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Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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#6402
Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:01
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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I don't think Wrex hates Garrus. Or vice versa. The one unique convo they have that isn't a regurgitation of the other squaddies, Wrex doesn't sound hateful, he sounds tiredly tolerant. "Go home, kid, before you learn something," isn't a hateful thing to say, and he doesn't even sound particularly irritated, just bored at Garrus' attitude.
Grunt doesn't seem to remember that Garrus is a turian. It's like he's decided Garrus is an extension of Shepard, or something.
What about that stuff about a krogan obstetrician's office at the rachni queen? And then there is a confrontation if you have them with you when you talk to Avina about the krogan rebellions. And then in ME2 you've got Wrex's "I don't care what aliens call it" complete with dismissive hand wave. He acts like he can't even be bothered to recall Garrus' name.
I don't know, I've never heard those conversations. I still don't think it's hatred. More like tolerance on Wrex's behalf.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:24
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Dismissive != hatred. If Wrex hated Garrus, he'd brawl him. To Wrex, with his lifespan and what his species has gone through, a younger turian like Garrus is just kind of a n00b.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:27
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How old is Wrex anyway? Heh, he could be like 1000 years older than Garrus, right?
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:29
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I think he's 300-400. I think he's actually old enough to have been alive when the turians joined the Council races.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:31
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Sialater wrote...
Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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I don't think Wrex hates Garrus. Or vice versa. The one unique convo they have that isn't a regurgitation of the other squaddies, Wrex doesn't sound hateful, he sounds tiredly tolerant. "Go home, kid, before you learn something," isn't a hateful thing to say, and he doesn't even sound particularly irritated, just bored at Garrus' attitude.
Grunt doesn't seem to remember that Garrus is a turian. It's like he's decided Garrus is an extension of Shepard, or something.
What about that stuff about a krogan obstetrician's office at the rachni queen? And then there is a confrontation if you have them with you when you talk to Avina about the krogan rebellions. And then in ME2 you've got Wrex's "I don't care what aliens call it" complete with dismissive hand wave. He acts like he can't even be bothered to recall Garrus' name.
I don't know, I've never heard those conversations. I still don't think it's hatred. More like tolerance on Wrex's behalf.
I don't think it's hatred of the hot and fiery kind. More like entrenched resignation and resentment. Like an old timer from the World War II days that grumbles about Japanese cars. Wrex is extremely world weary in ME1, or at least that's how I saw him. He had given up. "That's why I left and that's why I'll never go back." He seems to have changed his mind in ME2 based on what he experienced with Shepard. Shep has that effect on people. So maybe he could come out of his turian resentment a little but I doubt it. I don't think Saren improved his opinion on turians too much either. I think he just saw that it was possible to help his people and that gave him hope. I don't think he really changed his opinions. I mean he wanted to focus on breeding even back in Jarred's days long before he met Shep. It's not that Wrex and Garrus hate each other. It's more like they are never going to be capable of more than gruff professionalism, and so I don't see Wrex helping Garrus get over preconceptions he might have about the krogan. Wrex might convince Garrus that krogan had a few more brains than he thought. He even says something like that flat out, but I don't see him chaning his mind much on the ethics of the genophage or his general attitude towards krogan. I think he did actively change his opinion on the quarians, however.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:34
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Maybe we're dancing around semantics here, but resignation and resentment do not equal hatred for me either.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:35
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Maybe we're dancing around semantics here, but resignation and resentment do not equal hatred for me either.
When did I ever say that Wrex hated Garrus? I didn't say that. I said he had a disregard and dislike for turians in general.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:38
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Basically, what I'm saying is that Garrus and Wrex don't like each other and I don't think that changed as of ME2.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:44
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I think it's grudging respect, or Garrus would be a lot grumpier on Tuchanka. 
And Wrex a lot ruder.
And Wrex a lot ruder.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:45
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I don't think Wrex realy hates anyone anymore. In his youth he probably did hate most things kind of like Grunt does. In ME1 he was too old, wise, intelligent and has seen too much to care about petty vendettas. He doesn't see any point in being nice either so he has no reason not to be blunt against Garrus and everyone else. He probably sees Garrus like Shepard: just another young hothead that thinks they know everything. Nothing worth getting concerned about. But at the same time he is probably the one who sees Garrus skills and potential (no not like that!) better than most.
I miss adventuring with Garrus and Wrex. They must both be back in ME3.
I miss adventuring with Garrus and Wrex. They must both be back in ME3.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:47
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I'd rather Wrex save the krogan. It's far more important than watching my Sheps' backsides.
Oh, get your minds out of the gutter.
Oh, get your minds out of the gutter.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 09:57
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I don't think there is grudging respect there. I could maybe see Garrus respecting Wrex a little as he openly states that Wrex surprised him. He also still expresses amazement that Wrex backed down on Virmire. Doesn't he even flat out ask if he can still be trusted before Shep talks him down? I know somebody does, but I can't remember who it was. It might have been Ashley. And I would say his amazement afterwards is largely directed at Shepard not at Wrex because he had a notion that a krogan couldn't be talked down, so to him Shep talking down a krogan is about like butting a hole in a dam with one's head. I don't think it taught him anything about krogan. I think it just wowed him about Shepard's "superhuman" feat.
And I don't think Wrex will have respect for Garus because he is a turian and because Wrex thinks he is green, unapologetic, and naive. He might could change his opinion about ME2 Garrus, but he never really knows "Archangel." I think he still thinks of Garrus as he was in ME1. And I think Wrex is quite dismissive of Garrus on Tuchanka in a "can't be bothered" kind of way. Plus, I don't think Garrus would be provocative because I don't think he's got a direct grudge against Wrex. More like a quiet "krogan are unpredictable and feral and I'm keeping my eyes peeled" attitude. Garrus doesn't get emotive unless he has an active grudge against a specific person. Otherwise, he just lets Shep handle things. Doesn't mean he's thrilled about a particular situation, however.
