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[Twilight_Princess]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 There we go with that human leads thing again...<_<

Those developers are all racists!

[Collider]

I liked that the romances in ME2 were dependent on Shepard's actions. I mean you could kill the Rachni Queen, something Liara greatly disapproves of, and she's still swooning over you.

[Collider]

Garrus vs. Zaeed

Garrus. vs. Jack

Jacob vs. Thane

Samara vs. Thane



IMO. Of those I'd find Garrus and Jack most interesting. Given that Jack is pretty much the embodiment of the people he's been fighting against. I wonder how they'd interact.

[Kim Shepard]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Super Video Janey FTW

Awesome. I like Shepard's quote there too.

About the squadmates' Paragon/Renegade switch in ME1, I would have liked to hear their real opinions. It would help a lot for people who are trying to get a better idea of the character, trying to figure out what they would do, especially if they're writing fanfics about them. I just want to know their opinions for the sake of knowing them. My "fanfic" plays out in my imagination like a movie. xD

@Collider: I think I'd rather have conversations like that between the squadmates and Shepard, instead of a real loyalty-losing fight. It would seem strange if Shepard had to keep breaking up fights after every few missions. A conversation like that between Garrus and Jack would be even better if Earthborn Shepard got to add his/her opinions.

[J4N3_M3]

mrsph wrote...

I just wish the male LI's actually got into confrontations. C'mon, Bioware! Men like to get into stupid fights just like women!

i don't want confrontations about Shepard. Confrontations about other things, yes but about Shepard and the romance? Nah, I think they're all mature enough to handle that in a grown up way. I have to admit that any argument about the romance would make them look pathetic.

[Collider]

I agree, we shouldn't be breaking up fights every two seconds. I most want banter between squad mates in general.



Also, for the romance confrontations that will probably happen in ME3, I don't want their to be any fights. I believe that besides Jack, everyone is mature enough not to start fights.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I wanted confrontations with the male LIs in ME2. Every one of the girls got into a conflict. I had high enough paragon to resolve it without losing loyalty anyway, but come on! ALL of the girls get into arguments and NONE of the guys have feelings about anything they need to get out? I don't think Garrus would pick a fight with Zaeed since he's DLC, or Jack since she was already in a fight with Miranda. My pick? Grunt. Grunt calls Garrus out on.. you know, being turian, Garrus is insulted, Shepard has to step in.



I also want man-fights in ME3, desperately. For the entertainment. Don't judge me!

[J4N3_M3]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I wanted confrontations with the male LIs in ME2. Every one of the girls got into a conflict. I had high enough paragon to resolve it without losing loyalty anyway, but come on! ALL of the girls get into arguments and NONE of the guys have feelings about anything they need to get out? I don't think Garrus would pick a fight with Zaeed since he's DLC, or Jack since she was already in a fight with Miranda. My pick? Grunt. Grunt calls Garrus out on.. you know, being turian, Garrus is insulted, Shepard has to step in.

I also want man-fights in ME3, desperately. For the entertainment. Don't judge me!

the fights in ME2 weren't about the romance. they happened no matter if you romanced hem or not. Therefore I just don't want any fight between the guys over the entire romance thing.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I know. What I'm saying is, every one of the female LIs just happened to be involved in those fights, thus getting extra dialogue. So I wanted the guys to have fights too. For the dialogue.



But I would -also- be happy with relationship-related fights in ME3.

[Kim Shepard]

Squad banter would be nice, but I'd also like Shepard to get in on the conversations. It would be interesting to see Shepard talking to more than one squadmate at the same time, sometimes having to choose sides if they have different opinions. An argument between Garrus and Zaeed (if I had the DLC) would be hard for MainShep though. She likes them both.

I think a ME1-style confrontation with a "choose one" option would be best for the romances. Fights just wouldn't work for most of them. Garrus doesn't seem like the type who would do anything to mess up the mission, and getting into fights with other squadmates could do that. I can imagine an argument between Garrus and Kaidan with Horizon being brought up, but I don't think either of them would fight. And can you even imagine Thane getting into a fight over romance? He seems too calm to me. However, it would also be a little unrealistic if Jack didn't start a fight with the ME1 romance, or Shepard. Arguments would work best though, since they probably won't be super personalized for each combination because there are so many of them.

[Twilight_Princess]

mrsph wrote...

I just wish the male LI's actually got into confrontations. C'mon, Bioware! Men like to get into stupid fights just like women!

Star Trek style!

[ThatDancingTurian]

::died laughing at that picture::

[Cerrydd]

I don't know what BW has in mind for consequences of 'cheating', but I really hope it won't be too dramatic. Hearts get broken every day. Deal with it. It's not the end of the world, the arrival of the Reapers is.

[Nilfalasiel]

Remarks in no particular order:

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote…
 
I got the impression those scientists were there for multiple years after waking up.  I think they gradually learned about indoctrination over time as they studied the situation.  I think their plan was years in the making.  So I find it plausible that they didn't learn about indoctrination until later.  That VI was based on the chief researcher's thoughts.  Wouldn't surprise me if he regularly updated it until right before they went through the Conduit onto the Citadel.  It wasn't a standard VI.  It called itself something like a "complex analysis system based on the mind of Ksad Isan or some name sort of like that."

