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mrsph wrote...
oops, I meant that they write the character for the romance, and not the romance for the character.

I think they did this mostly with Liara. Her character does seem to based around romance. Jack kind of feels like this too (though fortunately to a much lesser extent) because the only way to "fix" her is if Shepard has a penis.

Modifié par Collider, 02 août 2010 - 07:21 .

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but I also think it is possible to build an interesting LI from the ground up.

I agree, it's a matter of how they do it. I think that didn't succeed with Liara.



With Thane, they made him very interesting apart of the romance, and you still get meaningful interaction with him even if you don't romance him - at the end of the non-romance conversations he considers you his only friend, which is great. Garrus & Tali's romances fortunately have very natural feeling progression.

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Collider wrote...

It's not an almost kiss, she actually does kiss him on the cheek.

Ah, that's worse. I had never done the top option fortunately.

I was disappointed that we couldn't be friends with Jack. It's romance or being told to **** off.

I thought the Asari were too sexualized, among other things. Had I the reigns, I would have gotten rid of them completely before Mass Effect was released.

If I had the reigns the asari would have been properly made "mono-gendered". They wouldn't look female and they wouldn't look male, they would have no gender, that way male gamers can't start crying and going after bioware with torches and pitchforks for making their male Shepard an optional homosexual   .  The species would look and sound totally androgynous so if you want your Shepard to be gay he can be and if you don't, he can be straight too if he romances this character, gender doesn't matter here.

I know the Mass Effect series will never have a gay male shepard so this was an imaginary loophole of mine. Such a species would be a CHALLENGE for players to understand as they can't think of them in terms of he or she, imagine that, a species that isn't just a bunch of blue human-looking space babes that never age. How would you romance such a species? What makes them different from eachother? My asari versions would have long life and I would actually keep the mind melding becuase that was cool but they should intrigue and challenge the player’s concepts of what is normal to them, not simply imitate what a human finds titillating, its space for pete's sake! Wheres the imagination!;

Male player: Wow! A stip club! So Male Aliens are just like stereotypical hetro men! And asari are just hawt space whor*s! That was easy to sum up in the first few minutes of this game, now I don't ever have to think of their species in complex or intellectual terms ever again! YAY ,more boobies!

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 02 août 2010 - 07:38 .

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Collider wrote...

I found a lot of problem with how Shepard is portrayed in the games. S/he's too infallible. Too "action hero." Of course, I can technically roleplay in my head some of my personal Shepards' traits, but it helps to have faults and quirks actually recognized by the game. It's sometimes hard to see Shepard as a real person. I think going through and playing our backgrounds and psych profiles would be really great for fleshing Shepard out and establishing her or him as a person with real faults and shortcomings, someone who may have issues of their own.
 

just got back from a two hour visit at my sister's and damn, you guys kept that thread alive xD 

anyway, I had to pick that out. The whole way Shep is portrayed in ME2 is crazy and I think, that's what makes it so hard for people to choose either paragon or renegade, but actually end up playing a middle thing, because it's the only logical. Funny enough, I bet all of us screwed up the Miranda-Jack-fight because of that on our first playthrough.

Anyway, this whole stuff is the reason, why i chose to write Darkangel. It's basically explaining why my ME1-Paragonshep turns more and more Renegade in ME2, although the more I write it, the more I stumble about my own game logic. It's funny and really confusing. But interesting, really, at least for me, to discover and develop my own Shepard's mind. She's basically talking to herself, constantly arguing over most of her decisions. I really try to stick as close to the game as possible, with all the decisions I made throughout the game, also trying to explain why she didn't let Garrus kill Sidonis. I'm getting closer to Horizon and that will have a deep impact on her, just like meeting Tali on Freedom's Progress really caught her off guard and threw her in some kind of emotional loop.

I really love Shepard! I adore this character and it doesn't matter if DudeShep or FemShep. The story "Shepard" itself has really caught me! I love it! 

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About the neutral response to Garrus in the romance scene: I kinda like how she tells him he's talking too much ((that is, I like the dialogue...I've never heqard it myself, so don't know the tone). When she says "And talking too much", what I hear there is "less talk, more action"--that to me ismore seductive than that interrupt dialogue.

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@Raga: I really love the growth and development they did with Garrus and Tali. It helped their characters a lot, and their romances were bettered for it.

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@Hyrule_Gal: I completely agree - I would have made the Asari androgynous. I would also make them less "Mary Sue." They need to have more faults. The Asari in Mass Effect suffer from a case of "best at everything." Part of the reason I like the other races better is because they are far more nuanced and fallible as a whole. The Turians are straight line thinkers a lot of the time. They are not skilled businessmen. A lot of the time it's shoot first, ask questions later. The Quarians are basically the galaxy's pariahs. The Krogan are powerful but too violent and savage. The Salarians should be developed a bit more but they are still interesting. Etc.

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Collider wrote...

@Raga: I really love the growth and development they did with Garrus and Tali. It helped their characters a lot, and their romances were bettered for it.

yus! And I can't wait what they have in store for the Virmire survivor.

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Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...
oops, I meant that they write the character for the romance, and not the romance for the character.

I think they did this mostly with Liara. Her character does seem to based around romance. Jack kind of feels like this too (though fortunately to a much lesser extent) because the only way to "fix" her is if Shepard has a penis.

lol. Well, the penis must be paragon though.

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I can't stop staring at Liara's drawn-on eyebrows. Criminy, do you think any female turians do that??

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

No, but I would laugh if they paint their talons.

:lol::lol::lol:

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Maybe they have feathery headdresses.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The problem with Liara, as was said before, is that she just comes on to Shepard too fast. It also has the unfortunate side-effect of making her look like a crazy stalker.

I'm telling you.  We need asari repellent.  

Hey - if you want someone to randomise some of your genetic code, you gotta go for the best. They'd be crazy NOT to try to hit Shep.