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[Twilight_Princess]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I am become the killer of threads. And I should go play ME1 now.

And I here thought I was the one that killed threads! Ha!...murder.

[J4N3_M3]

usually that's my job lol. good morning everyone....back in a bit. gotta scoot to work...meh! *hands coffee*

[Andaius20]

Miri Shep ordering from the new "Ms. Coffee" machine.

[Andaius20]

Miri shep: Uh..Garrus, bad guys are that way.

[Twilight_Princess]

So how about this, what do you honestly think Bioware will do with the Garrus romance. Not what we "want" to happen but rather what they most likely will do. My theory is that ME3 will be all about Garrus working out what he wants, not just in a romantic way either. So far 1 and 2 have been about influencing Garrus to either go down a paragon or renegade path, it makes sense for bioware to write a conclusion to Garrus's arc that involved him finalizing his beliefs without the guidance of Shepard anymore. It would be great to see Garrus able to make decisions by himself based on what you did in previous games (if you don't import there will be a default Garrus). Having another revenge story would be too repetitive so it would be interesting to see what the non-romantic side story will be for him next time.

As for the romance, Bioware will most likely continue the story by having Garrus's problem of not knowing exactly what he wants as the theme. I think Garrus is the type that thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy even if everything is fine with Shepard , I think he would still doubt himself not because of the species issue but rather that he thinks he's going to eventually screw up like he thinks he always does. So maybe they will have the next step be Garrus accepting that he does deserve happiness and needs to move on from his past mistakes, the climax would be him finally verbalizing what he wants and how much Shepard means to him.

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Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 04 août 2010 - 07:41 .

[J4N3_M3]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
As for the romance it should reflect Garrus's problem of knowing exactly what he wants and saying it. I think Garrus is the type that thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy even if everything is fine with Shepard , I think he would still doubt himself not because of the species issue but rather that he thinks he's going to eventually screw up like he thinks he always does. So maybe the next step is Garrus accepting that he does deserve happiness and needs to move on from his past mistakes, the climax would be him finally verbalizing what he wants and how much Shepard means to him.

I hope they don't make this an important part of the story though. I don't want Garrus to be all insecure all the time. I like him the way he is around Shep. I mean, he seems self-confident, tough and all but beneath all this surface is a lot of self-doubt and insecurity. I don't want this to be voiced all the time. And I certainly don't want this to be the center of their relationship focus. I can see them having a lot of conflicts about it, yet not really knowing why actually, and getting past it. I don't see either of them being very talkative about their emotional side, no matter how close they are.

and now I forgot what else I wanted to write....argh! 

[Twilight_Princess]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
As for the romance it should reflect Garrus's problem of knowing exactly what he wants and saying it. I think Garrus is the type that thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy even if everything is fine with Shepard , I think he would still doubt himself not because of the species issue but rather that he thinks he's going to eventually screw up like he thinks he always does. So maybe the next step is Garrus accepting that he does deserve happiness and needs to move on from his past mistakes, the climax would be him finally verbalizing what he wants and how much Shepard means to him.

I hope they don't make this an important part of the story though. I don't want Garrus to be all insecure all the time. I like him the way he is around Shep. I mean, he seems self-confident, tough and all but beneath all this surface is a lot of self-doubt and insecurity. I don't want this to be voiced all the time. And I certainly don't want this to be the center of their relationship focus. I can see them having a lot of conflicts about it, yet not really knowing why actually, and getting past it. I don't see either of them being very talkative about their emotional side, no matter how close they are. and now I forgot what else I wanted to write....argh! 