 
Actually, it says it’s a personality imprint. So it would behave like Ksad Ishan, but it still wouldn’t be able to think on its own: it’s a VI, not an AI. That’s the main difference between the two.
 
Also, if the scientists did find out about indoctrination later, they would’ve modified the message they sent through the beacons to warn people. It would’ve been silly NOT to tell people “be careful: not only are the Reapers trying to murder everyone, but they’ll also control your brain if you spend too much time around them.” Since they didn’t do that, I don’t think they ever realized. Vigil itself seems to imply that they never realized. So I still maintain that it’s extremely odd that Vigil knows about it.
 

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
 
Do you think it is hard for turians to distinguish between human facial features? I mean if you subtract obvious stuff like hair color and hair length? And do you think we would have a much rougher time if they didn't have facepaint? I've never had issues telling them apart myself, but they have a wide range of skin tones and the paint is variable. If I had to distinguish purely on facial features I don't know if I could manage.

 
I think turians would have an easy time distinguishing humans from one another. Our facial features differ a lot more than turian ones, and if they manage to differentiate between their own species, they’d have no trouble whatsoever with humans. As for whether I’d be able to differentiate between turians without the facepaint…it would probably be harder, but some of them do have distinctive features (e.g. one of Aria’s guards has a very short nose and huge mandibles, IIRC).
 

Collider wrote...

Jacob vs. Thane
Samara vs. Thane

I don't think Thane would get into a fight with anyone over anything. If they riled him up enough, he'd probably snap their necks in their sleep, but raise his voice? I don't see it.
 

Ragabul the Ontarah...

And the no sex drive thing is weird and interesting.

 
I don't think that's completely accurate. I think Mordin's own words were something along the lines of "No sex drive. At least not like what humans have". He also that salarians simply process things too fast: they wouldn't be able to court someone, because the feeling of attraction would pass too quickly. It’s part of their general “do everything faster” state. That doesn't mean they don't feel attraction at all though: the bachelor party is proof of that. As well as Mordin's comment about asari on Illium.
 

J4N3_M3 wrote…
 
funny, if you take Ash/Kaidan and Garrus, it's Garrus who says "Why have I never thought of that?" and then the other having the line "Shooting people isn't always the answer"

 
Thank you. You've just confirmed that default Ashley is more Paragon than Garrus. That was the one part of the ME morality scale I was still unsure of

Still, just the two fingers alone make for a double-epic rude hand gesture xD

There are, uh…other things that that particular finger configuration could be good for…Ahem.
 

SpaceBuscuit wrote…
 
Never ever underestimate the power of feet. Tali was the first alien to make me wonder if five toes is a little excessive.

 
Y’know, I only noticed that Tali had a third toe on each foot on my fourth ME1 playthrough…I still love her feet though. And Garrus’ too.
 
And yes, I’m also an elevator starer. And not just at Garrus' fringe. Tali's hips are also mesmerizing.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 06 août 2010 - 10:45 .

[Kim Shepard]

Cerrydd wrote...

I don't know what BW has in mind for consequences of 'cheating', but I really hope it won't be too dramatic. Hearts get broken every day. Deal with it. It's not the end of the world, the arrival of the Reapers is.

That is so true. xD

I expect that Garrus will still tell Shepard "I'll be here if you need me" if she chooses Kaidan/Liara over him. Technically, Kaidan/Liara should be way more upset than Garrus in that situation anyway - they would be the ones who believe Shepard cheated on them. Shepard wouldn't have cheated on Garrus, just started a relationship with him when she considered another one to be over.

[Jean]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I just wish the male LI's actually got into confrontations. C'mon, Bioware! Men like to get into stupid fights just like women!

Star Trek style!

I shouldn't laugh at that pic but I cannot help it :lol:

[Nilfalasiel]

Lol, you're welcome!

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I never thought that thing was a standard VI.  Doesn't Shep ask if it is an AI and it qualifies itself as a "complex analysis system with personality imprints."  It may not be an AI but I don't think it is a standard VI.  For one, it makes morality proclamations.  Whenever you confront Avina on an ethical matter she kaputs and says that such a judgement goes beyond her programming.  Vigil actually makes morality proclamations.  Now that doesn't mean that it is really thinking.  But it does have value judgements programmed in on top of its analysis protocols.  I think it was some kind of device that was designed to have Ishan's morality but to think and analyze with more capacity than he could.  Does that make sense?  I don't think it is a standard VI, but the whole idea of "analysis system" seems to be that it was designed to consider and draw conclusions.

Yeah, it does sound more sophisticated than a normal VI, but it would still lack the ability to think for itself.

