I frequent the other character threads and I can say easily that the Garrus thread is the most awesome.
Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:26
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On an interesting side not, I was playing ME1 last night and I didn't recruit Garrus before Fist just to see what happens. I knew he came and waited for you by the elevator to the docks but I didn't know what he said. Turns out he quit C-Sec even if you don't bring him along. In fact, it almost looks like he largely quits on the off chance that you might bring him along. I mean what's he gonna do if you don't bring him along? I guess he figures anything is better than C-Sec. Yea, that's pretty darn impulsive.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:36
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Over the weekend I had a revelation of sorts about Garrus on Omega, a terrible terrible revelation. I'm sure someone else might have had this feeling too and it might have been discussed on the boards before but I wanted to bring it up here and get some opinions.
In regard to the massacre of his team - what we know is that Sidonis was under duress from the various mercenary groups when he sold information on the vigilante group to save himself. Technically he played no part in the actual act so wasn't privy to who did the actually killings or how it was orchestrated based on his information. AND even though Garrus's team had caused enough mayhem amongst the merc groups for them to act alone in seeking retribution what if they had help?
By this I mean - from Cerberus.
I dont want to sound like a conspiracy theory nut about this but I have a darkening shadow over me regarding the possible role of Cerberus. We know Cerberus sends Shepard to Omega for Archangel's recruitment - but they may have thought that it might only happen if there were no others involved - the only way for Garrus to abandon his team was for their convienient "removal" he'd no longer have allegiences, he would be despondant about his failure to make an impact against crime, and would want to seek revenge on Sidonis - facilitating him leaving Omega with Shepard.
Thoughts?
In regard to the massacre of his team - what we know is that Sidonis was under duress from the various mercenary groups when he sold information on the vigilante group to save himself. Technically he played no part in the actual act so wasn't privy to who did the actually killings or how it was orchestrated based on his information. AND even though Garrus's team had caused enough mayhem amongst the merc groups for them to act alone in seeking retribution what if they had help?
By this I mean - from Cerberus.
I dont want to sound like a conspiracy theory nut about this but I have a darkening shadow over me regarding the possible role of Cerberus. We know Cerberus sends Shepard to Omega for Archangel's recruitment - but they may have thought that it might only happen if there were no others involved - the only way for Garrus to abandon his team was for their convienient "removal" he'd no longer have allegiences, he would be despondant about his failure to make an impact against crime, and would want to seek revenge on Sidonis - facilitating him leaving Omega with Shepard.
Thoughts?
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:44
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The more I read about Cerberus, the more I think they would be capable of anything. A horrifying thought, but interesting, Buggirl.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:45
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Buggirl70 wrote...
Over the weekend I had a revelation of sorts about Garrus on Omega, a terrible terrible revelation. I'm sure someone else might have had this feeling too and it might have been discussed on the boards before but I wanted to bring it up here and get some opinions.
In regard to the massacre of his team - what we know is that Sidonis was under duress from the various mercenary groups when he sold information on the vigilante group to save himself. Technically he played no part in the actual act so wasn't privy to who did the actually killings or how it was orchestrated based on his information. AND even though Garrus's team had caused enough mayhem amongst the merc groups for them to act alone in seeking retribution what if they had help?
By this I mean - from Cerberus.
I dont want to sound like a conspiracy theory nut about this but I have a darkening shadow over me regarding the possible role of Cerberus. We know Cerberus sends Shepard to Omega for Archangel's recruitment - but they may have thought that it might only happen if there were no others involved - the only way for Garrus to abandon his team was for their convienient "removal" he'd no longer have allegiences, he would be despondant about his failure to make an impact against crime, and would want to seek revenge on Sidonis - facilitating him leaving Omega with Shepard.
Thoughts?
