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[silentstephi]

And what were we talking about around page 400 of v2.0 thread? The Squad Survival game /facepalm



Btw, Ray, I miss you. You need to have lots of my babies for those Zombie Garrus pictures you posted. I lol'd a lot.



Here's the updated Googledoc for you folks, in case you wanted to peruse the old thread and it's topic. XD



It's now time for bed.

[Bugsie]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I thought it was only a legal thing in China.  And then there's at least one city where they've temporarily repealed the law due to a falling population--not to mention the issue China is having with too many boys being kept and too few girls (families prefer male children and will have female fetuses aborted in favor of having a boy later).  Chinese guys are having trouble finding wives already, and the problem stands to get worse in the near future.

Yes Brass its only legal in China, as far as I'm aware, but gendercide is on the increase, in a lot of countries, its scary and incredibly heartbreaking.

That said, I think he was more paragon in ME1 than he is in ME2.  In ME1, he spoke up for improving human/turian relations by reminding Shepard that humans and turians both have to share their space.  He spoke up in my recent renegade playthrough--a fully renegade Garrus at this point--for preserving the Destiny Ascenscion, while Tali said my mostly-renegade Shepard should spare the human fleet instead. 

Thats really interesting - I've only ever got the "Don't save the council" speech from Garrus - I've got 2 characters through ME1 a fully paragon and a paragade, what is it that makes him say the opposite??

No matter his decisions, though, Garrus keeps being interested in justice.  No matter how cold he might become through renegade choices, there's something fundamentally good in him.  Something about him makes me wince when I choose renegade choices for him though.  It's like I know I'm teaching him to be vicious, or encouraging it, and I feel like despite his good intentions I may be making another Saren.  After all, don't other characters speculate in ME1 that Saren had good intentions, too?  

Yes fundamentally Garrus is good.  However I find it a little disturbing that Shepard can persuade him so easily, this is a man (turian) who should know his own mind by now. 
Others speculate about Saren might have had some good in him, and I thought maybe he did too, but when I read Revelations those thoughts disappeared.

[Aricle]

silentstephi wrote...

Here's the updated Googledoc for you folks, in case you wanted to peruse the old thread and it's topic. XD

It's now time for bed.

That's incredible, stephi. Sweet dreams!

P.S. I miss Flammie and Ray.

[Collider]

Interesting thing I found:
If Jack is dead, this is what Garrus says to Miranda during the suicide mission briefing:

(accusatory, pointing) "I don't want you leading the second team. Half of us don't even trust you."

That's the third easy-to-miss Garrus reference/dialog I've picked up. I'm on fire!

Anyways, Aricle, I'll do my part in helping to figure out the who catches who business. I want to know if there's a method to this madness

Modifié par Collider, 29 juin 2010 - 06:04 .

[lovgreno]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Thats really interesting - I've only ever got the "Don't save the council" speech from Garrus - I've got 2 characters through ME1 a fully paragon and a paragade, what is it that makes him say the opposite??

Yes fundamentally Garrus is good.  However I find it a little disturbing that Shepard can persuade him so easily, this is a man (turian) who should know his own mind by now. 

I'm not sure but I think at least one squadmate is pro saving council and the other is against it. To make it more dramatic I suppose.

Garrus believes in justice but he doesn't always believe in the rules. I think he may be younger than many think, wich can be what makes him so easily led.

[Collider]

I'm not sure but I think at least one squadmate is pro saving council and the other is against it. To make it more dramatic I suppose.

This is exactly true. For the major decisions in ME1, there will always be one squad mate pro paragon, and the other pro renegade. There's a scale of who is most likely to go paragon or renegade. I think it goes like this (garrus and ashley may or may not be switched, can't remember)



Paragon Ashley

Kaidan (Yes, Kaidan is more paragon than Liara for some reason)

Liara

Tali

Garrus

Ashley

Wrex

Renegade Ashley/Kaidan



I don't know if Paragon or Renegading Garrus changes the order.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Interesting thing I found:
If Jack is dead, this is what Garrus says to Miranda during the suicide mission briefing:

(accusatory, pointing) "I don't want you leading the second team. Half of us don't even trust you."

That's the third easy-to-miss Garrus reference/dialog I've picked up. I'm on fire!

Anyways, Aricle, I'll do my part in helping to figure out the who catches who business. I want to know if there's a method to this madness

If Jack or Garrus aren't there (shock!horror!), it's actually Jacob who points out that Miranda might not be the right person for the job. Yeah man, Cerberus crew sticks together.

If anyone's interested in how the science is going, it gets posted in two different locations depending on where I feel like posting it. Ongoing science goes here while stuff that's pretty much nailed down goes here.