I'm rusty on this whole sequence so out of curiosity I just listened to a video of Vigil on Youtube.  It sounds to me like the survivors on Ilos didn't send the message through the beacons until after the Reapers left.  Vigil only woke them from cryo once the Reapers returned to dark space.  Yea, I even just got to a point in this vid where it flat out says they didn't send a message through the beacons until after the Reapers were gone.  At that point any indoctrinated sorts left behind would be mindless starving zombies.  Any warning about indoctrination at that point would be redundant after seeing the effects of it for several hundred years.  As to how the scientists themselves learned of indoctrination, I would hazard they got messages through those very beacons.  It doesn't say at what point communication was cut off.  Could have been after they learned about it.  They had to know about the invasion and some of the particulars as that was the whole reason they went into cryo in the first place.  There's also a phrase "after years of feverish study" which implies the scientists worked actively for years after they woke up.  Here's the vid I had for reference:    and also here  

That actually strengthens my point. The survivors on Ilos couldn't leave. They could only make that one-way trip to the Citadel once they finished the Conduit. So they had absolutely no way to find out about the indoctrination, or that anybody who was left would be a mindless zombie. They didn't send the message by going to the beacons: they probably had a means of transmission on Ilos itself (since the beacons are all interconnected). Vigil says that they didn't actually have much hope of anybody still being alive, but they had to try to send the message just in case someone did survive. So they definitely didn't know about the indoctrination when they sent it, and they wouldn't have had any way to find out afterwards.

Man, Vigil goes on for like 20 friggin minutes!

Yeah, that's always one of my dreaded moments when I replay ME1. It just goes onnnn and onnnnn...

I didn't mean that salarians don't feel attraction.  Obviously they do.  Consider that guy with his "daughter" on Ilium talking about buying fish.  I just mean I don't think they ever feel "horny."  I don't think they feel a physical impulse to have sex like we do. For one, I think fertilization of eggs with salarians may be external.  They are warm blooded amphibians and amphibians fertilize eggs by just dumping sperm over already laid eggs as fish do.  I think that thing in the bachelor party is just for lulz as they also say some other stuff about the asari I find really hard to believe.  I think the devs are making cracks at their own game there.  Consider the "lack of turian females" and them making fun of how the asari look just like blue humans.

I agree with the external fertilization part, but Mordin himself admits to feeling confused around asari, so it's not just the bachelor party that shows that they're capable of feeling arousal (and I agree that some of the dialogue for the bachelor party sounds very auto-derisive). I just think that it's not as intense as it would be in other species and it also wears off a lot more quickly.

Also, I must correct an earlier statement: it's not Mordin who explains about sex drives, it's the bachelor party salarian.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 06 août 2010 - 11:31 .

[Xsause]

Has the conversation about salarian reproduction transfered from my thread over in the group to here?

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I didn't mean that salarians don't feel attraction.  Obviously they do.  Consider that guy with his "daughter" on Ilium talking about buying fish.  I just mean I don't think they ever feel "horny."  I don't think they feel a physical impulse to have sex like we do. For one, I think fertilization of eggs with salarians may be external.  They are warm blooded amphibians and amphibians fertilize eggs by just dumping sperm over already laid eggs as fish do.  I think that thing in the bachelor party is just for lulz as they also say some other stuff about the asari I find really hard to believe.  I think the devs are making cracks at their own game there.  Consider the "lack of turian females" and them making fun of how the asari look just like blue humans.

I agree with the external fertilization part, but Mordin himself admits to feeling confused around asari, so it's not just the bachelor party that shows that they're capable of feeling arousal (and I agree that some of the dialogue for the bachelor party sounds very auto-derisive). I just think that it's not as intense as it would be in other species and it also wears off a lot more quickly.

Also, I must correct an earlier statement: it's not Mordin who explains about sex drives, it's the bachelor party salarian.

Mordin also explains it; you just have to wait with romancing anybody until the "birds and the bees" conversation. So you aren't wrong. Mordin mentions a lot of non-salarians hitting on him, but that he only really felt uncomfortable/interested around asari, again suggesting that they manipulate everyone's mind to see them as attractive (I still don't buy that). He also says that he felt the same kind of uncomfortableness during his fertility contract negotiations - which could mean that salarians also have a certain kind of attraction to the male/female they "spawn" with, but only until after the child is born. Afterwards, they each go their own way, only keeping a friendly relationship.

With the way it's worded in the Codex, I think we can be pretty sure that fertilization happens externally - the male deposits sperm over already laid eggs. A few salarians do have sex, but only with other species ("Subset of krogan sexual deviants enjoy salarian flexibility.") and rather out of curiosity than out of horniness (Mordin's "If intended to try human, would try you" sounds more like "If I ever need you for a scientific experiment, I'll let you know" than anything). They do have a state of arousal, they just don't really feel the need to do anything about it, because of their small sex drive.

Sorry if I'm repeating something you've already discussed. I suck at walls of text. Though this may be my first serious post in AGES.

Modifié par Xsause, 06 août 2010 - 12:17 .

[Titanium Man]

I really do not want to imagine Mordin depositing anything onto anything.