I wouldn't put such a thing past Cerberus. However, I don't think they did this. I can't prove it one way or the other, however. That I freely admit. I would add, however, that if they did do this and Shepard/Garrus found out it probably wouldn't end well so maybe the Illusive Man figures it isn't worth the risk. I do think there is a good possibility that the Illusive Man knew who Archangel was however or was at the very least suspicious. We know for a fact that he has withheld information from Shepard when he deemed it prudent. However, I also don't know what he would gain from withholding such information from Shepard, other than he seems to express a general reluctance for Shep to get hew old team back together. Even with Tali. "I'll need more intel before I'll commit to that." He probably wanted to make sure he had Shep under control before he started revealing the locations of various sqaudmates. The only squaddies he expressly reveals the location of are Liara and Wrex and those too are the ones most wrapped up in their own affairs and least likely to join Shep. With Virmire survivor there was potential romance and the other two are willing to join. I don't know if TIM could have anticipated that but it wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, I think he wanted to implant his own foundation before he let Shep start building a team. Does that make sense? And he might have been skeptical of Garrus trusting Cerberus because he was a turian. This is all speculation. I admit it. It's just a suspicion of mine.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:46
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I would have posted sooner, but I was looking at tvtropes. Every time I look at that website, I keep clicking all the links and assigning tropes to characters.
@Collider: I've read the other character threads, and I agree that the Garrus thread is the most awesome.
I feel the same way about some of the other characters, except that I dislike them but still think they're deep, realistic characters. The same things you mentioned are some of the reasons why I like Wrex and Zaeed. I have one FemShep who would want Zaeed to be a romance option though... xDRagabul the Ontarah wrote...
I admit in this case people aren't fishing for them to be LIs and they aren't really pure "villains" but I think people want them to be more admirable than they really are. They are interesting and cool and badass and funny. Their opinions are understandable. They are realistic in their mix of good and evil. All that is true. Doesn't mean they are nice guys and that a lot of what they do isn't quite unethical. I don't dislike these characters. I dislike their morality. Does that make sense?
@Collider: I've read the other character threads, and I agree that the Garrus thread is the most awesome.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:57
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Kim Shepard wrote...
I would have posted sooner, but I was looking at tvtropes. Every time I look at that website, I keep clicking all the links and assigning tropes to characters.
I do this too. I even stick my own characters in tropes. "Badass decay." That's an unfortunate one. They so did that to Wolverine in the X-men movies.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 12:58
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A fun thing we did in the Tali thread was give the regulars a list of tropes that pertain to them.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:00
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We know for a fact that he has withheld information from Shepard when he deemed it prudent. However, I also don't know what he would gain from withholding such information from Shepard, other than he seems to express a general reluctance for Shep to get hew old team back together.
If TIM did know that Archangel was Garrus, then he’d mostly likely guess that having him on board would put Shepard at ease even if he is a turian. I think he says as much in the summary after the recruitment mission.
We know for a fact that he has withheld information from Shepard when he deemed it prudent. However, I also don't know what he would gain from withholding such information from Shepard, other than he seems to express a general reluctance for Shep to get hew old team back together.
If Shepard found out that Cerberus played any part in the massacre, there would be hell to pay. Any “foundation” built by Cerberus would crumble under a revelation such as this so TIM would have a lot of reasons to withhold this information.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:07
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I agree. I almost wish Cerberus did do it. It would give me even more cause to hate them. Specifically for that reason, however, I have to be a little guarded against the idea. I want to hate Cerberus too much. But yea, I wouldn't put it past them. But on that note, why Garrus and Garrus only? Why wouldn't TIM do something similar for all the old squddies especially the ones that used to be Shep's LI? That would really put Shep at ease.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:08
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Collider wrote...
A fun thing we did in the Tali thread was give the regulars a list of tropes that pertain to them.
Haha, this would be fun. I have no idea where to begin because I"m not familiar with many tropes. This one is Miranda, however: http://tvtropes.org/...rostingIceQueen
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:13
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:13
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Perhaps Garrus was the most easily manipulated?
I only speculate on Cerberus, because I almost feel that ME3 may have some terrible reveal coming....