And another thing, any time I become tiresome on a topic let me know. I obviously love to debate and analyze but I appreciate other people might get sick of it. I enjoy doing it, but any time anybody wants me to drop something and move on to some other topic then I don't mind doing so. I get most people don't like to butt heads (in a friendly way of course:P) as much as I do.
And I don't think Wrex will have respect for Garus because he is a turian and because Wrex thinks he is green, unapologetic, and naive. He might could change his opinion about ME2 Garrus, but he never really knows "Archangel." I think he still thinks of Garrus as he was in ME1. And I think Wrex is quite dismissive of Garrus on Tuchanka in a "can't be bothered" kind of way. Plus, I don't think Garrus would be provocative because I don't think he's got a direct grudge against Wrex. More like a quiet "krogan are unpredictable and feral and I'm keeping my eyes peeled" attitude. Garrus doesn't get emotive unless he has an active grudge against a specific person. Otherwise, he just lets Shep handle things. Doesn't mean he's thrilled about a particular situation, however.
And another thing, any time I become tiresome on a topic let me know. I obviously love to debate and analyze but I appreciate other people might get sick of it. I enjoy doing it, but any time anybody wants me to drop something and move on to some other topic then I don't mind doing so. I get most people don't like to butt heads (in a friendly way of course:P) as much as I do.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:00
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I guess I'm just not as wowed with Wrex's "wisdom" as many other people are. I think Wrex has a genuine chip on his shoulder. He's just too resigned to be fiery about it in ME1 and too old and wise to be confrontational about it in ME2. Wrex is still a krogan. He's just a wiser, more experienced one.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:01
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I don't mind arguing, but I'll have to leave for a baseball game before we can come to a resolution.
I think that by the time Saren shoots himself in the head, every member of your team has at least gotten their stick out of their rear ends with regards to each other. Whether that extends to every member of their respective species.... I doubt it.
I think that by the time Saren shoots himself in the head, every member of your team has at least gotten their stick out of their rear ends with regards to each other. Whether that extends to every member of their respective species.... I doubt it.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:08
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I think by the end of the game, everybody has a healthy enough respect for Shepard that they are willing to shove their personal issues and work together. I don't think that means they start liking each other. Shep is just a really good leader. Think of Miranda and Jack. They hate each other. And they don't ever get over it. They just shelve it for mutual respect for Shepard. Look at when Shep died. Her team promptly scattered to the four winds. Think what Joker says "We were YOUR team, Commander. Wasn't much keeping us together after you died." Shepard was the glue. I don't think Ashley ever got comfortable with Garrus or Wrex. Look how fast she will shoot him. Likewise on Virmire, Garrus calls Kaidan by his first name but he calls Ashley "Williams." To me that implies he got friendly with the one but never with the other. I don't think any of the ME1 squad actively hates another, but I think there is some discomfort and resentment brewing under the surface.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:19
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Sialater wrote:
Oh, get your minds out of the gutter.
I'm sorry...now you're just asking too much of me!!
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:31
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kglaser wrote...
Sialater wrote:
Oh, get your minds out of the gutter.
I'm sorry...now you're just asking too much of me!!
without the gutter, my mind would be homeless!
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:34
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XD
Man, I have to say it again....you girls are just as bad as us guys sometimes!
(Feeds the gutterkin moar Garrus)
Man, I have to say it again....you girls are just as bad as us guys sometimes!
(Feeds the gutterkin moar Garrus)
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:37
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Andaius20 wrote...
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Man, I have to say it again....you girls arejust as bad asworse than us guyssometimesmost of the time!
fixed it for ya :innocent:
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:39
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J4N3_M3 wrote...
Andaius20 wrote...
XD
Man, I have to say it again....you girls arejust as bad asworse than us guyssometimesmost of the time!
fixed it for ya :innocent:
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:44
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In my experience women really do tend to be worse than men. We just don't let people see as often. But it manifests online in the form of stuff like Garrus threads and slash fanfic. Anonymity can be a wonderful scary thing sometimes.
Men tend to think "I'd hit that" and then at most watch some porn and get it out of their system. Women tend to think "I'd hit that" and then proceed to describe exactly how they would hit that in long graphic purple prose while ogling fanart and secretly wishing turians were real. Or so it seems anyway.
Men tend to think "I'd hit that" and then at most watch some porn and get it out of their system. Women tend to think "I'd hit that" and then proceed to describe exactly how they would hit that in long graphic purple prose while ogling fanart and secretly wishing turians were real. Or so it seems anyway.
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:45
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
In my experience women really do tend to be worse than men. We just don't let people see as often. But it manifests online in the form of stuff like Garrus threads and slash fanfic. Anonymity can be awonderfulscary thing sometimes.
Oh so this is like girl talk reveled?
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Posté 31 juillet 2010 - 10:46
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I read... somewhere (ME Wiki? Don't know) that Wrex is about 1200 years old.
Back on topic... Garrus.
Edit: It's more like 1100 years. I added a century thanks to "The Hundred Year Distance".
Right. Back to packing. Sometimes, you really can go home again. It's just that you may not want to....
Back on topic... Garrus.
Edit: It's more like 1100 years. I added a century thanks to "The Hundred Year Distance".
Right. Back to packing. Sometimes, you really can go home again. It's just that you may not want to....
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