Bioware had some really interesting developments with Garrus. On one hand, he's loosened up a bit. In ME1, for example, he wouldn't ever dare of taking a few playful jabs at Shepard (and to a lesser degree, some other squad mates). In ME2 he does it quite leisurely. On the other hand, in ME1 he's more open with his problems or his frustrations. I kind of get the feeling that Shepard was one of the only people he's tried talking to about them and would actually hear him out.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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On this note, who do you think Garrus does not like among the squad, if anyone?
I don't think he hates anybody, but I don't think he trusts Wrex or Miranda. I also think he has "cool but professional" dealings with Ashley. I see him getting on well with Tali, Kaidan, and Thane. The others I think he is somewhere in between the "colleague and friend" area with. I think Garrus is kinda private, hanging out in the main battery all the time so I don't know how why he gets to know the ME2 crew.
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I don't think Wrex likes Garrus either, but I don't think he hates him. To me, he seems like the type who doesn't like anyone until they prove themselves to be worthy of his respect. It means a lot for him to consider Shepard a friend. If he knew about Garrus' time on Omega, holding off three merc groups, fighting off a krogan battlemaster, and surviving a rocket to the face, Wrex would at least respect his skill, and maybe start to respect him too. (And because I agree about Wrex having a general dislike of turians and salarians, now I wonder how he would react to Mordin. Not well, I bet.)
For the squadmates Garrus probably doesn't like, I would guess Ashley and Miranda. I'm not sure if he knows Ashley's opinions about aliens (he should have been standing close enough to hear), but if he did, he definitely wouldn't agree with it. He might even be insulted by it. And he makes it clear that he at least doesn't trust Miranda with his comment to her before the suicide mission if Jack's not around to speak out against her being team leader.
This I agree with 100% on both Wrex and the stuff about the squaddies. When Garrus is on Horizon with you he calls Kaidan by his first name but he calls Ashley "Williams." It's a small detail but I think a meaningful one.
:PHa, I really do like to run my fool head. If you guys ever put an officer title for me in Clan V, I think it should be "Resident Quarian" or "Never Shuts Up.":P
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Bioware had some really interesting developments with Garrus. On one hand, he's loosened up a bit. In ME1, for example, he wouldn't ever dare of taking a few playful jabs at Shepard (and to a lesser degree, some other squad mates). In ME2 he does it quite leisurely. On the other hand, in ME1 he's more open with his problems or his frustrations. I kind of get the feeling that Shepard was one of the only people he's tried talking to about them and would actually hear him out.
I think his reluctance to speak about his problems in ME2 comes from two things. One, he got used to being a leader and a leader can't burden his underlings with his problems all the time. In fact, he is kinda the one who is supposed to help them deal with theirs. He has to fight his own demons and I think he just got used to keeping it to himself. I think the other reason is that he meets back up with Shepard and is maybe a little nervous what she might think of him after she mentored him. It's kind of a bad time for Shep to walk back in right at the moment of his biggest failure. I think he doesn't want to burden anybody or derail the mission, and I don't think he wants Shepard to think he is weak and unable to do things on his own. He is proud of what he did and if she had walked in two weeks earlier I think he might have puffed his chest a little. As things stand, his mentor picks a somewhat bad time to check in on his progress. (Well, good in that she saved his life. Bad, in that everything had fallen to pieces for him at that moment.)
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I could see Garrus having a shaky relationship with Zaeed at best.
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I could see Garrus having a shaky relationship with Zaeed at best.
I could as well given that Zaeed is a former Blue Sons merc. And his thing at the refinery.
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I didn't realize that Garrus called her "Williams" on Horizon, probably because I've only seen it once on youtube. (I don't have a playthrough where I saved Ashley yet.) Thanks for pointing that out. It does say a lot that Garrus calls Kaidan by his first name, but not Ashley. If I remember correctly, Kaidan even has a higher rank than Ashley?
I think Garrus and Kaidan would agree about their views of turians/humans, judging them on an individual level rather than having one opinion of the whole species. I liked what Kaidan said about Vyrnnus and other turians - "they're jerks and saints, just like us." Garrus probably feels the same way about humans.
I think Garrus and Kaidan would agree about their views of turians/humans, judging them on an individual level rather than having one opinion of the whole species. I liked what Kaidan said about Vyrnnus and other turians - "they're jerks and saints, just like us." Garrus probably feels the same way about humans.
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Also, I agree with this. That first part fits really well for some of my Shepards too. (Another thing Garrus learned from Shepard, perhaps?)Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I think his reluctance to speak about his problems in ME2 comes from two things. One, he got used to being a leader and a leader can't burden his underlings with his problems all the time. In fact, he is kinda the one who is supposed to help them deal with theirs. He has to fight his own demons and I think he just got used to keeping it to himself. I think the other reason is that he meets back up with Shepard and is maybe a little nervous what she might think of him after she mentored him. It's kind of a bad time for Shep to walk back in right at the moment of his biggest failure. I think he doesn't want to burden anybody or derail the mission, and I don't think he wants Shepard to think he is weak and unable to do things on his own. He is proud of what he did and if she had walked in two weeks earlier I think he might have puffed his chest a little. As things stand, his mentor picks a somewhat bad time to check in on his progress. (Well, good in that she saved his life. Bad, in that everything had fallen to pieces for him at that moment.)