[Brass_Buckles]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I thought it was only a legal thing in China.  And then there's at least one city where they've temporarily repealed the law due to a falling population--not to mention the issue China is having with too many boys being kept and too few girls (families prefer male children and will have female fetuses aborted in favor of having a boy later).  Chinese guys are having trouble finding wives already, and the problem stands to get worse in the near future.

Yes Brass its only legal in China, as far as I'm aware, but gendercide is on the increase, in a lot of countries, its scary and incredibly heartbreaking.

That said, I think he was more paragon in ME1 than he is in ME2.  In ME1, he spoke up for improving human/turian relations by reminding Shepard that humans and turians both have to share their space.  He spoke up in my recent renegade playthrough--a fully renegade Garrus at this point--for preserving the Destiny Ascenscion, while Tali said my mostly-renegade Shepard should spare the human fleet instead. 

Thats really interesting - I've only ever got the "Don't save the council" speech from Garrus - I've got 2 characters through ME1 a fully paragon and a paragade, what is it that makes him say the opposite??

No matter his decisions, though, Garrus keeps being interested in justice.  No matter how cold he might become through renegade choices, there's something fundamentally good in him.  Something about him makes me wince when I choose renegade choices for him though.  It's like I know I'm teaching him to be vicious, or encouraging it, and I feel like despite his good intentions I may be making another Saren.  After all, don't other characters speculate in ME1 that Saren had good intentions, too?  

Yes fundamentally Garrus is good.  However I find it a little disturbing that Shepard can persuade him so easily, this is a man (turian) who should know his own mind by now. 
Others speculate about Saren might have had some good in him, and I thought maybe he did too, but when I read Revelations those thoughts disappeared.

I've heard that about Revelations, but I should also point out that he did seem genuine in his desire to save the galaxy by sacrificing the various species' freedom.  Wrong action, right reason.  But it also seems to me that turians are especially prone to losing themselves in violent actions--which could be a very bad thing for Renegade-Garrus. A turian who beats prisoners too often gets to be rougher and rougher with them until he has to quit.  Saren was clearly vicious for the sheer joy of it.  I'm not sure if this will apply to Renegade-Garrus, but I hope not.  I think he should be more jaded, less idealistic, more inclined to do his own thing regardless of the consequences.  And maybe he should be a bit colder, more distant, like he's carrying the weight of his own decisions--because let's face it, guys and gals, even if he agrees with those renegade actions, he seems unhappy with himself for doing them.  Not that he's much happier if he has to go the paragon route.

As for Paragon-Garrus, he's got a bit more weight on his shoulders, but I think he should lean toward being lighter-hearted, closer to what he was in ME1.  Still a touch renegade, but more open, more cheerful, more forgiving.  The downside is that he'd also probably be a bit less independent.

But let's not forget that no matter how you influence Garrus, he's still going to care about justice as he perceives it, he's most likely going to consider Shepard a friend (or lover if you romanced him), he'll still be hot-headed, he'll be prone to piping up with commentary during Shepard's conversations whether Shepard wants him to or not, and he'll probably be at least a little bit renegade.  That's just who he is.  Your influence will probably only determine whether he's a paragade or a renegon.

Anyone else curious to see how Garrus broaches any topic regarding continuing (or ending) a Shep-Garrus romance in ME3?

[Andaius20]

[REMspace]

Andaius20 wrote...

So cute. Haha

[Bugsie]

Indeed very cute!!

[Alexine]

Andaius20 wrote...

Aimo's work, right?

[Collider]

Looks very Aimo. She's a talented artist. Even did a collaboration with David Gaider.

[REMspace]

Yes, is Aimo's work.

[danitiwa]

Aimo can really draw Garrus.



I just wish she did it more, all she ever does these days is DA art. Part of the reason I unwatched her.

[Steel Dancer]

Rebe70 wrote...

In what I have done so far, whomever I caught was who caught me.

Bizarre. It's almost the complete opposite for me.

Andaius20 wrote...

Love most of the art Aimo does. While I haven't played DA for... uhh, wow, longer than I'd realised  I do still like the DA art and stories out there.

Modifié par Steel Dancer, 29 juin 2010 - 12:35 .

[silentstephi]

Eh, I still watch Aimo. I like her DA stuff as well. She's a good artist. They deserve praise ^.^



I would try to respond to the current vein of WoTs.... but my brain is blanking. So in short, the only way I can see Garrus coming up with any sort of rejection of the relationship is if you cheated on Liara/Kaiden. I'm unsure whether or not you've paragon'd or renegaded him would matter in that, because on the one hand I could see him being crushed about it as a paragon'd Garrus... and therefore taking it hard, or maybe doing the whole stiff upper lip and stepping out of the way. Or if you renegading him, him not caring about Kaiden and still pursuing you anyway OR the other extreme of flying off the handle and wanting nothing to do with you because you've still involved him in a stupid love triangle (which could endanger the mission since, well, people are distracted).