I don't want it voiced all the time either but I think something in the main story will act as an obstacle maybe? For all the romances not just Garrus. It would be odd for Bioware to make all the relationships fine and dandy
 in 3 , it's like them to throw in a spanner somewhere, I don't want the relationship to have  insecurity be the main plot but I'm thinking that's what they're going to do anyway. Like I said its not what I want but what I think Bioware would do with the romance.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 04 août 2010 - 06:51 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't want anything soapy, but there has to be conflict for Garrus to have an arc in ME3. No conflict equals no growth which equals boring stagnation. I think a confrontation with his father is a wise thing to do. We would finally get to meet the guy. And Garrus can finally decide exactly who he is and tell his dad that straight up. Done and done. I think they could do that without it being too soapy. Give us a mission to go around it. Since Papa V was former C-Sec I am sure they can come up with something that involves combat, some reason he needs Shep and Garrus help. The other character arc stuff would just be a side effect of that. This is my two cents anyway.

Maybe an ironic twist that gets Garrus in trouble with the law somehow? And his dad has to decide to keep him locked up or "bend the rules" so he can escape and help Shepard? He said his dad believed in rules and regulations so maybe this will be a test for Papa V to see what's more important, bending the rules for his son's sake or prevent him from doing something important just because the law says so.
 
Someone could frame Garrus or spill something illegal he did on omega (survivors of the merc gangs he killed?) and this will force Garrus to come face to face with his dad in the worst way. Not only will he show up as a "disappointment" to his dad but Garrus will temporarily become the thing he hates most, a "criminal".

[Mirlam]

You have some really good points here people. I agree that something dramatic should happen (aka. meeting his father) which would give Garrus a "push" to start thinking what he wants and what he should do with his life. I can also see him still being insecure about himself and the romance with Shepard, and not being able to accept that things could go well for him in the end. The romance is definitely not finished yet! We don't even know did everything go "just right" on that night..ahem.. Oh, and wouldn't it be fun to see Papa Vakarian?



Shepard: "Hey, are you aware that your son left C-SEC, became a vigilante and joined a terrorist group with a human commander. Oh and we are dating."



*Papa's head explodes*

[lovgreno]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
Someone could frame Garrus or spill something illegal he did on omega (survivors of the merc gangs he killed?) and this will force Garrus to come face to face with his dad in the worst way. Not only will he show up as a "disappointment" to his dad but Garrus will temporarily become the thing he hates most, a "criminal".

Well technicaly nothing is illegal in the Terminus systems, including Omega. Garrus did nothing that destabilises the turian or Citadel legal systems. So I do think Vakarian Sr can forgive that actualy.
I can imagine it was from his dad Garrus got his idealism and passion for justice. So I can imagine that Sr aproves of his sons intentions and perhaps even results but not his methods. If he can swallow his pride and admit it is not that certain however.

Modifié par lovgreno, 04 août 2010 - 07:53 .

[Twilight_Princess]

lovgreno wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
Someone could frame Garrus or spill something illegal he did on omega (survivors of the merc gangs he killed?) and this will force Garrus to come face to face with his dad in the worst way. Not only will he show up as a "disappointment" to his dad but Garrus will temporarily become the thing he hates most, a "criminal".

Well technicaly nothing is illegal in the Terminus systems, including Omega. Garrus did nothing that destabilises the turian or Citadel legal systems. So I do think Vakarian Sr can forgive that actualy.

...Fair enough ,so somewhere that's not Omega then  but I am intrigued with the whole "Garrus the criminal" side story.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 04 août 2010 - 07:55 .

[J4N3_M3]

also, I do think that a situation like this would take most of the decisions out of Shep's hands and I really wouldn't want that. -.- In the end it would all depend on enough Paragon/renegade points to convince his father. I'd rather have Shep find evidence to prove his innocence or something.

[J4N3_M3]

or maybe even better, some merc's go after Garrus' father when they find out, Archangel is still alive and kicking. So just like with Thane and his dead wife, why not let them go after Archangel's dad and Shep and Garrus have to go find him. That's when Papa V finds out, what his son has done in the past years and it could lead to interesting dialogues that reveal how he thinks about it. I mean, after all this behaviour has put Papa V and maybe even the rest of the famiV in danger. I would love a situation like that.

