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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:17

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Kim Shepard wrote...

Garrus definitely wouldn't do something like setting the refinery on fire, but if it was already done... I'm not sure what he would do. He was willing to go after Saleon even though shooting him down would put people on the Citadel in danger. It might depend on whether Shepard took the Paragon or Renegade path with him.

Also, Zaeed's loyalty mission is one of the DLCs I miss the most. It does remind me of Saren in Revelation. :)


I think the difference is that with Zaeed it was a personal vendetta.  Garrus goes after people he thinks are dangerous and have to be stopped.  In his view if you let that person get away more people will die in the long term so it's better to sacrifice a few now.   Well, except Sidonis, but he didn't put anybody in danger over that.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:25

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I don't think he thought about the innocent civilians on the Citadel. Just like when he shot the thug holding Dr. Michel hostage, he "didn't think," he, "just reacted."



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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:26

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Zaeed Says after you do his loyalty mission something like " Killing Vido was a good thing, it may not seem like it at the time but in the long run it solves more problems then it caused."

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Sialater wrote...

I don't think he thought about the innocent civilians on the Citadel. Just like when he shot the thug holding Dr. Michel hostage, he "didn't think," he, "just reacted."


Come to think, this makes sense.  I can see this.  He is a hothead.  Huh, that potentially shifts a few things around.  So he became less impulsive and more...contemplative in ME2?  I guess he would have to if he is leading a squad.  He has to start thinking with his head and not just his heart.

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Zaeed Says after you do his loyalty mission something like " Killing Vido was a good thing, it may not seem like it at the time but in the long run it solves more problems then it caused."


Yea, he also calls batarians "goddamn terrorists" and has that story about the little girl his team picked up.  I don't think Zaeed is heartless, but I think the "good" of killing Vido was just a side affect of his revenge.  I don't think it was a primary motivator for him.  If anything I could see him saying that to Shep so that Shep has a good reason for going along with it.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:32

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Agreed - killing Vido for Zaeed was not about doing something good, it was about getting revenge.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:33

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I know this wasn't Zaeed's reason for going after him, but technically, isn't Vido also dangerous to others? (Obviously, I don't know him as well as you guys who played through the mission. I thought he was a merc leader though?)

And luckily for those innocent bystanders in Garrus' loyalty mission, he's a really good shot. xD They were pretty close to Sidonis too.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:36

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Zaeed Says after you do his loyalty mission something like " Killing Vido was a good thing, it may not seem like it at the time but in the long run it solves more problems then it caused."


Yea, he also calls batarians "goddamn terrorists" and has that story about the little girl his team picked up.  I don't think Zaeed is heartless, but I think the "good" of killing Vido was just a side affect of his revenge.  I don't think it was a primary motivator for him.  If anything I could see him saying that to Shep so that Shep has a good reason for going along with it.

Zaeed thinks batarians are all "goddamn terrorists"? And there's a story about a little girl? Can someone tell me the story?

It's starting to seem like MainShep and Zaeed would get along really well. Too bad she didn't get to meet him.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:37

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't think he thought about the innocent civilians on the Citadel. Just like when he shot the thug holding Dr. Michel hostage, he "didn't think," he, "just reacted."


Come to think, this makes sense.  I can see this.  He is a hothead.  Huh, that potentially shifts a few things around.  So he became less impulsive and more...contemplative in ME2?  I guess he would have to if he is leading a squad.  He has to start thinking with his head and not just his heart.


Yes.  He thinks before he acts more often than not, or he'd take out Sidonis the minute he saw him, no matter what Shep said.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:37

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He picked up a little girl that escaped from batarian slavers in one story.



But he also strapped down another woman with grenades and purposefully sent her into an enemy bunker. The man is probably one of the more amoral people you recruit.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:42

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Kim Shepard wrote...

I know this wasn't Zaeed's reason for going after him, but technically, isn't Vido also dangerous to others? (Obviously, I don't know him as well as you guys who played through the mission. I thought he was a merc leader though?)

And luckily for those innocent bystanders in Garrus' loyalty mission, he's a really good shot. xD They were pretty close to Sidonis too.


Vido is the Leader of the Blue suns Merc band. Originally held by Zaeed. (Zaeed says he lead the men while Vido did the books.) Vido betrayed Zaeed had somethign liek 5 of his men hold him down while vido shot him in the head.

Also Kelly says "Zaeeds suprisingly well adjusted for someone that seen the thigns he's seen for so long." or something like I also agree that the hiring of Batarians in the blue suns was a bad move. Zaeed is nothing if not practical, Yeah the mission was about killing Vido, but he did see that it would be lots more benifical for him to be dead at the cost of a few workers then to be let go.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:43

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mrsph wrote...

He picked up a little girl that escaped from batarian slavers in one story.

But he also strapped down another woman with grenades and purposefully sent her into an enemy bunker. The man is probably one of the more amoral people you recruit.


Did they have specifics on the woman? I mean Shepard kills mountains of bad guys. many in Horrible ways.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:45

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Kim Shepard wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Zaeed Says after you do his loyalty mission something like " Killing Vido was a good thing, it may not seem like it at the time but in the long run it solves more problems then it caused."


Yea, he also calls batarians "goddamn terrorists" and has that story about the little girl his team picked up.  I don't think Zaeed is heartless, but I think the "good" of killing Vido was just a side affect of his revenge.  I don't think it was a primary motivator for him.  If anything I could see him saying that to Shep so that Shep has a good reason for going along with it.

Zaeed thinks batarians are all "goddamn terrorists"? And there's a story about a little girl? Can someone tell me the story?