Eh, I dunno, I'm still trying to wake up. Stupid cat getting stuck in the closet... /grumble grouch

[Fia_Bobia]

Not mine, but wanted to share.


Garrus:wub:

[kglaser]

[quote]Pacifien wrote...

[quote]Ecael wrote...
[quote]Pacifien wrote...
Garrus, I wanted to take you to Hock's vault, but they wouldn't let me. [/quote]
Garrus would stand out, what with the whole "my armor just got shot to pieces by some of your own mercenaries" problem and all...


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Well then, I guess Kasumi better buy him a formal suit as well.

[/quote]

Want to see.  Very much.

[quote]Andaius wrote:

Yes, Kelly, I definitely agree!...but...what are you looking at?

Modifié par kglaser, 29 juin 2010 - 12:55 .

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
This is exactly true. For the major decisions in ME1, there will always be one squad mate pro paragon, and the other pro renegade. There's a scale of who is most likely to go paragon or renegade. I think it goes like this (garrus and ashley may or may not be switched, can't remember)

Paragon Ashley
Kaidan (Yes, Kaidan is more paragon than Liara for some reason)
Liara
Tali
Garrus
Ashley
Wrex
Renegade Ashley/Kaidan

I don't know if Paragon or Renegading Garrus changes the order.

I preferred the system in ME2 better. Why should the squadmate change their opinion simply because Shepard needs both a devil and an angel on his shoulders?

Someone came up with the list somewhere before. (I bet it was Ecael, too.) Paragon Ashley, I believe, does not advocate saving the Council. Normally she even speaks against it even more so than Wrex. Kaidan, however, does advocate saving the Council before Liara does. And Renegade Kaidan will advocate leaving them to die in, I believe, a very "what have they ever done for us" manner.

Don't know if paragon or renegade Garrus will change the order on the list. It doesn't really have much to do with human opinion on aliens, though, like the Kaidan and Ashley conversations do.

[Sialater]

silentstephi wrote...

Eh, I still watch Aimo. I like her DA stuff as well. She's a good artist. They deserve praise ^.^

I would try to respond to the current vein of WoTs.... but my brain is blanking. So in short, the only way I can see Garrus coming up with any sort of rejection of the relationship is if you cheated on Liara/Kaiden. I'm unsure whether or not you've paragon'd or renegaded him would matter in that, because on the one hand I could see him being crushed about it as a paragon'd Garrus... and therefore taking it hard, or maybe doing the whole stiff upper lip and stepping out of the way. Or if you renegading him, him not caring about Kaiden and still pursuing you anyway OR the other extreme of flying off the handle and wanting nothing to do with you because you've still involved him in a stupid love triangle (which could endanger the mission since, well, people are distracted).

Eh, I dunno, I'm still trying to wake up. Stupid cat getting stuck in the closet... /grumble grouch

These are very much what I'm afraid of for Meghan.  She's the only one of my Sheps that will be moving on until I know what happens in 3. 

[kglaser]

[quote]Steel Dancer wrote...


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Suddenly I desperately want this as my new avatar.

[Steel Dancer]

silentstephi wrote...

So in short, the only way I can see Garrus coming up with any sort of rejection of the relationship is if you cheated on Liara/Kaiden.

Now why'd you have to go and say that...?

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
This is exactly true. For the major decisions in ME1, there will always be one squad mate pro paragon, and the other pro renegade. There's a scale of who is most likely to go paragon or renegade. I think it goes like this (garrus and ashley may or may not be switched, can't remember)

Paragon Ashley
Kaidan (Yes, Kaidan is more paragon than Liara for some reason)
Liara
Tali
Garrus
Ashley
Wrex
Renegade Ashley/Kaidan

I don't know if Paragon or Renegading Garrus changes the order.

I preferred the system in ME2 better. Why should the squadmate change their opinion simply because Shepard needs both a devil and an angel on his shoulders?

Someone came up with the list somewhere before. (I bet it was Ecael, too.) Paragon Ashley, I believe, does not advocate saving the Council. Normally she even speaks against it even more so than Wrex. Kaidan, however, does advocate saving the Council before Liara does. And Renegade Kaidan will advocate leaving them to die in, I believe, a very "what have they ever done for us" manner.

Don't know if paragon or renegade Garrus will change the order on the list. It doesn't really have much to do with human opinion on aliens, though, like the Kaidan and Ashley conversations do.

..huh? I've had her tell me to save them before now, with Wrex as the counterpoint argument (irony mode: was planning to let them die too)

[Pacifien]

Hmm. I'll just have to find the post about the decisions in ME1. I know I have it wrong, just don't know where I have it wrong.

[Steel Dancer]

I have no idea if all of this makes a difference, but she was also an LI as well as being paragoned.

Oh, ermmm back on topic..

Head tilt Garrus!

Modifié par Steel Dancer, 29 juin 2010 - 01:48 .