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Calibrations: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:45

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I wouldn't mind a flirty response in that spot Nil. I'd take that in a heartbeat. I still like the buddy line though and for my Shep it's in character because she isn't considering a romance with him at that point. She's still thinking about Kaidan.


Good point. Since my Garrus!Shep was single, she wouldn't have that problem. But yes, those who have ME1 romances would most likely not flirt.


And as for "consider me seduced" I only think he buys it for a split second and it calms him down which is precisely what Shep wanted. By the time he realizes she was kidding it doesn't matter because he has dropped the whole "seduction" thing anyway. If you don't say that his panic seems to escalate and to me Shep looks like she is just sitting there smiling at his discomfort. It is amusing, but my Shep would want to calm the poor guy down as soon as possible and sweep all that flattery bull**** out of the way. To me, it's her saying "Chill Garrus; it's me. I"m not gonna let lack of good pick up lines screw this up." Garrus gets jokes or at least I think he does with my Shep. I can see how a not so snarky Shep might not say that however.


The thing is, I don't see it as a joking response. I actually think the "you talk too much" achieves "getting the bull****" out of the way better. Because the interrupt itself sounds a lot like bull**** to me. Plus, Shep's tone when she says "you talk too much" sounds more like good-natured snark to me than her tone when she says "consider me seduced".

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:46

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At that point, Meg's still scarred like a Sith Lord. And doesn't know they'll go away if she behaves herself. Why would she worry about Garrus' scars? So, she makes a joke.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:47

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But it's all sarcasm! Your even telling him with a smile on your face!

But sarcasm is just an exaggeration of the truth.  Sugarcoating it would be saying something like "Oh it's not that bad." or "I can hardly tell."  Shep is saying that it's there and noticeable but she doesn't care.  She's not lying.  I think she really believes that.  Why wouldn't Garrus want to hear that?  He even laughs and then proceeds to do something some people construe as flirty.  I don't think she's trying to laugh the problem away.  I think she's saying the scars aren't worth thinking of as a problem at all. 

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:49

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I dunno. The "you talk too much" almost has this haughty predatory thing in it to me. It's all up to interpretation there.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:50

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Where is the "you talk too much" line from?

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:50

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Sialater wrote...

At that point, Meg's still scarred like a Sith Lord. And doesn't know they'll go away if she behaves herself. Why would she worry about Garrus' scars? So, she makes a joke.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't someone (I think it's Chakwas) tell you pretty early on how the scarring works? I seem to remember that you receive an email about them after Freedom's Progress.

Collider wrote...

Where is the "you talk too much" line from?


If you don't take the Paragon interrupt in Garrus' romance scene, choosing to go through with the romance has Shep telling Garrus to calm down and that he's talking too much.

@ Raga: It never struck me as anything but reassuring, but as you say, it's up to personal interpretation.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:51

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I thought the renegade scar thing was stupid. Stuff like that belongs in Star Wars, not ME IMO.

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Collider wrote...

Where is the "you talk too much" line from?


It's what Shep says if you don't take the paragon interrupt in the romance scene.  To me it sounds like amused exasperation.  Like Shep is kinda looking down on Garrus' silliness and inexperience.  I think the paragon interrupt is more companionable.  

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Collider wrote...

I thought the renegade scar thing was stupid. Stuff like that belongs in Star Wars, not ME IMO.


I agree.  Belongs in Fable.  I don't even think it looks cool.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:53

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The "you talk too much" line is from Garrus' romance scene, if you skip the Paragon interrupt.

IIRC:

SHEPARD: Easy, Garrus. You're worrying too much. And...talking too much.



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 Like on Mordin's loyalty mission, a lot of the paragon options have Shepard imply that Mordin is some kind of heartless abomination.


This annoys me to no end. It's like Shepard became a completely different person since leaving the Normandy.

ON THE NORMANDY:

MORDIN: So I worked on the genophage and...

PARAGON SHEPARD: I have a strong dislike for the genophage, but thanks for telling me anyway. I appreciate your openness, and I am grateful to have you on my ship.


AT THE REPURPOSED KROGAN HOSPITAL:


MORDIN: I don't know what's right anymore, I'm really confused. Am I responsible for all of this?

PARAGON SHEPARD: YOU ARE THE SPAWN OF SATAN AND I REFUSE TO LISTEN TO THIS "LOGIC" THING OF YOURS!

MORDIN: I thought you were my friend.

PARAGON SHEPARD: BEGONE, YOU FOUL DEMON!

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:55

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Xsause wrote...

This annoys me to no end. It's like Shepard became a completely different person since leaving the Normandy.

ON THE NORMANDY:

MORDIN: So I worked on the genophage and...

PARAGON SHEPARD: I have a strong dislike for the genophage, but thanks for telling me anyway. I appreciate your openness, and I am grateful to have you on my ship.


AT THE REPURPOSED KROGAN HOSPITAL:


MORDIN: I don't know what's right anymore, I'm really confused. Am I responsible for all of this?

PARAGON SHEPARD: YOU ARE THE SPAWN OF SATAN AND I REFUSE TO LISTEN TO THIS "LOGIC" THING OF YOURS!

MORDIN: I thought you were my friend.