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 04 août 2010 - 07:59 .

[Twilight_Princess]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

also, I do think that a situation like this would take most of the decisions out of Shep's hands and I really wouldn't want that. -.- In the end it would all depend on enough Paragon/renegade points to convince his father. I'd rather have Shep find evidence to prove his innocence or something.

See this is why we have these topics! To bounce ideas back and forth, brilliant! Ok so Shepard needs to clear Garrus's name to free him even though Garrus insists that she leaves him because "there are more important things" than him to worry about.  Shepard needs to find say 2-3  peices of evidence in different locations, the missions vary from shoot ups to interrogation to hacking puzzles and asking around. You present the evidence and defend Garrus and then Garrus is free to go he can have his "talk" with dad, depending on what you did, he will say whether his beliefs are renegade or paragon.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 04 août 2010 - 08:05 .

[Xsause]

I agree, a point in ME3 where you can let Garrus make his own decision on something important would be awesome.

Titanium Man wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

@Titanium Man: I only had time to read two chapters right now, but it's really funny so far, and I don't usually read fanfics. I'll finish reading later. By the way, my MaleShep also fights in close combat and thinks that a world without guns is an awful, awful world. xD

"Bullet-gel. Apply directly to the brain." Xsauce needs to read this. So many good lines from Mordin.

Wait until Mordin starts talking about Shepard grabbing his ass, he'll never stop :V  Thanks for checking it out and I'm glad you like it.

Haha, just read the entire thing.

You are amazing.

Needs more suggestive lower eyelid movements and unrequited interspecies attraction, though...

[Kim Shepard]

Wow... usually when I mention a Saren resurrection, you guys don't think anything of it. xD

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

And I think Kim was mostly kidding, but I have to admit a Saren zombie is about the only zombie I would tolerate in ME3. Saren was awesome.

Kidding in the way that I don't think it would actually happen. Not kidding that I want Saren to be resurrected though. Or maybe have some of Saren's research help Shepard stop the Reapers. It's better than nothing.

Cerrydd wrote...
Hey, when it comes to Saren, Kim is never kidding!

Well... yeah, pretty much this. xD

@kglaser: Another book about Saren would be awesome. And if the stores take as long to get that book as they do for Retribution, then I'll be posting more "Anyone finished the book yet? Post spoilers! Post everything Saren says or does or anything anyone says about him!" in Clan V. Then I'll keep checking the Wiki and forums for spoilers.

@Collider: A Revelation movie would be great too, if done right. The more I think about it, they could mess up Saren's character in the movie. If it's exactly like the book (with a bunch of scenes cut for time, of course), awesome. Unfortunately, it's easy for them to make the villain more cruel just because they feel like it... and I think Saren is the right amount of cruel just the way he is.

That whole post was about Saren. Good thing the thread has "Turian Discussion" in the title now.

Good, Xsauce found the fanfic. Now I'll read the rest of it.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Hi again guys! I just uploaded a a Garrus/Shep fanart image to deviantart and wanted to drop the link. I'm not sure if anyone here remembers me anymore, but I posted some work-in-progress images of it a few months ago. 83



http://aris-ravensta...-Calm-173939059

[Collider]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Hi again guys! I just uploaded a a Garrus/Shep fanart image to deviantart and wanted to drop the link. I'm not sure if anyone here remembers me anymore, but I posted some work-in-progress images of it a few months ago. 83

http://aris-ravensta...-Calm-173939059

Wow! That looks fantastic!

[Kim Shepard]

I remember you. You were here when I first joined.

I can't look at stuff on deviantart though. D: My PC always seems to pick up viruses there.

[Xsause]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I remember you. You were here when I first joined.

I can't look at stuff on deviantart though. D: My PC always seems to pick up viruses there.

Here it is:




Looks awesome, Aris! You should post this on BK's facebook page, he'd really appreciate it.