny, but I wouldn't hit that.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:39 .

[lovgreno]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

I really liked Saren as a character. He had a certain twisted logic about him when he tried to reason with Shepard on Virmire. Totally delusional of course, but there was some depth to his villainy that I appreciated. As though he really believed he was a good guy, and couldn't fathom the extent to which he was under Sovereign's control. ME2 didn't really have a deep antagonist like that.

I agree, a good villain is necesary for a spaceopera like this. They tried to make TIMmy the charismatic villain in ME2 but sadly I find it hard to take him serious with all his failing plans.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I expected Garrus to do that when I had Tali with me, but lo and behold it was Tali who suggested we off the council. That surprised me a little. Then I remembered how lousy the Council has treated the quarians and I understood.

Hang on...

Garrus is more Renegade than Tali...So if you had both of them with you, Tali couldn't have been suggesting to off the Council.

mrsph wrote...

I've had Wrex tell me to save to Council and Liara tell me to kill them once.

Same thing...Did this happen with both of them in the party? Default Kaidan is more Paragon than Liara, so yes, I can see her suggesting to off the Council with him in the party. But Wrex is the most Renegade of the squaddies. Logically, he should never be suggesting to save the Council...

Unless you have a Renegaded Kaidan in the party with him.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[Nilfalasiel]

mrsph wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Same thing...Did this happen with both of them in the party? Default Kaidan is more Paragon than Liara, so yes, I can see her suggesting to off the Council with him in the party. But Wrex is the most Renegade of the squaddies. Logically, he should never be suggesting to save the Council...

Unless you have a Renegaded Kaidan in the party with him.

Sometimes I think the character positions will go bonkers and they'll say the opposite of what they should say. But for the Wrex line I think I had renegade Kaidan in my party.

Ah well, that does make sense then. I think that's the only way to get Wrex to say a Paragon line.
You probably had default Kaidan when you heard the Liara line then.

@ Andaius: That was a lovely shot of Thane. Also, MST3k was awesome. At least, the few episodes that I saw. I have no idea how they dredged up those abysmally crappy films.

@ Ragabul: Cab convo right at the beginning

Yeah, the speech after letting Sidonis go is also amazing. I was like "omg, Shep, say something, DO something...nuuu, a pat on the arm? really? that's all you're going to do? "

In retrospect, I'm not sure what else she could have done, but it just seemed slightly inadequate. Maybe she could've touched his arm instead of simply patting it?

As for the Tali situation with the Council...Hmm. I'll try bringing her and Garrus to the Saren fight with my Thane!Shep and see what happens. It's really surprising to me too.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:59 .

[SpaceBuscuit]

In my playthroughs (and I always took Tali), Tali would always be the one to tell me that we should abandon the council.

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Yeah, the speech after letting Sidonis go is also amazing. I was like "omg, Shep, say something, DO something...nuuu, a pat on the arm? really? that's all you're going to do? "

I know.  Why does Tali get all the hugs?  It's probably just turian model issues and clipping, but come on, we need Garrus hug interrupt!  Huh, because THAT wouldn't surprise him in the slightest.

And I"m not hearing the sob.  Do you mean how he kinda turns his face away and looks out the window?  His voice does go kinda raspy there.

There's a hitch in his voice when he says the word "away". I know he's not crying, but I'm qualifying it as a dry sob kind of thing. Like the emotion is getting overwhelming (the way he's thinking of Sidonis right then, letting him go unpunished is just such an aberration).

And lol, I can just imagine Garrus' head exploding if Shep hugged him then. But just a slightly more lingering touch on his arm, a bit like what she does when she says "I don't want to pressure you" during the second romance convo, that would've been better. The pat is just so dismissive. Kind of like "meh, you'll be ok".

And yeah, I guess storyline does come into play in the "Tali hates Council" situation. Funny, I thought the ME1 morality flipflopping happened with no exceptions.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:13 .

[Kim Shepard]

I missed Saren in ME2. In a way, I missed Sovereign too - that speech on Virmire was awesome. Harbinger never gave my Shepards that moment of feeling powerless. Sovereign could. Also, I can't really think of TIM as ME2's villain because half of my Shepards side with him in the end.

I hope Garrus is more Renegade than Tali in the rachni queen situation... I want Tali to be the one who talks sense into MaleShep. xD

[UnDutchable]

On my last ME1 playthrough, Garrus argued for sparing the rachni. It was probably because my other squadmate was Wrex, though. That was kind of an awkward conversation.

Garrus: No, Shepard, genocide is wrong! That's why we fought the kroga... Um. Oh.

Wrex: You want to know about genocide? Go visit a krogan obstetrician's office.

Ouch.

And I miss Saren, too. He was a jerk and I usually don't bother talking him into suicide so I can shoot the bastard himself, but at least he was a villain with clear goals. In ME2 I forgot who the real enemy was half the time. TIM? The Collectors? The geth heretics?