PARAGON SHEPARD: BEGONE, YOU FOUL DEMON!


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This. Considering my Shep was about as confused as Mordin himself, some of the Paragon responses made me cringe.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:58

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Shepard: I DON'T LIKE LOOTERS.



*proceeds to loot apartment of dead turians*



Shepard is a complicated individual.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:59

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I actually do drill Mordin a little in that part, but it's kinda my paragade's way of testing him. She believes the genophage was warranted but she also believes in people having sound reasons for what they do so when Mordin expresses doubt she pushes him to see if his reasoning is sound. She does this in part so he can restate his reasons to himself and remember why he did it. When it turns out what he says makes sense and he still maintains that despite his doubt than she drops to renegade and says she admires him for having the guts to own it. She's weird like that.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:59

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Paragade all the way for me! :)

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And let's not forget the irony of threatening to kill someone for the relatively innocuous crime of stealing from a dead guy. "You should respect the law or I will murder you over a misdemeanor! ROAR!"

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:02

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Shepard stealing credits and stuff always struck me as weird and hilarious. Apparently s/he doesn't mind taking the money of the people s/he's trying to save on Horizon. IMO they should steer away from that. Or make it less frequent and make it accompanied by renegade points or other consequences.

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Collider wrote...

Shepard stealing credits and stuff always struck me as weird and hilarious. Apparently s/he doesn't mind taking the money of the people s/he's trying to save on Horizon. IMO they should steer away from that. Or make it less frequent and make it accompanied by renegade points or other consequences.


Yea, it makes no sense.  I just choose to not think about it.  Otherwise, it's pretty immersion breaking for me.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:13

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Does anybody else renegade Garrus in ME1 and paragon him in ME2? I can't recall anybody else saying they do that. Seems most everybody else does straight up renegade or paragon. Anyone else do it half way?

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:14

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I found a lot of problem with how Shepard is portrayed in the games. S/he's too infallible. Too "action hero." Of course, I can technically roleplay in my head some of my personal Shepards' traits, but it helps to have faults and quirks actually recognized by the game. It's sometimes hard to see Shepard as a real person. I think going through and playing our backgrounds and psych profiles would be really great for fleshing Shepard out and establishing her or him as a person with real faults and shortcomings, someone who may have issues of their own.



Also, they need to get rid of the stuff that happened with Shiala, Consort, etc. I want Shepard to be able to say "Hands off," or at least keep things professional/platonic - and make it easy to do so. In ME1 apparently Shepard not being satisfied with a weird trinket thingy meant s/he wanted sex with the Consort. Not to mention just standing there like an idiot as the consort rubs up against his/her face. Or Ginna, apparently if you choose the top option at the end of the conversation with her (one that seemed labeled fairly innocuously) and you're male Shepard, they do an "almost kiss." I also got weird predatory vibes from Shepard in the Jack romance.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:15

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I "renegaded" Garrus both times. Though, I like the idea of killing Saleon but telling Garrus that the rules are sometimes important. Is that possible to do?

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:18

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Collider wrote...

I "renegaded" Garrus both times. Though, I like the idea of killing Saleon but telling Garrus that the rules are sometimes important. Is that possible to do?


Yea, I really mix things up.  I pick a hodgepodge of neutral and renegade options and in few instances even paragon.  Like I tell him I hope he doesn't regret leaving C-Sec.  I also tell him not all Spectres are like Saren but say still Saren should be killed.  Shep can be nuanced, but Garrus' reaction isn't.  If he gets enough renegade points he will always gives the default "you taught me to get the job done whatever the cost."

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:22

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I agree with you Collider. I can't effectively roleplay in ME until I have gone through it two or three times and know more or less what most of the dialog options really are. That's the only way I can manage any nuance whatsoever. The first time through I always play strict paragon just to learn the lie of the land.

And the sexual advance thing is particularly bad on Ilium. Dudeshep has to beat people off with a stick there. My dudeshep was in a former romance with Liara before moving on to Tali so he got rubbed/kissed/hugged/pinched/whatevered no fewer than three or four times there. We need some asari repellent.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:23

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

Sialater wrote...

At that point, Meg's still scarred like a Sith Lord. And doesn't know they'll go away if she behaves herself. Why would she worry about Garrus' scars? So, she makes a joke.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't someone (I think it's Chakwas) tell you pretty early on how the scarring works? I seem to remember that you receive an email about them after Freedom's Progress.



You're assuming Meg checks her email regularly. 

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:26

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I ended up, in ME2, saving before every conversation and trying the options out, then writing down what dialog options fit my Shepard. It's very useful to avoid having my Shepard say things that I don't think fits him. I like what they did with the alien romances in ME2: made the romance triggers very obvious. Unfortunately the other romance interests have problems regarding flirting dialog.

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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:29

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Yea, my first playthrough on RPGs is almost always uber goody two shoes. I like to try to design characters that I know I can actually do something with in the system. Like say being snarky. It's hard to be a good guy snarker in ME, but it's easy in DAO. If I had set out with "snarky" as a goal my first ME playthrough I'd have failed miserably. Until I actually locate all the non-jerky snark in the game it's hard to pull off for me. I don't usually do my "canon" playthrough until my third or fourth time through. Sometimes even longer.

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