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[Titanium Man]

Hey, Garrus thread. Garrus is my bro, too. Wanted to show y'all my story, "Mass Effect: Grand Escapades" in my sig, where he plays an archer in Tali's roleplaying game named, appropriately enough, Brogar. :V I consider suggestions, so if you think of anything awesome Garrus should do, let me know.

[Titanium Man]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

Hey, Garrus thread. Garrus is my bro, too. Wanted to show y'all my story, "Mass Effect: Grand Escapades" in my sig, where he plays an archer in Tali's roleplaying game named, appropriately enough, Brogar. :V I consider suggestions, so if you think of anything awesome Garrus should do, let me know.

Thanks, we're always up for more Garrus fic.:happy:

He gets some master burns on Miranda in Chapter 5, too.  I think he'll become a min-maxer once he learns what he can do to up his dice rolls.  Not sure.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Garrus Thread.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
KotoR is pretty sappy. But then again Star Wars is practically Space Fantasy. I don't think the mushy stuff would fit so well in ME either. It really is stylistically distinctive from all the other Bioware games.

I noticed a dramatic change in tone from KOTOR to KOTOR II. Not so unexpected, due to different developers, but there's was quite a shift. KOTOR was hopeful, morally black and white, colorful, very Star Warsy - so to speak. KOTOR II was bleak, dreary, colorless, hopeless, and morally gray. I appreciated both styles, but the second game was a bit depressing.

ME2 was their first game in like 7 years to break from the "collect 4 things from 4 areas of the world" mold.

Thank god. I really loved the loyalty missions. I don't think that ME3 should repeat them, but I really liked that I wasn't going around 4 areas and collecting something again as Bioware games sometimes (always?) do. 

However, there are some characters it seems to make sense for. Liara for instance. I found it rather weird that she never said it. Tali and Kaidan are also strong candidates to say it.

Of those two I think Tali would be most likely to say it. Kaidan in ME1 put his foot in his mouth when he almost kind of said it. Though in ME2 he does say "I loved you"...

[Kim Shepard]

Yeah, now that I think of it... Liara pretty much said all the stuff that means "I love you" without ever saying "I love you." xD She definitely seems like the type to say it. I think Tali would probably be the type to say it in ME3, even though she already loves Shepard now. From what I remember, she was pretty nervous that she would say the wrong thing, kind of like Garrus, but it's been a while since I watched it on youtube.(I haven't played through the Tali romance yet. It's all Liara's fault!) I don't think I know Kaidan well enough to judge. I'll leave that to Sia and Jane.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Garrus Thread.

You should start a cult.  You speak the truth and you speak it well.

I would but I have to crush a rebellion!
And stare at art!
...To gain a psychological insight about my foes!

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I dunno why nobody says that in ME except in creepy moments or the past tense. All other Bioware games have been oozing sunshine and bunnies in their romances. Even with characters like Zev and Morrigan who don't say the words, they still go out of their way to explain WHY they don't say it. In ME it just never comes up. I don't resent that or anything. It's just a marked difference from their other games. I wonder is that more supposed to be about Shep than the LIs? I mean Shep is our only voiced protagonist. If the VA doesn't get it just right it could tick folks off but with a silent PC the player can imagine it being said about 12 different ways. I wonder what they will do about this in DA2.

I think that's true - they would have to get the tone right for Shepard. With DA:O as you said, the player can imagine how it's said (or not at all if they don't want to). If Shepard says the words in a flat or otherwise flawed way, then it can ruin the effect. Though, all of the relationships are really just start out in Mass Effect. In Dragon Age, presumably, the romances have/can develop further than can be currently done in ME1 or ME2. In Mass Effect so far, the relationships haven't been progressed past the first night of intimacy. Hopefully in ME3 we'll have more dialog about actually being a couple, and all that is associated.

Also, I would very much like for other characters to acknowledge Shepard's romance. We did a bit of that with Kasumi and Mordin, which I'm glad for. But I want moar. It'd be great, for example, for that reporter to criticize Shepard because she or he is dating a turian or quarian.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I dunno why nobody says that in ME except in creepy moments or the past tense. All other Bioware games have been oozing sunshine and bunnies in their romances. Even with characters like Zev and Morrigan who don't say the words, they still go out of their way to explain WHY they don't say it. In ME it just never comes up. I don't resent that or anything. It's just a marked difference from their other games. I wonder is that more supposed to be about Shep than the LIs? I mean Shep is our only voiced protagonist. If the VA doesn't get it just right it could tick folks off but with a silent PC the player can imagine it being said about 12 different ways. I wonder what they will do about this in DA2.