It's starting to seem like MainShep and Zaeed would get along really well. Too bad she didn't get to meet him.


Joker: Zaeed? Well he's just like you, only takes checks. Glad I'm not paying the bill." - to shepard when asked about the team yo uwent out on last mission.

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Kim Shepard wrote...

I know this wasn't Zaeed's reason for going after him, but technically, isn't Vido also dangerous to others? (Obviously, I don't know him as well as you guys who played through the mission. I thought he was a merc leader though?)

And luckily for those innocent bystanders in Garrus' loyalty mission, he's a really good shot. xD They were pretty close to Sidonis too.


Yes, Vido is horrid.  We have evidence in game that he is a slaver and pirate among other things.  Killing him is doing the galaxy a favor.  However, I'd also have to add that the Blue Suns seem pretty nasty in general so if you killed him I think some other nasty bastard would just take his place.  If there had been some option to put Zaeed back in charge of the whole thing, I'd have been more tempted to kill Vido.  That might have been worth a few lives.

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mrsph wrote...

He picked up a little girl that escaped from batarian slavers in one story.

But he also strapped down another woman with grenades and purposefully sent her into an enemy bunker. The man is probably one of the more amoral people you recruit.


Zaeed also calls that a "horrible thing" but he still went along with it so yea, not a nice guy.  I agree.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:49

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Thanks for the info, everyone. :)

Not only would Zaeed get along well with MainShep... it sounds like he would be my favorite human squamate, possibly one of my favorite characters from what I've read about him. (BioWare, please release the DLC on disc. xD)

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:52

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

mrsph wrote...

He picked up a little girl that escaped from batarian slavers in one story.

But he also strapped down another woman with grenades and purposefully sent her into an enemy bunker. The man is probably one of the more amoral people you recruit.


Zaeed also calls that a "horrible thing" but he still went along with it so yea, not a nice guy.  I agree.


this goes to what I've been saysing he's practical, he is under no illusions that sometiems doing bad things is the best way to end it the most efficiant way. The whole "you have to break soem eggs to make some omlets thing. Zaeed doesn't go out of his way to kill bystanders. However those innocent bystanders wont make him pause thinking of there safety when he has a mission to be completed.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:54

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Kim Shepard wrote...

Thanks for the info, everyone. :)

Not only would Zaeed get along well with MainShep... it sounds like he would be my favorite human squamate, possibly one of my favorite characters from what I've read about him. (BioWare, please release the DLC on disc. xD)


Kim are you on the PC? I forget sorry. I'm guessing not since he's free DL.

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Posté 01 août 2010 - 11:59

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I support Garrus, cause I plan on going with him instead of Kaiden in ME2. Can't do the game without a love interest. Plus Garrus' voice is pretty awesome.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:02

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Isabelle Mortello wrote...

I support Garrus, cause I plan on going with him instead of Kaiden in ME2. Can't do the game without a love interest. Plus Garrus' voice is pretty awesome.


You are a genius and savant and you speak the truth.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:04

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Couldn't do a F!Shepard playthrough of ME2 without romancing Garrus =p

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:07

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Isabelle Mortello wrote...

I support Garrus, cause I plan on going with him instead of Kaiden in ME2. Can't do the game without a love interest. Plus Garrus' voice is pretty awesome.


You are a genius and savant and you speak the truth.


OMG! This is the best support thread eva! :wub:

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:08

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Couldn't do a F!Shepard playthrough of ME2 without romancing Garrus =p


I have not the will.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:09

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Andaius20 wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Thanks for the info, everyone. :)

Not only would Zaeed get along well with MainShep... it sounds like he would be my favorite human squamate, possibly one of my favorite characters from what I've read about him. (BioWare, please release the DLC on disc. xD)


Kim are you on the PC? I forget sorry. I'm guessing not since he's free DL.

Nope, I have the Xbox version. I just don't connect my Xbox online, so I don't Xbox Live/Cerberus Network, which means no DLC. I would buy the DLC on disc if I could, even if the downloadable version is free.

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this goes to what I've been saysing he's practical, he is under no illusions that sometiems doing bad things is the best way to end it the most efficiant way. The whole "you have to break soem eggs to make some omlets thing. Zaeed doesn't go out of his way to kill bystanders. However those innocent bystanders wont make him pause thinking of there safety when he has a mission to be completed.


The problem with Zaeed is that a lot of his jobs are just mercenary contracts.  Shep and Garrus are mostly fighting for the "betterment of society" or "galactic safety" or something like that.  Yes, I know that sounds very vague.  I trust you guys will get what I mean.  Zaeed meanwhile will take contracts that just involve coporate takeovers or squabbles between merc groups or local warlords or whatever.  His mission isn't vital for anything except his paycheck and his employer's profits or status.  Garrus and Shep are trying to save people or the galaxy so the egg analogy applies to them I think.  For them, I think consequentialism is warranted.  I don't think it is warranted for Zaeed that often however because I have a feeling the only ultimate consequences of his actions most of the time are that he gets paid.  Sacrificing people is not valid there for me.  Practical sure but not valid.  And again, I don't hate Zaeed or Wrex.  I think they are great characters.  I just don't think they are good role models or anything.  I think they are subject to a little of Draco in Leather Pants:  http://tvtropes.org/...oInLeatherPants

I admit in this case people aren't fishing for them to be LIs and they aren't really pure "villains" but I think people want them to be more admirable than they really are.  They are interesting and cool and badass and funny.  Their opinions are understandable.  They are realistic in their mix of good and evil.  All that is true.  Doesn't mean they are nice guys and that a lot of what they do isn't quite unethical.  I don't dislike these characters.  I dislike their morality.  Does that make sense?

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