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I didn't realize that Garrus called her "Williams" on Horizon, probably because I've only seen it once on youtube. (I don't have a playthrough where I saved Ashley yet.) Thanks for pointing that out. It does say a lot that Garrus calls Kaidan by his first name, but not Ashley. If I remember correctly, Kaidan even has a higher rank than Ashley?
I think Garrus and Kaidan would agree about their views of turians/humans, judging them on an individual level rather than having one opinion of the whole species. I liked what Kaidan said about Vyrnnus and other turians - "they're jerks and saints, just like us." Garrus probably feels the same way about humans.
Yea, I'd say so given his opinions of Harkin and Shepard, respectively.
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Kaidan is a Staff Lieutenant in ME1 and a Staff Commander in ME2. Ashley is a Gunny Sergeant in one and a Chief Operations Officer (I think the nearest IRL equivalent is Warrant Officer) in ME2.
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yea, I think despite Saleon and Sidonis, Garrus would try to save the workers.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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I could see Garrus having a shaky relationship with Zaeed at best.
I could as well given that Zaeed is a former Blue Sons merc. And his thing at the refinery.
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I think he understands the idea of revenge, but with Sidonis he is seeking revenge for his men and not putting innocent people at risk. Zaeed's revenge is more about his own dignity. Strangely enough if you paragon him in ME1, Garrus actually admits that his thing with Saleon was mostly because "he got away from me." I think Garrus was proud in ME1, at least a little. I think ME2 humbled him in many ways. He grew a lot in those two years. The transition is quite astounding and large if you think about it.
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Posté 01 août 2010 - 10:59
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Garrus would never sacrifice innocent people to kill Sidonis or Saleon. Zaeed...well, you know.
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I think ME1 Garrus might. Now I don't think he would sacrifice people for a personal vendetta, but if the only way he could get Saleon was a to let a few hostages die, I think ME1 Garrus might do it. ME2 Garrus, I'm not as sure about.
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Man, I like that femshep's armor. That looks cool. I got to remember that next time I play ME2.
And Andaius, you like to pick on Zaeed don't you?
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With Saleon I think Garrus saw the hostages as already dead. To him, it was either you let Saleon go and those people die torturous deaths later, or you take down Saleon now and spare his hostages the pain.
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There are a lot of weird similarities between Zaeed's loyalty mission and Saren's little rampage through the refinery in the first novel.
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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Man, I like that femshep's armor. That looks cool. I got to remember that next time I play ME2.
And Andaius, you like to pick on Zaeed don't you?
I alwasy liek to pick the Lower left, option first.
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Also Glad you like the armor set up, Was trying for a "stormtrooper" scheme. 
A shot before the talky for anyoen who might want it.
A shot before the talky for anyoen who might want it.
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That's exactly what I thought too. This fits especially well when Garrus talks about not burdening the squad in the romance.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
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Bioware had some really interesting developments with Garrus. On one hand, he's loosened up a bit. In ME1, for example, he wouldn't ever dare of taking a few playful jabs at Shepard (and to a lesser degree, some other squad mates). In ME2 he does it quite leisurely. On the other hand, in ME1 he's more open with his problems or his frustrations. I kind of get the feeling that Shepard was one of the only people he's tried talking to about them and would actually hear him out.
I think his reluctance to speak about his problems in ME2 comes from two things. One, he got used to being a leader and a leader can't burden his underlings with his problems all the time. In fact, he is kinda the one who is supposed to help them deal with theirs. He has to fight his own demons and I think he just got used to keeping it to himself.
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With Saleon I think Garrus saw the hostages as already dead. To him, it was either you let Saleon go and those people die torturous deaths later, or you take down Saleon now and spare his hostages the pain.
I can see that. But there was also the fact that the ship might crash into the Citadel and kill innocent people who just happened to be walking around. I do agree, however, that that is the only evidence I know of that we've got in ME1 of how he might act and Saleon was a sore point for him so maybe it isn't the best example.
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But there was also the fact that the ship might crash into the Citadel and kill innocent people who just happened to be walking around.
Ah, true, I had forgotten about that. But as you said, in ME2 Garrus is different. He does, IIRC, specifically state that his merc band goes out of their way to avoid civilian casualties.
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Garrus definitely wouldn't do something like setting the refinery on fire, but if it was already done... I'm not sure what he would do. He was willing to go after Saleon even though shooting him down would put people on the Citadel in danger. It might depend on whether Shepard took the Paragon or Renegade path with him.
Also, Zaeed's loyalty mission is one of the DLCs I miss the most. It does remind me of Saren in Revelation.
Also, Zaeed's loyalty mission is one of the DLCs I miss the most. It does remind me of Saren in Revelation.
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Wrex is a rather amoral character, the krogans are in general realy. And krogans are not nice people from a human perspective. He is not as jaded he seems though. He still cares about the fate of the krogan people.Sialater wrote...
I'm not giving Wrex morality. I may be giving him a sense of humor he may not have...
Garrus is quite the opposite, a fiercely idealisting young hothead. Wrex and Garrus will probably at most tolerate eachothers.