I think that's true - they would have to get the tone right for Shepard. With DA:O as you said, the player can imagine how it's said (or not at all if they don't want to). If Shepard says the words in a flat or otherwise flawed way, then it can ruin the effect. Though, all of the relationships are really just start out in Mass Effect. In Dragon Age, presumably, the romances have/can develop further than can be currently done in ME1 or ME2. In Mass Effect so far, the relationships haven't been progressed past the first night of intimacy. Hopefully in ME3 we'll have more dialog about actually being a couple, and all that is associated.

Also, I would very much like for other characters to acknowledge Shepard's romance. We did a bit of that with Kasumi and Mordin, which I'm glad for. But I want moar. It'd be great, for example, for that reporter to criticize Shepard because she or he is dating a turian or quarian.

Hmmm....
*ME3*
Reporter: Commander Shepard isn't it true that you tapped dat? *gestures to LI*
*Shepard's responses*
Renegade interrupt: Pawnch!
Paragon interrupt: Pawnch!
Charm: Indeed and you do not have the right to judge.
Intimidate: Hell yeah and you can go f*ck yourself if you have a problem with it!

[Collider]

Intimidate: Hell yeah and you can go f*ck yourself if you have a problem with it!

I think that if criticizes Garrus or Tali, I'm going to very well use this one

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Garrus Thread.

You should start a cult.  You speak the truth and you speak it well.

I would but I have to crush a rebellion!
And stare at art!
...To gain a psychological insight about my foes!

Once you put done that rebellion, if you start an ME cult let me know.  You'll have one member for sure.

Okay.
Well I've just got to destroy this rebel fleet here....Trapped them at the shipyards!
We're winning!
Ouch! My bodyguard just stabbed me in the chest!.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU *dies?*

[Kim Shepard]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I want MainShep to punch that reporter for the first time ever because she insulted turians. >

@Titanium Man: I just read the first chapter of your fanfic, and I like it. There are a lot of good jokes in there. And your Shepard has red hair like my Tali romance MaleShep.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

@ Collider
KotoR 2 was a disappointment for me because I just see how many ways it COULD be awesome, but it's like they released it 6 months early or something. You could sorta tell where they had all these cool things planned that they never quite got around to, but didn't bother completely removing from the game. So you'd get a little taste of something awesome and then it would just peter out. Same with NWN2. So much squandered potential. Obsidian releases their games too early.

I agree. More romance acknowledgement is a good thing. And I have always thought that ME romances were paced funny. They have always felt rushed to me. They are rich in subtext but you have to really pick them apart and analyze them to get it all. I'm hoping that's because they were designed to happen over multiple games so Bioware intentionally left a lot of vague areas they could flesh out later. I don't want ANY new LIs in ME3. It's time to batten down and focus on what we got. Some Kelly type construction to entertain newbs and people who like flings, but that's about it. That's my two cents anyway. I might could also relent for the inclusion of legit F/F or M/M. Those guys have been waiting a while now and mostly with patience and tact. I wouldn't mind budging over a bit if they could get some content.

I loved NWN2.
Not for the story or the combat or any of that sh*t.
I loved it for the characters.

[Sialater]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Yeah, now that I think of it... Liara pretty much said all the stuff that means "I love you" without ever saying "I love you." xD She definitely seems like the type to say it. I think Tali would probably be the type to say it in ME3, even though she already loves Shepard now. From what I remember, she was pretty nervous that she would say the wrong thing, kind of like Garrus, but it's been a while since I watched it on youtube.(I haven't played through the Tali romance yet. It's all Liara's fault!) I don't think I know Kaidan well enough to judge. I'll leave that to Sia and Jane.

A job we will gladly fulfill.

[Titanium Man]

Kim Shepard wrote...
@Titanium Man: I just read the first chapter of your fanfic, and I like it. There are a lot of good jokes in there. And your Shepard has red hair like my Tali romance MaleShep.

Thank ye kindly.  If the staunchest Tali fans like it, I'm sure the staunchest Garrus fans would dig it as well.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to start it myself then.  I'll send in my elite death guards later to help you out.  Hang in there.

I had elite death commandos!
They are the ones who betrayed me!
*gurgle*
*dies?*

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I know and that's what was so frustrating.  There was so much they had planned or so it seems anyway.  They wasted space on crap like Casavir *retch* and left other more interesting characters dangling.  I especially liked Sand.

Loved the Sarcasm that was his character.
Who else did I like...
Kelgar....he's a good drinking buddy.
Neeshka....Rougish humor is the sh*t...........and other reasons:innocent:.
Grobnar....he's insane and I like that.

[Sialater]

The problem with KOTOR II is they ran out of time. Lucas Arts had a deadline and they barely made it. Too bad. Atton Rand is the closest thing to Han Solo any of us would ever get to hand lightsaber to.



And now, back to our regularly scheduled Garrus.