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[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

All the squaddies I have had with me there seem to express some level of discomfort at letting those guys go and some level of relief at you killing them.  They mostly seem to think it's putting them out of their misery.

Hmm...I think it's the fact that I have Garrus. I think he's more sensitive to the fact that Saren caused this, which is why he automatically gives you the Paragon line. Which forces Kaidan to take the Renegade stance. And that's why it sounds odd.

And Collider, I know that the morality system is silly and that Renegade Kaidan is more Renegade than Wrex, but this is default Kaidan, who's more Paragon than Liara. I'd expect him to be telling me to put the salarians out of their misery at most, not to be telling me "alright, I'll let them out but I don't like it!" It just feels jarring.

Pacifien wrote...

Also, the Miranda/Jack fight is easier to resolve as a renegade while the Legion/Tali fight is easier to resolve as a paragon. Those who have mentioned not being able to resolve the Miranda/Jack fight I find are doing a mostly paragon playthrough.

Oh, I didn't know that. Is this really a fact?

I've resolved both as Paragon without a problem, but I also had imported characters, so...

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 02 août 2010 - 09:03 .

[J4N3_M3]

I always do the LMs as soon as they pop up, that's how it's worked best for me. But I really can't make many P/R choices before that but HAVE to go one way or the other until the LMs are done. Then it's also important to have the special talent maxed out. It is true indeed that the longer you wait, the harder it gets to solve the conflict. That's why I failed on my first PT. I didn't know about the fight and took one LM mission after the next, wherever it felt right to do it. I usually recruit in this order:

Garrus

Mordin

Jack

Grunt

-> Horizon mission

Then I go do Jacob's loyalty mission, recruit Thane and Samara and do Miranda's mission. It's all on Ilium so it's a logic thing to do. Then I do Jack's mission.

Then I can solve the fight!

I usually have the Patriarch mission before on Omega of course, Kenn the Quarian, plus I usually get all the discounts I want on Omega and the Citadel, so that's where I get additional Renegade or Paragon points, depending on my PT.



This order has worked out for me!

[J4N3_M3]

PS: I played my first ME2 pt with an import, solving the fight didn't work. I played the following PT's with the above listed order as new started sheps and it worked. Although Paragade/Renegon didn't work later on in the game when it came to certain dialogue options.

[Pacifien]

Maintaining Loyalty for Jack/Miranda and Legion/Tali - Explains roughly how it works with comments from a developer about various aspects of it.

Modifié par Pacifien, 02 août 2010 - 09:17 .

[J4N3_M3]

Pacifien wrote...

Maintaining Loyalty for Jack/Miranda and Legion/Tali - Explains roughly how it works with comments from a developer about various aspects of it.

yeah although I still didn't see a difference between Paragon and Renegade! Both had no problems resolving the fight when I sticked to the above mentioned order.

[J4N3_M3]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I recruit in this order: Zaeed, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi, Grunt, Jack. Then I do Horizon. The I go get Tali. Then I do random missions until Garrus' loyalty mission comes up. I go do his loyalty mission. Then I do Tali's as soon as it comes up. Then I go recruit Thane and Samara. Afterwards I work on loyalty missions mixed with random plot missions that are in the same system with me. Jack's mission is always the last one I do. Samara's is second to last. I usually do Zaeed's in the first half of the game. I go full renegade on Mordin's mission, Grunt's, Kasumi's, and Miranda's. I'm about half/half on Garrus and Thane. I go full paragon on Zaeed's, Jacob's, Samara's, and Tali's. That same behavior holds true for the recruitment missions. Some full renegade, some paragon, mostly a mix. I always import a paragade and I always dump stats into infiltrator first. This pattern has always worked unerringly for me.

I have no idea how that works for you but from the messages I got on youtube, and the things I've read, there's a lot of people who had trouble solving the fight later on in the game, although one scale was full while the other one wasn't. For some reason, you're lucky.

[J4N3_M3]

I also should add, that this order worked for my current full Paragon Shep-import

[J4N3_M3]

@Pacifien: just saw the reply in the thread you linked. Had to comment as well. I guess, my video is proof enough, that you indeed don't need a FULL bar to solve this fight! I will upload the video of solving the fight with my paragon shep, later, so people will eventually stop whining.

and with that, I go to bed, good night everyone! 

Keep the Garrus love coming, flowing, shooting, whatever flares your mandibles :happy:

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 02 août 2010 - 09:29 .

[Pacifien]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Do you guys think we should have default XO in ME3? Or should we get to pick cause I would so choose Garrus. Then again, maybe XO is a little too report and paper oriented for him. He's more "battle leader" than file mission reports guy. That's how I saw things anyway. Miranda was my second in command "kept the ship running smoothly person" while Garrus was my "awesome right hand guy who helps me kick butt and issues orders in my place if I have the flu."

I never understood why people got hung up so much on Miranda calling herself Shepard's second in command on the Normandy. Technically, so was Pressly in ME1. She simply kept track of ship operations in Shepard's absence, and this was a task I'd say she was far better suited with the crew being mostly Cerberus.

Going into ME3, any companions at Shepard's side are going to be preparing for war in one way or another. This doesn't even lend itself to arguing who gets to be the right-hand man, because they're all going to be vital to the mission.

Or one would hope for ME3.

[kglaser]

Double posts = win if they keep resulting in Garrus and turian artworks getting posted !!

[Andaius20]

I didn't mind Miri being XO after all she was ranking cerberus on board.

[Sialater]

Both Shepards of mine have what they're calling a "command squad." Garrus, Miranda and Jacob can all lead teams out of sight of Shepard's immediate influence and get the job done successfully. Jacob is the "third officer," while Miranda's the XO aboard ship, and Garrus is the field XO.



Completely lifted from DS9s command structure, but I doubt Garrus would mind being compared to a Klingon. (OK, Spellcheck recognizes KLINGON, but not turian????)

[Nilfalasiel]

I think the concern about Miranda is twofold: one, she's a spy for TIM. Two, she does have a way of thinking that she knows things better than anybody else (especially with her attitude before the SM). She may do (but she doesn't; if you listen to her, you might pick her or Thane as a biotic for the bubble and that ends up in people dying), but it's still not a very professional attitude.

Of course, once you clear the SM, the first concern is no longer valid. You just need to hope she works on the second one.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 02 août 2010 - 09:51 .

[Collider]

Miranda was abrasive on Cerberus Station. That sticks with people. Even when Miranda has some weird personality shift on the Normandy.

[Collider]

I think Garrus doubts Miranda's leadership skills and doesn't trust her.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...
Jacob and Miranda switch personalities when they get on the Normandy.

Yea, they sort of do. It's very strange. It's part of why it's hard for me to take Miranda seriously.

[Pacifien]

Also, you have to consider that the Cerberus crew know Miranda. Shepard makes sure his squad is running efficiently for the mission. The XO makes sure the ship is running efficiently for the mission. I might like several squadmates more than I do Miranda, but every squadmate has their strengths and weaknesses. I'm not going to assign Garrus to work in the lab, but I will have him lead a mission.

[Collider]

We don't know for certain if the crew genuinely "knows" Miranda. They may have heard of her but that doesn't mean they've actually worked with her before. Besides Jacob of course.