And Collider I read that trope labels given to the group - I lurk in the Tali thread so it made sense to me, it was most amusing.
I only speculate on Cerberus, because I almost feel that ME3 may have some terrible reveal coming....
And Collider I read that trope labels given to the group - I lurk in the Tali thread so it made sense to me, it was most amusing.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:14
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I do wonder when Azint will add me to that...Collider wrote...
A fun thing we did in the Tali thread was give the regulars a list of tropes that pertain to them.
Wait a minute. Wrong thread.
Thanks Cerry!
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:15
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Buggirl70 wrote...
Perhaps Garrus was the most easily manipulated?
I only speculate on Cerberus, because I almost feel that ME3 may have some terrible reveal coming....
And Collider I read that trope labels given to the group - I lurk in the Tali thread so it made sense to me, it was most amusing.
I agree on the terrible reveal being a definite possibility. TIM's evil leer did not make me feel good at the end of ME2. Whatever the case, I don't see TIM quietly receding into the shadows. Such is not his cup of tea.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:17
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I love that picture Runescape! I think that might be my new background.
Here's another potential Garrus trope: http://tvtropes.org/...lessChickMagnet
Here's another potential Garrus trope: http://tvtropes.org/...lessChickMagnet
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:19
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Man, that is spot on.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I love that picture Runescape! I think that might be my new background.
Here's another potential Garrus trope: http://tvtropes.org/...lessChickMagnet
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:22
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:28
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Buggirl, your theory is very very interesting. I could see Cerberus doing that. It's possible that TIM saw the Virmire Survivor and Liara's ties to the Alliance or Shadowbroker respectively as too dangerous for Shepard to recruit them.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:29
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I love that picture Runescape! I think that might be my new background.
Here's another potential Garrus trope: http://tvtropes.org/...lessChickMagnet
Yes!!
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:31
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Liara was too dangerous, the VS was too unlikely.
I'm not convinced Cerberus did anything to cause the deaths of Garrus' squad. I'm also not convinced TIM knew who Garrus was moonlighting as. I think he was lying about Liara, though.
I think the Big Reveal will merely be that they were Alliance all along and never went rogue.
I'm not convinced Cerberus did anything to cause the deaths of Garrus' squad. I'm also not convinced TIM knew who Garrus was moonlighting as. I think he was lying about Liara, though.
I think the Big Reveal will merely be that they were Alliance all along and never went rogue.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:32
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I have a feeling that the TIM comics will answer a few questions but create even more.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:41
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Collider - as we’re given no specific details on the massacre aside from how pissed off the mercs were and how they wanted to put an end to the disruption of their operations – my imagination has gone wild with speculation about a lot of things in the ME universe. I’m hoping that some will play out – but given the enormity of such a task for the writers and developers I suspect that it might only ever graze the surface of some of these ideas that I (and I’m sure others) have.
And Sia - do you think Cerberus are the black op arm of the Alliance?
And Sia - do you think Cerberus are the black op arm of the Alliance?
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 01:43
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I don't think TIM had anything to do with the deaths of Garrus' squad. I think he might have known that Garrus was Archangel though, or at least had an idea.
Also, Crazy Survivalist really reminds me of my current MaleShep's character in ME2. Cerberus makes the Sole Survivor paranoid. "Calm down? I am calm! I am the very picture of calm! And rational, too! Wait a minute... you're one of them!" xD
That's what I'm doing now, with my Shepards. And Calix, but his was easy. No doubt, he's a badass.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Kim Shepard wrote...
I would have posted sooner, but I was looking at tvtropes. Every time I look at that website, I keep clicking all the links and assigning tropes to characters.
I do this too. I even stick my own characters in tropes.
Also, Crazy Survivalist really reminds me of my current MaleShep's character in ME2. Cerberus makes the Sole Survivor paranoid. "Calm down? I am calm! I am the very picture of calm! And rational, too! Wait a minute... you're one of them!" xD
